College Bball Thread

[maharkn]

Classless and stupid thing to do, but arresting him is equally stupid. Charging a player with a crime for assault based on spitting is flat out idiotic. 

I assume before covid it wouldn't have been a big deal but with covid I'm sure that why it was handled that way. I would assume if the person who got spit on was to get covid it could get a lot worse

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[Class of '66 Old Fart]

5 minutes ago, maharkn said:

I assume before covid it wouldn't have been a big deal but with covid I'm sure that why it was handled that way. I would assume if the person who got spit on was to get covid it could get a lot worse

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I would agree that the pandemic was a major factor but also what if it had been someone like the king of STD's Isaac Haas?

[Hovadipo]

I’d rather get sucker punched than spit on before or after the pandemic. I’ve just never understood why that’s a reaction for some. 

[Hovadipo]

27 minutes ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

the king of STD's Isaac Haas?

You know, Isaac Haas had some real Cockburn to his game…
 

…he and Kofi kind of have a similar playing style too. 

[HoosierHoops1]

39 minutes ago, Hovadipo said:

I’d rather get sucker punched than spit on before or after the pandemic. I’ve just never understood why that’s a reaction for some. 

Me either, but being that you'd rather not have that happen; that could be the impetus.

[HoosierHoopster]

1 hour ago, maharkn said:

I assume before covid it wouldn't have been a big deal but with covid I'm sure that why it was handled that way. I would assume if the person who got spit on was to get covid it could get a lot worse

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it doesn't change the nature of a criminal charge. Again, classless and stupid, but unless you know he has covid and then spits on someone, you don't have a legit basis to charge a player with a crime. This is not a matter for cops. This is a team-university thing, not a cop thing

[Chips&Dipo]

2 hours ago, HoosierHoopster said:

it doesn't change the nature of a criminal charge. Again, classless and stupid, but unless you know he has covid and then spits on someone, you don't have a legit basis to charge a player with a crime. This is not a matter for cops. This is a team-university thing, not a cop thing

It has been a few years since I have done anything in the criminal law sphere, but there is actually a charge for battery with bodily fluid, which would include spit. When I worked in a prosecutor's office almost ten years ago as an intern, it was a reoccurring charge that you would see. 

[Stuhoo]

2 hours ago, HoosierHoopster said:

it doesn't change the nature of a criminal charge. Again, classless and stupid, but unless you know he has covid and then spits on someone, you don't have a legit basis to charge a player with a crime. This is not a matter for cops. This is a team-university thing, not a cop thing

I would adjust that slightly:

1. They absolutely had a 'legit', statutorily-supported basis to charge.
2. Whether discretion should have been used is a completely different matter, and I tend to agree with your conclusion on that one.

Good policing for me would have been the officers meeting with the player and his coach, and letting him know that if there was ever another incident like that again he would be charged. Way better than sticking a misdemeanor criminal record on a very frustrated 19 year old who was being taunted by 16,000 people.

[HoosierHoopster]

2 hours ago, Chips&Dipo said:

It has been a few years since I have done anything in the criminal law sphere, but there is actually a charge for battery with bodily fluid, which would include spit. When I worked in a prosecutor's office almost ten years ago as an intern, it was a reoccurring charge that you would see. 

I’m a lawyer. It’s not a charge that should be brought, period. You can pull up a criminal statute on almost anything (hey, let’s charge jaywalkers with a crime!). 
You don’t arrest and charge a college kid in a basketball game for spitting, you don’t screw with a kid’s life, with a criminal charge, over something like this. It’s exceptionally stupid, and an absolute abuse of “discretion.” The almost certain result is that no prosecutor will pursue this idiotic charge, but now the kid has an arrest record. Just stupid

[Class of '66 Old Fart]

Geez!  I'm sorry I ever posted the original story.  Nothing's going to happen.  It's going to disappear into Neverland.

[HoosierHoopster]

2 minutes ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

Geez!  I'm sorry I ever posted the original story.  Nothing's going to happen.  It's going to disappear into Neverland.

It is, it’s just that it’s so stupid. So I feel pretty strongly about this lol

[Stuhoo]

23 minutes ago, HoosierHoopster said:

It is, it’s just that it’s so stupid. So I feel pretty strongly about this lol

I agree.

If law enforcement wants to get communities behind them, they shouldn’t be sticking criminal charges on young people without a damn good reason.

And I’m a lawyer who had a long law enforcement career.

[RaceToTheTop]

7 hours ago, Hovadipo said:

I’d rather get sucker punched than spit on before or after the pandemic. I’ve just never understood why that’s a reaction for some. 

It's really not an either/or situation.

In any case, spitting was criminal assault (don't know all states, but it was in California) well before the pandemic.  https://www.reuters.com/article/us-crime-spitting/yes-spitting-in-the-face-is-crime-court-rules-idUSN0727718920070309

[RaceToTheTop]

Not a ton of meaningful games on tonight.  

St.Bonaventure/Richmond a very fringe-ly important game.

Creighton at Seton Hall (did not start well for Creighton, Seton Hall up 16-3.

San Diego St at Colorado St starting on FS1 in about an hour and a half.....that's one I'll likely tune in to.

[Uspshoosier]

Richmond up 3 with 7 min to go.    St Bonaventure needs this one 

[Uspshoosier]

10 minutes ago, brumdog45 said:

Not a ton of meaningful games on tonight.  

St.Bonaventure/Richmond a very fringe-ly important game.

Creighton at Seton Hall (did not start well for Creighton, Seton Hall up 16-3.

San Diego St at Colorado St starting on FS1 in about an hour and a half.....that's one I'll likely tune in to.

Not getting any better for Creighton.  Down 23-5

[johnsoniu]

SD St/Colorado St will be a great game, love the MWC.

Also, Toledo/Ball St on the U at 9. Toledo is good, whoever wins the MAC between them and Ohio has a chance to bust some brackets


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[Uspshoosier]

1 minute ago, johnsoniu said:

SD St/Colorado St will be a great game, love the MWC.

Also, Toledo/Ball St on the U at 9. Toledo is good, whoever wins the MAC between them and Ohio has a chance to bust some brackets


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Is it too much to ask for Toledo/Ohio in the MAC tournament final?    I want that game during champ week 

[Uspshoosier]

Pitino coaching in the MAAC is just unfair. Iona up 20 at Canisius.  Iona looking to go 11-0 in conference 

[lillurk]

Hoop Vision content is always great. IU switches quite a bit now, and almost everything in late-clock situations (think of TJD shadowing Ivey on the sideline out of bounds play near the end of the Purdue game).