College Bball Thread

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Just now, Hoosier DaDa said:

Sure did should of been shooting 3

Refs always wait until the end to swallow the whistle. They call that 5 minutes into the game.

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1 minute ago, str8baller said:

That's their offense though.  It's honestly why I like guys like Schertz and oats but truly prefer an excellent traditional coach with a motion type offense. You didn't really need 3's there. A manufactured two would've probably won them the game. 

Yeah, totally agree. I get that it's their offense but you've got to have better situational awareness/discipline as a player to understand with a 3 point lead and 22 seconds on the shot clock with a 1:20 left in the game, that the clock is your friend, and work for a better look (manufactured two ideally) or at least get the same shot with less time on the clock by moving the ball. It could have been a dagger but it also completely flipped the game on it's head. 6 point swing. You could see the disappointment on his face at the end sadly

[Golfman25 5,200]

4 minutes ago, str8baller said:

That's their offense though.  It's honestly why I like guys like Schertz and oats but truly prefer an excellent traditional coach with a motion type offense. You didn't really need 3's there. A manufactured two would've probably won them the game. 

That's just it.  Up with two min left, have to focus on good quality shots rather than the stats.  Those missed threes early in the shot clock are killers.  Coach needs to make that adjustment to his offense.  I think a similar thing happened in the MVC tourney.  

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Absolutely fantastic game.

Two teams that deserved to be in the big dance. 

Two great seasons regardless of tonight's outcome. 

Nice to see Shaheen pick Avila's chin up at the end there in the handshake line.

[str8baller 5,170]

2 minutes ago, Home Jersey said:

Yeah, totally agree. I get that it's their offense but you've got to have better situational awareness/discipline as a player to understand with a 3 point lead and 22 seconds on the shot clock with a 1:20 left in the game, that the clock is your friend, and work for a better look (manufactured two ideally) or at least get the same shot with less time on the clock by moving the ball. It could have been a dagger but it also completely flipped the game on it's head. 6 point swing. You could see the disappointment on his face at the end sadly

 

1 minute ago, Golfman25 said:

That's just it.  Up with two min left, have to focus on good quality shots rather than the stats.  Those missed threes early in the shot clock are killers.  Coach needs to make that adjustment to his offense.  I think a similar thing happened in the MVC tourney.  

Can't really change who you are with 2min in the season left. Space and open 3's drive those offenses and the analytics don't really tell you to pass up open 3's from good shooters.  They were basically the same shots that put them up 7 with 3 to go.  

 

That's not to say I disagree with you guys.  My previous post made that clear I hope. But all those shot charts of Alabama that show literally only 3's and layups attempted don't happen by accident.  It's what the players are taught to hunt all season. 

 

Great game. Sad for the trees fans. Still a good story.

[Hoosier DaDa 2,255]

11 minutes ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

Refs always wait until the end to swallow the whistle. They call that 5 minutes into the game.

If it’s a foul in the first 5 seconds of a game it’s a foul the last 5 as well.

[pappy1865 2,202]

I thought for as rough a night Conwell had that last shot was money. Hell of a season but crappy way to end it! Now we play the waiting game.

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I was watching the game and got a call with Indiana State up 77-70.  Mid call I looked and saw that Seton Hall had won 79-77.  Worse was that I couldn't even rewind on youtube tv because it had switched to the slam dunk program.

What happened??

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16 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

I was watching the game and got a call with Indiana State up 77-70.  Mid call I looked and saw that Seton Hall had won 79-77.  Worse was that I couldn't even rewind on youtube tv because it had switched to the slam dunk program.

What happened??

Dawes hit a couple of threes and ISU missed a couple of wide open threes, Davis went to the basket strong to give them the lead!

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Around 2:57 to go in the game it was 77-70.  Indiana State had just made back to back 3 balls.  
Seton Hall called T.O.  Coach Swertz should have had team to milk clock and go to the bucket for layup or kick out for 3 ball.  Instead Indiana State simply came down and shot 3 ball way to early in shot clock and did not score and was out scored 9-0 to end the game.

[WayneFleekHoosier 48,153]

Both respectable coaches.

 

That 3 attempt up 77-70 with 16 left on the shot clock turned the tide. Not saying they couldnt or shouldn’t have overcame it, but I had the feeling as soon as he clanked it, it might go that way as the basketball gods punishing a low IQ play.

 

Great run by a fun team. Shame they didn’t finish. But respect either way.

 

 

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I was at the game. If any of those last 3 three-point shots had gone in, there definitely would've been a court storming.

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[Golfman25 5,200]

1 hour ago, str8baller said:

 

Can't really change who you are with 2min in the season left. Space and open 3's drive those offenses and the analytics don't really tell you to pass up open 3's from good shooters.  They were basically the same shots that put them up 7 with 3 to go.  

 

That's not to say I disagree with you guys.  My previous post made that clear I hope. But all those shot charts of Alabama that show literally only 3's and layups attempted don't happen by accident.  It's what the players are taught to hunt all season. 

 

Great game. Sad for the trees fans. Still a good story.

That’s the problem with the “money ball” stats game.  Over a large sample size it “works.”  But every possession is independent and IQ/talent will win when it counts.  You need to do both. Adjust at the end — either a layup anytime or a three with less than 5 on the clock.  Otherwise you’ll win 30 some games, but loose the last one.    

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58 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Every IU fan for the last 20 years!

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Pain. 

Hinkle is alright overall, but astonishingly loud. My word. 

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5 hours ago, Golfman25 said:

That’s the problem with the “money ball” stats game.  Over a large sample size it “works.”  But every possession is independent and IQ/talent will win when it counts.  You need to do both. Adjust at the end — either a layup anytime or a three with less than 5 on the clock.  Otherwise you’ll win 30 some games, but loose the last one.    

You do realize that over 99% of all division 1 teams lose their last game of the season?

Indiana State didn’t lose because of any ‘analytics’ reason.  They lost because they had 77 points and Seton Hall had 79 at the end of the game.

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2 hours ago, RaceToTheTop said:

You do realize that over 99% of all division 1 teams lose their last game of the season?

Indiana State didn’t lose because of any ‘analytics’ reason.  They lost because they had 77 points and Seton Hall had 79 at the end of the game.

Well that’s kind of a simplistic analysis.  How did they get there — missed threes early in the shot clock.  That is the equivalent of a turnover.  That gave SH the time to score those last 9 points.  With time winding down, a 50-60% layup is a better shot than a 30-40% three.  

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Up 7. Milk the clock. Get something going towards basket and either layup (force ref to make a call) or kick out for mid range or 3 ball on closing possessions. Clock was becoming your friend.  Has nothing to do with changing who you are. Indiana State has done that before.  Taking 3 ball shots early in clock at that point in game = turnovers.  However, excellent game by both teams and great season for Indiana State.

(overall Seton Hall controlled the game just a bit more than in a home crowd Indiana State and physically a little better team)

[Alford Bailey 12,373]

Poor game management/ low IQ basketball there at the end. Still had a chance but the last possession was just awful.