College Bball Thread

[WayneFleekHoosier 48,786]

They begged him to reclassify because they didn't have a point guard and they needed one.

Yes, but it was an emergency move and they bailed on him after 1 year. NCAA shouldn't be rent-a-point guard year by year. K then recruited over him immediately. K is wrong. He has had a terrible media relations year. Grayson tripping incidents, post game lie, and now a pretty obvious recruiting trick. He is virtually invincible though and this won't affect him much. I've lost some respect for him though.

[MadAboutIndiana 402]

Yes, but it was an emergency move and they bailed on him after 1 year. NCAA shouldn't be rent-a-point guard year by year. K then recruited over him immediately. K is wrong. He has had a terrible media relations year. Grayson tripping incidents, post game lie, and now a pretty obvious recruiting trick. He is virtually invincible though and this won't affect him much. I've lost some respect for him though.

You're 100% right that it won't affect his public image. Coach K is a fraud. We have to stop putting these folks on some kind of pedestal. Just look at Knight.

[Brass Cannon 24,955]

Seems like K is turning into Cal. "Why teach the kid and help him develop. I can just trade him in"

[KB0 827]

1 hour ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

They did him dirty. No doubt in my mind. It wouldn't have been a "fair" battle for PT. K begged him to reclassify because he had no stop gap for Tyus Jones. Then gave up on him. Dirty move.

Nope. They begged Thornton to stay at Duke but his dad didn't like how he was being used and was in his ear about it. Thornton wasn't 'forced out' either. They learned in January that he likely wasn't coming back and then they offered Jack White.

[WayneFleekHoosier 48,786]

Nope. They begged Thornton to stay at Duke but his dad didn't like how he was being used and was in his ear about it. Thornton wasn't 'forced out' either. They learned in January that he likely wasn't coming back and then they offered Jack White.

Not sure I buy this line but the Duke fans will. Either way you slice it, they recruited over him. Instead of developing him and sticking to their promises, they found a different player for the position they promised him. "Force" can be applied in a couple different ways.

[BlueDevil 8,827]

Not sure I buy this line but the Duke fans will. Either way you slice it, they recruited over him. Instead of developing him and sticking to their promises, they found a different player for the position they promised him. "Force" can be applied in a couple different ways.

If you read Brandon Ingram's NBA declaration letter, Coach K promises nothing. Duke begged him to stay and Thornton couldn't take the heat of Jackson coming in. Sure it's a messy situation and both parties may be at fault but it's not like they buried him on the bench. He averaged 26 minutes a game with plenty of starts and didn't live up to the hype. They did the same thing to Quinn Cook when they brought in Tyus Jones and look what happened to Quinn. He bought in and had a ridiculous senior year and was a huge factor leadership wise in winning a title. I know everyone wants to blame K but no one forced Derryck out. This was he and his family's decision.

[KB0 827]

38 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Not sure I buy this line but the Duke fans will. Either way you slice it, they recruited over him. Instead of developing him and sticking to their promises, they found a different player for the position they promised him. "Force" can be applied in a couple different ways.

How did they recruit over him though? Obi is about to retire because of chronic knee/back pain, so they'd have an open scholarship regardless. He was not forced out in any definition of the term. They do not have a PG on the roster or coming in. In fact they quit recruiting all 2017 PGs to show faith to him.

 

[mjtavier 169]

2 minutes ago, KB0 said:

How did they recruit over him though? Obi is about to retire because of chronic knee/back pain, so they'd have an open scholarship regardless. He was not forced out in any definition of the term. They do not have a PG on the roster or coming in. In fact they quit recruiting all 2017 PGs to show faith to him.

 

Frank Jackson will be the PG 

[Walking Boot of Doom 18,170]

27 minutes ago, BlueDevil2aHoosier said:

If you read Brandon Ingram's NBA declaration letter, Coach K promises nothing. Duke begged him to stay and Thornton couldn't take the heat of Jackson coming in. Sure it's a messy situation and both parties may be at fault but it's not like they buried him on the bench. He averaged 26 minutes a game with plenty of starts and didn't live up to the hype. They did the same thing to Quinn Cook when they brought in Tyus Jones and look what happened to Quinn. He bought in and had a ridiculous senior year and was a huge factor leadership wise in winning a title. I know everyone wants to blame K but no one forced Derryck out. This was he and his family's decision.

Duke also begged Thornton to reclassify so that they could have a PG this year. The family definitely should have done a better job evaluating his readiness for college, but this is definitely an issue with the one-and-done recruiting model. Even if someone doesn't perform their best in year one, there's already someone else coming in the next year to replace them.

[KB0 827]

4 minutes ago, mjtavier said:

Frank Jackson will be the PG 

He may play point, yes, but he's not a PG. That's like JBJ running the point.

[WayneFleekHoosier 48,786]

Frank Jackson is the new shiny object that will be afforded the PG keys. Of course he wanted Thornton to stay as the "back up" PG but that is not what he was recruited for. Depending on your definition of force I can see how he wasn't forced out.

[KingPG21 6,587]

4 hours ago, MadAboutIndiana said:

You're 100% right that it won't affect his public image. Coach K is a fraud. We have to stop putting these folks on some kind of pedestal. Just look at Knight.

He's a fraud? What? Some of you guys are seriously grasping at straws to come up with a anti-K narrative here

[Class of '66 Old Fart 85,958]

Michigan fans apparently not to optimistic about next season.

 

Lev Facher ‏@levfacher 3h3 hours ago

Michigan basketball apparently having trouble selling student seats for next year. Sent this to student STHs today:

 

 

[biteoftheapple 4,115]

The answer....is win

[WayneFleekHoosier 48,786]

Nerlens Noel being sued for destroying his 1 year lease home. Trashed the house. 45-70k worth of damage. 1 year lease was 56k. Photos of damage online. Marijuana roaches spread about. Toilets clogged with cotton and feces, carpet stained red and blue. He went full frat house all up in that piece.

UK representing again.

[MartintheMopMan 7,765]

Nerlens Noel being sued for destroying his 1 year lease home. Trashed the house. 45-70k worth of damage. 1 year lease was 56k. Photos of damage online. Marijuana roaches spread about. Toilets clogged with cotton and feces, carpet stained red and blue. He went full frat house all up in that piece.

UK representing again.

Indiana red?

[WayneFleekHoosier 48,786]

Indiana red?

What else?

[MadAboutIndiana 402]

He's a fraud? What? Some of you guys are seriously grasping at straws to come up with a anti-K narrative here

I've never seen an elitist like this guy. Getting into it with Collin Hartman and other players over nothing, the Grayson Allen trash, his creation of and handling of the Dillon Brooks thing. He's a sore loser. Much like some IU fans with Stevens, he's been mythicized into some sort of miracle walking the Earth.

On this issue, it's plain as day what happened. Duke used Thornton. He didn't land the guard he needed after Tyus Jones went one and done. They were always going to land a top 2016 guard. Thornton was simply a stop gap.

[Class of '66 Old Fart 85,958]

Let's not be overly naive that Dukie is the only school that over recruits.  Part of the reason this year is nearly a record, if not a record, for kids who have announced intentions to transfer.  With social media, ESPN, etc., it gets so much more publicity.  And the damn NBA doesn't help with the insistent on the 1 and done crap.  As a coach, you really don't know who might be coming back so you have to keep recruiting.  Also, after having coached a kid for a year, maybe you realize you missed and he's simply not going to be the contributor you need or expected.  As of this date, we have no scholly's available yet CTC has several offers on the table.  Isn't that an example of over recruiting?  Go all the way back to the tenure of RMK and look at the roster changes from year to year and don't tell me that he didn't over recruit which led to annual departures.  I don't like it; it's a crappy system, but it is what it is in college basketball.  

[MadAboutIndiana 402]

It's not that they over recruited a guy. It's that they begged and pleaded for him to skip his senior year of high school to do so.