College Bball Thread

[Str8Hoosiers]

The NCAA should not be the Morality police.... the press conference she stated it wasn't about the money but the acts and how dirty it was.... That is out of their scope in my opinion.

The punishment for that part is Bad press, people always being able to hold that against them etc... I don't believe the NCAA has any right to use those specifics in its judgement or its case...

[Brass Cannon]

1 minute ago, Str8Hoosiers said:

The NCAA should not be the Morality police.... the press conference she stated it wasn't about the money but the acts and how dirty it was.... That is out of their scope in my opinion.

The punishment for that part is Bad press, people always being able to hold that against them etc... I don't believe the NCAA has any right to use those specifics in its judgement or its case...

It seems not about morality. It's about legality  

[Str8Hoosiers]

7 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

It seems not about morality. It's about legality  

Nothing illegal about having strippers.....

Pay for Sex is different but I am not sure that was ever proven (was it?)

 

And in my opinion Legality is still not in the NCAA's discretion.... If it is a legal issue get police involved, have an investigation done, McGee, the women, the players, anybody who was involved can go to jail or whatever the punishment is for prostitution and/or soliciting prostitution.

The NCAA should only be concerned about the NCAA rules, which money to players/recruits falls into but not what they do with that money... Should there be a difference in the NCAA eyes if money is given to players and they go buy drugs, strippers, cars, or video game systems? NO, they got the money or the gifts... it shouldn't matter in the NCAA eyes what the money was used for.

[Stuhoo]

11 minutes ago, Str8Hoosiers said:

The NCAA should not be the Morality police.... the press conference she stated it wasn't about the money but the acts and how dirty it was.... That is out of their scope in my opinion.

The punishment for that part is Bad press, people always being able to hold that against them etc... I don't believe the NCAA has any right to use those specifics in its judgement or its case...

 

9 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

It seems not about morality. It's about legality  

 

I'm gonna disagree with both of you! 

1. It is not about legality in the strictest criminal sense. (I mean, yes, prostitution is illegal, but is a barely-punished misdemeanor for the John). More importantly, the NCAA is not a court of law with due process and everything that goes with it. Therefore, the NCAA has absolutely NO criminal legal recourse over its member institutions. 
2. On the other hand, as a private regulatory body that has member institutions which decide to join it, the NCAA is able to make moral and ethical judgments over those institutions, as long as their decisions are contractually supported and do not violate basic protected class parameters. If there are moral and ethical provisions that are contractually supported? They may punish at will in a contractually supported manner. 

 

[mdn82]

That is where the term Lack of Institutional Control is broad. The players and recruits received extra benefits. The coach involved would not speak to the NCAA. So essentially everything Ms. Powell said at that point is fact. When the NCAA doesn't get cooperation they have always come down notoriously hard when someone can halfway prove something. Yes they shouldn't have spoke on where the benefits went, but this was the right move imo.


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[Str8Hoosiers]

36 minutes ago, mdn82 said:

That is where the term Lack of Institutional Control is broad. The players and recruits received extra benefits. The coach involved would not speak to the NCAA. So essentially everything Ms. Powell said at that point is fact. When the NCAA doesn't get cooperation they have always come down notoriously hard when someone can halfway prove something. Yes they shouldn't have spoke on where the benefits went, but this was the right move imo.


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Well I hope that means UNC is gonna get nailed... because they are the dictionary example of not cooperating!

[reconmkd]

Man, just read Eric Crawford's tweet "I think you could title this passage from the final infractions report on Louisville basketball: "Why the NCAA is so ticked off""  All I can say is damn and why are those coaches not in jail for paying for hookers for a 16yo and 2 17 yos!

[ElectricBoogaloo]

3 hours ago, Hardwood83 said:

These penalties are better then I expected, but less then I hoped.

Vacating wins, meh. 5 game suspension? Meaningless. I wanted post-season bans and large scholarship cuts, THAT is punishment. Not the current kids fault? Sorry, stay out of the sewer and you won't get slimy. A coach pimping for players is disgusting and has to be punished. 

Vacating a banner if that includes all the wins in that period... The coach's suspension and scholarship losses are small fish when you vacate and entire championship.

http://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/count-on-it-ncaa-is-taking-down-louisvilles-2013-title-banner-is-unc-next/

[reconmkd]

Here is the release from the NCAA: http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/media-center/news/former-louisville-operations-director-acted-unethically-head-coach-failed-monitor

In regards to the scholly's:

A reduction in men’s basketball scholarships by two during the 2016-17 year (self-imposed by the university). Additionally, the university must reduce men’s basketball scholarships by four over the probation period. The university may take the reductions during any year of that period.

[HoosierAloha]

So they could maintain 13 scholarship players until the fourth year and then drop to 9 for a year? I wouldn't be surprised if that's around the time quick Rick bounces.

[Class of '66 Old Fart]

Holtmann already cleaning house at O$U

Ohio State redshirt freshman forward Derek Funderburk has been suspended by Chris Holtmann for "failure to meet team expectations.”

[WayneFleekHoosier]

Holtmann already cleaning house at O$U
Ohio State redshirt freshman forward Derek Funderburk has been suspended by Chris Holtmann for "failure to meet team expectations.”

Quite interesting.


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[hoosierbannerd]

Quite interesting.


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Is that Lawrence's son?

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[HoosierHoops1]

2 hours ago, hoosierbannerd said:

Is that Lawrence's son?

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He is not.

Strangely, Funderburk, Funderburke.

[HoosierHoops1]

3 hours ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

Holtmann already cleaning house at O$U

Ohio State redshirt freshman forward Derek Funderburk has been suspended by Chris Holtmann for "failure to meet team expectations.”

That probably means "I want to replace him with a better player"

[Brass Cannon]

16 minutes ago, HoosierHoops1 said:

That probably means "I want to replace him with a better player"

I doubt it. They have plenty of scholarships 

[HoosierHoops1]

3 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

I doubt it. They have plenty of scholarships 

You could be right.

We have plenty too, but few wanted to see Gelon tying one up for the next 3 years.

[Brass Cannon]

1 minute ago, HoosierHoops1 said:

You could be right.

We have plenty too, but few wanted to see Gelon tying one up for the next 3 years.

We have 1 now. None before Gelon left. They have several right now. 

[HoosierHoops1]

Right, that means still we don't have a need for it in 2017.

Not the same scenario, but both diff types of apples.

 

We'll find out what happens. I think he was red-shirted because it will really help his game, and maybe it was noticed that his game wasn't helped that much.  Maybe we'll find out his indiscretion.

[Brass Cannon]

7 minutes ago, HoosierHoops1 said:

Right, that means still we don't have a need for it in 2017.

Not the same scenario, but both diff types of apples.

 

We'll find out what happens. I think he was red-shirted because it will really help his game, and maybe it was noticed that his game wasn't helped that much.  Maybe we'll find out his indiscretion.

We are literally still recruiting for 2017