Anunoby and Morgan

[JSHoosier 20,317]

He was asked about the oversign and its affect on the 4 year guaranteed scholarship granted by the new Bill of Rights. 

 

He said as he always does, "things work themselves out".

 

This has indeed proven to be true.  The mode in which it does has been a hot topic and I don't exactly know where I stand on it. 

"Things work themselves out".  Well yeah, there is literally no other option.  Scholarship limit is 13, sign more players than spots and by rule something has to happen.

[Geometry Hoosier 1,151]

As I watch this years team, I sometimes wonder who won't be back. I would have to guess, some on the team are wondering this too.

[shortspacequickness 1,034]

How long does he get to rebuild a team though?  We can agree last season was unacceptable correct?  I mean on and off the court was just not Indiana basketball.  So now this past offseason we had some more "slip ups" off the court. 
 
I really want coach to succeed here because I think he is a great representative of the program WHEN he does what he knows he should do.  In the 2011-13 seasons we played some good ball and the stats reflected that.  I do wish he was able to adjust more both in game and dealing with players.  I think it's possible to change but will he?

That's the question. Last season--unacceptable isn't even the word. Imo Crean should at least get next season. You can't expect a coach to take you to the Final Four without considering the context. Well, you can; but it'd be stupid. It isn't "just that easy" like some seem to think re: Stevens/IU

You can't say Crean has had 2 teams in 7 years when the first 3 weren't legitimate. That is the unfair framing I often reference. I'm all for accountability but let's not be fools. I think it would be a mistake to run Tom Crean out at this juncture. In two years it might be a different conversation.

People point to the off court stuff like this is being condoned or allowed to happen. He has to cut the dead weight. He can't be afraid to kick guys like Troy and Stan out. From what I've heard, I don't see either being back. So I don't agree with how he handled some aspects but I have also seen first hand what kind of "culture" (the ultimate buzzword) he creates.

Guys like Blackmon and Johnson are his kind. So are the 2015s. He caved to talent in 2012/2013... Which is why I laugh when people demand better recruits or "higher level." Talent corrupts. Coach got away from his eye and gut. Seems he is trending back that way and against the name guys.

And the fact that anyone says he isn't good enough to be the IU coach or doesn't get IU... Unbelievable. No one hurt worse than Crean. Nobody.

[FKfootball 1,046]

Crean is the worst coach, in the Big Ten. Without Zeller he would have already been fired.

[MartintheMopMan 7,765]

That's the question. Last season--unacceptable isn't even the word. Imo Crean should at least get next season. You can't expect a coach to take you to the Final Four without considering the context. Well, you can; but it'd be stupid. It isn't "just that easy" like some seem to think re: Stevens/IU

You can't say Crean has had 2 teams in 7 years when the first 3 weren't legitimate. That is the unfair framing I often reference. I'm all for accountability but let's not be fools. I think it would be a mistake to run Tom Crean out at this juncture. In two years it might be a different conversation.

People point to the off court stuff like this is being condoned or allowed to happen. He has to cut the dead weight. He can't be afraid to kick guys like Troy and Stan out. From what I've heard, I don't see either being back. So I don't agree with how he handled some aspects but I have also seen first hand what kind of "culture" (the ultimate buzzword) he creates.

Guys like Blackmon and Johnson are his kind. So are the 2015s. He caved to talent in 2012/2013... Which is why I laugh when people demand better recruits or "higher level." Talent corrupts. Coach got away from his eye and gut. Seems he is trending back that way and against the name guys.

And the fact that anyone says he isn't good enough to be the IU coach or doesn't get IU... Unbelievable. No one hurt worse than Crean. Nobody.

TWO MORE?!? We have to miss the tourney four years in a row for you to be satisfied?!??

[Walking Boot of Doom 18,170]

That's the question. Last season--unacceptable isn't even the word. Imo Crean should at least get next season. You can't expect a coach to take you to the Final Four without considering the context. Well, you can; but it'd be stupid. It isn't "just that easy" like some seem to think re: Stevens/IU

You can't say Crean has had 2 teams in 7 years when the first 3 weren't legitimate. That is the unfair framing I often reference. I'm all for accountability but let's not be fools. I think it would be a mistake to run Tom Crean out at this juncture. In two years it might be a different conversation.

People point to the off court stuff like this is being condoned or allowed to happen. He has to cut the dead weight. He can't be afraid to kick guys like Troy and Stan out. From what I've heard, I don't see either being back. So I don't agree with how he handled some aspects but I have also seen first hand what kind of "culture" (the ultimate buzzword) he creates.

Guys like Blackmon and Johnson are his kind. So are the 2015s. He caved to talent in 2012/2013... Which is why I laugh when people demand better recruits or "higher level." Talent corrupts. Coach got away from his eye and gut. Seems he is trending back that way and against the name guys.

And the fact that anyone says he isn't good enough to be the IU coach or doesn't get IU... Unbelievable. No one hurt worse than Crean. Nobody.

From what I've seen, Crean is progressing. Like you said, he's gotten back to recruiting his kind of player, and his in game coaching and decision making has definitely improved. He's not a great coach, so games like EWU will happen. But he's also good enough to beat ranked teams.

[JSHoosier 20,317]

TWO MORE?!? We have to miss the tourney four years in a row for you to be satisfied?!??

Even I'll admit we wouldn't miss the tournament 4 years in a row.  Last season was unacceptable, mediocre is being far to generous (and not an accurate description, considering the definition of mediocre) it was a complete dumpster fire.  IF we manage to make the tournament this season, which is hardly a certainty, the absolute best I'd say would be give him one season as a "prove it" where he actually has to do something.

 

Considering the off court issues, and the "do it again and you'll stand in a corner" he gave Stan and Troy, I'm not convinced he should get next season.

[shortspacequickness 1,034]

TWO MORE?!? We have to miss the tourney four years in a row for you to be satisfied?!??

Uh, no... I think IU will make the tournament this year. Say they don't, it might be hard to bring him back but I'd bet he would be. They can't miss 3 in a row. Not sure how you got 4 out of that.

You don't fire a coach because of one terrible season. Last season was terrible by the standards of IU fans, but it's kind of funny that team won that many games considering the selfishness of certain players some of whom are gone and some who remain.

The lack of patience is understandable. I'm just glad you guys aren't running things. Commitment matters. See this through... You might think you already know Crean is a "fraud" or a "phony" or a "used car salesman" but funny how you weren't saying that a couple years ago... the debate over coaching things are so petty. A coach is at the mercy of his players performance. Which he is responsible for, but it is not a linear process like so many treat it. Crean could make brilliant move after brilliant move but it won't matter if Troy only cares about him.

Just stuff to think about. Not saying I'm right. Just my stance at this point. And FWIW when I say "you" just being general not addressing anyone specifically.

[MartintheMopMan 7,765]

Uh, no... I think IU will make the tournament this year. Say they don't, it might be hard to bring him back but I'd bet he would be. They can't miss 3 in a row. Not sure how you got 4 out of that.

You don't fire a coach because of one terrible season. Last season was terrible by the standards of IU fans, but it's kind of funny that team won that many games considering the selfishness of certain players some of whom are gone and some who remain.

The lack of patience is understandable. I'm just glad you guys aren't running things. Commitment matters. See this through... You might think you already know Crean is a "fraud" or a "phony" or a "used car salesman" but funny how you weren't saying that a couple years ago... the debate over coaching things are so petty. A coach is at the mercy of his players performance. Which he is responsible for, but it is not a linear process like so many treat it. Crean could make brilliant move after brilliant move but it won't matter if Troy only cares about him.

Just stuff to think about. Not saying I'm right. Just my stance at this point. And FWIW when I say "you" just being general not addressing anyone specifically.

I got four because you seemed to be giving him two more bad years. Those are really bad years. I was curious what you considered unacceptable. If we miss the tourney again then everyone else is done I think. And that's the picture many of us have for this season if we play D like we did these last two games.

[shortspacequickness 1,034]

I got four because you seemed to be giving him two more bad years. Those are really bad years. I was curious what you considered unacceptable. If we miss the tourney again then everyone else is done I think. And that's the picture many of us have for this season if we play D like we did these last two games.

IMO: it is hard to say what's unacceptable. It's complex. He's the HPM in IN. Ha. Yet I can see how another coach could take it to another level. I just don't see who that's going to be...If they miss the tournament this year I would not be opposed to a change if you there is a coach in place. Remains to be seen what Glass does in football re: honoring contracts, but it's gonna be hard to bring Crean back if they miss the tournament this year.

 

And yes it would be a long year if that kind of play continued. There is no question that without an inside game IU is going to be up and down and likely on the bubble. At least from what we've seen so far. Unfortunately Butler, Pitt seem like possible losses and Louisville, Georgetown seem like likely losses. Then to Nebraska and MSU. I hate Crean's soft schedule.

[OliviaPope40 6,556]

Crean is the worst coach, in the Big Ten. Without Zeller he would have already been fired.

And either Butler or UNC would have gotten a title.

[rebelhoosier848891 9,588]

Back on topic this Thanksgiving-----thankful that Anunoby and Morgan are Hoosiers!

[WayneFleekHoosier 48,520]

@JeffRabjohns: Indiana recruits @OAnunoby, @juwanmorgan23 both had strong games last night. http://t.co/xLCT12Wnf8 #iubb http://t.co/CGP3lA1VBS

Can anyone provide more info?

Edit: paywall

[NoahW35 459]

Can anyone provide more info?

Saw that OG had 27 and Morgan had 14

[chitown hoosier 743]

OG looks like he can be a VO type for us which I'm excited about.

http://m.newstribune.com/news/2014/dec/05/anunoby-shines-jays-roll-past-tigers/?templates=mobile#.VIHWsiZOKJI

[ALASKA HOOSIER 11,276]

I'm getting excited to see these guys earn their candy stripes! AND i'll get to see them in Maui! BOOM!!!

[Candystriped 67]

As I watch this years team, I sometimes wonder who won't be back. I would have to guess, some on the team are wondering this too.

Pretty easy, the players who don't play much will most likely be the ones who transfer out

[GloryDays 5,920]

    On OG ---   This is the part of the article that stood out to me. This was his coach speaking.

 

“The amount of area he covers defensively is really impressive,” Thompson said. “Guys don’t see him, and then there he is in the passing lane. It’s what makes him a good player — he’s got instincts and the tools to go with it.”

 

I love to hear that about a high schooler.Likes to play D.

[rebelhoosier848891 9,588]

I think OG will shoot up the rankings this year.

 

Even if he doesn't---if you watch his clips and video----he is oladipo-ish in athleticism and appears to be a better shooter already than when Vic came to IU---something to work with!

[MikeRoberts 7,057]

I've said it before but I don't see the athleticism. I've seen several highlight videos and I would never say, wow is that kid athletic. What am I missing?


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