Recruiting Momentum

[Walking Boot of Doom 18,170]

Can we please stop with the same old, tired, anti-Crean, recruiting sucks threads? They were understandable in the offseason when there was nothing to talk about, but we are currently 1) ranked (for now) 2) tied for second in the B1G

Barring a massive collapse, this team will be in the tournament, and should be ready to make a splash. Whatever you think of the coach, recruiting, the defense, the weather, does not matter. The season has gone well so far, and has plenty of potential to be even better (or worse, that is always a possibility). But let's talk about the season. Not the offseason and speculation crap.

[mdn82 25,501]

WOW. Some names on there I'd forgot about. Anyway my question, before I was attacked by a moderator, is why so many have passed?

So by me saying you hate Crean I was attacking? You don't hate Crean or post your feelings at every thought you have on the man? Damn some of you guys need to grow a pair if you are going to post something you are aiming to get a response on and actually do. Yes that is me attacking your fortitude. You are lacking if you can't objectively look at what I said and respond. I will gladly let you respond to this without any concerns of backlash. Grow a pair with some facts for God sake. Do you really feel every player Wayne listed is a miss? Do you really feel that isn't the norm for all coaches? Please enlighten me with facts. Not hatred toward the man. His coaching sucks half of the time. Yes it does. Our defensive preparation sucks this year. We have outplayed expectations by adjusting the talent we currently have. There was an objective response. Do you have the ability to do the same? I have been a mod for years and I can honestly say I highly doubt it...

[mdn82 25,501]

Who said anything about every kid? One or two off that list changes everything.

Again every coach feels that way outside of Calipari and K.

[GloryDays 5,913]

The only players I truly wished we got that we missed on were Gant and Morgan.

Would have been nice to have Goodluck Okonoboh on this roster.

[Alford Bailey 12,302]

Guys, look at that list. You can add Ryan Anderson, Jalen Coleman and Luke if you want to. The system is supposed to be fun, run and gun, up and down the court.....what kids these days want. Kids should be lining up to play in Assembly Hall in that type of system........and they aren't.

[MikeRoberts 6,877]

I don't think there is any confusion here... We have certainly lost recruiting momentum. We have been unable to land a quality big and pg in 2014 and 2015. We have glaring holes that are handicapping us yet we cannot for the life of us fill those voids. It makes no sense but that is the truth.

[Alford Bailey 12,302]

Can we please stop with the same old, tired, anti-Crean, recruiting sucks threads? They were understandable in the offseason when there was nothing to talk about, but we are currently 1) ranked (for now) 2) tied for second in the B1G

Barring a massive collapse, this team will be in the tournament, and should be ready to make a splash. Whatever you think of the coach, recruiting, the defense, the weather, does not matter. The season has gone well so far, and has plenty of potential to be even better (or worse, that is always a possibility). But let's talk about the season. Not the offseason and speculation crap.

Recruiting is ALWAYS relevant.

[WayneFleekHoosier 47,515]

I'm truly amazed at the contrary viewpoint. My point isn't "Crean sucks, Crean sucks". Rather my point is what is wrong? What's broken? What's changed? Crean was getting the big fish before. He isn't now. It's brutally visible, to deny it is just sticking your head in sand.

It's a major concern and talking point and worthy of a thread.

The whole "fact" argument is ridiculous. I've brought facts to these concerns all along. That list is fact!

[Alford Bailey 12,302]

So by me saying you hate Crean I was attacking? You don't hate Crean or post your feelings at every thought you have on the man? Damn some of you guys need to grow a pair if you are going to post something you are aiming to get a response on and actually do. Yes that is me attacking your fortitude. You are lacking if you can't objectively look at what I said and respond. I will gladly let you respond to this without any concerns of backlash. Grow a pair with some facts for God sake. Do you really feel every player Wayne listed is a miss? Do you really feel that isn't the norm for all coaches? Please enlighten me with facts. Not hatred toward the man. His coaching sucks half of the time. Yes it does. Our defensive preparation sucks this year. We have outplayed expectations by adjusting the talent we currently have. There was an objective response. Do you have the ability to do the same? I have been a mod for years and I can honestly say I highly doubt it...

Your original post was nothing more than drama and not objective as my question was WHY are we missing on so many of these kids not whether or not I thought Crean was the devil (full disclosure I dont think Crean is a devil). Yes, I would expect a more reasonable response from a representative of this site. 

[Hovadipo 53,982]

I'm truly amazed at the contrary viewpoint. My point isn't "Crean sucks, Crean sucks". Rather my point is what is wrong? What's broken? What's changed? Crean was getting the big fish before. He isn't now. It's brutally visible, to deny it is just sticking your head in sand.

It's a major concern and talking point and worthy of a thread.

The whole "fact" argument is ridiculous. I've brought facts to these concerns all along. That list is fact!

Your point in this post is fine. It's that you keep crapping on Crean in EVERY. SINGLE. POST. No one wants to see that. It's been like this for the past week. Every post is a shot at Crean.

[WayneFleekHoosier 47,515]

Recruiting is ALWAYS relevant.

it is the lifeblood of a program. Ask ANY coach. It's a year long process. And is on going currently for 15, 16, 17, 18.


Add Leaf to the list too, why not! His dad loves IU remember? Let's not pass this off as anti Crean, IT's Anti-Results!

[Alford Bailey 12,302]

Zimmerman

[Alford Bailey 12,302]

We are missing. I want to know what both sides think about WHY we are missing.

[Walking Boot of Doom 18,170]

Theo Pinson - similar to TW and now injured
Trey Lyles - great player, but sounds like his looney dad killed it for us
Isaiah Whitehead - great player, sucks he decided to stay home
Devin Robinson - could be a really good 2-3 year player, not really ready to contribute as much this year
Dwayne Morgan - no idea what he's been up to, but his stats show a player with little contribution and lots of turnovers
Goodluck Okonoboh - this is the one I was most bummed about. Seemed like we had him in the bag. Could be an elite rim protector
Leron Black - solid player. Another Hartman/DD sized player. He didn't seem to be much of a post presence when we played them
Dion Wiley - another guard that didn't fill a need
Jakeenan Gant - never decommited from Mizzou. This isn't really a miss. Also, he was arrested over the summer for assault.
Ahmed Hill - another guard. Didn't fill a need.
Chinanu Onauku - looks like he could do real well at UofL.
Phil Booth - 6'2" guard. No need
Marvin Clark - Izzo will make him a solid player in a few years
Tum Tum Nairn - tiny guard. real fast. No need
Donovan Mitchell - electric player, but we still have no need for more guards
Jalen Coleman - would have been an awesome predecessor to yogi. Not sure he wanted to sit on the bench his first year waiting for yogi to leave.
Malachi Richardson - lost out to Cuse
Jaquan Lyle - red flags everywhere. Don't care about what people on our team have done, we don't need to feed the fire
Ray Spalding - missed. Probably will do well under Pitino
Daniel Giddens - missed. Went to Thad's Center for Centers
Jimmy Whitt - decent point guard. Not sure if he's the one to take over for yogi. I'd rather see RoJo over a new kid
Matt McQuaid - Midsize shooter. We've got enough
Bryant Crawford - no idea what happened there. We lost him with Kenny and Kenny lost him when he left us
Shake Milton - interested to see how the SMU investigation plays out. Sounds like his personal life required him to be close to home
Kenny Williams - an athletic guard that we don't need (went VCU, thanks for the edit Noah)
Eron Harris - very good player. But still a guard. Probably good enough to take regardless, but there is much more space for him at MSU
Trevor Thompson - no idea what to think of this kid. We'll see
Anthony Lee - what a great miss by us. Not impressed by his play

[mdn82 25,501]

Your original post was nothing more than drama and not objective as my question was WHY are we missing on so many of these kids not whether or not I thought Crean was the devil (full disclosure I dont think Crean is a devil). Yes, I would expect a more reasonable response from a representative of this site.

Kenny Johnson.

[Walking Boot of Doom 18,170]

Recruiting is ALWAYS relevant.

That is true. I just know what this will devolve into...

[NoahW35 459]

^ didn't Kenny Williams commit to VCU not UNC?

[WayneFleekHoosier 47,515]

Your point in this post is fine. It's that you keep crapping on Crean in EVERY. SINGLE. POST. No one wants to see that. It's been like this for the past week. Every post is a shot at Crean.

All fair, objective, accurate?

To me this recruiting concern is not Crean bashing. Maybe there is other reasons for the misses. If so, what are they?

And why do people get so bent out of shape when discussing Crean's faults? I don't get it. I would understand if they weren't factual but MOST of the Crean concerns are mired in fact.

The recruiting dilemma is conjecture at this point but the concerns are valid.

[Alford Bailey 12,302]

Kenny Johnson.

Ok, so you think KJ was a big loss. I could certainly buy that.

[Walking Boot of Doom 18,170]

^ didn't Kenny Williams commit to VCU not UNC?

Thanks, that was a surprise last minute flip from what the talk was. I have no idea what happened with him then.