College Bball Thread

[Scooter D 928]

So, I am watching this Kansas-Iowa St game and the dopes doing the commentating are talking about how the shot clock needs to be lowered because scoring is down in college hoops.

Perhaps someone out there can explain this insane idea that all of these ESPN commentators seem to be throwing out there to me?

Do they honestly think that giving already bad shooter less time to take a shot will result in more points per game? IMO, the big reason why scoring has been dropping in college hoops is due to the stupid one-and-done NBA rule. The NBA is sucking all of the "talent" out of college hoops; thereby making college coaches play more guys that are not ready to play. What am I missing?

[WayneFleekHoosier 48,454]

So, I am watching this Kansas-Iowa St game and the dopes doing the commentating are talking about how the shot clock needs to be lowered because scoring is down in college hoops.

Perhaps someone out there can explain this insane idea that all of these ESPN commentators seem to be throwing out there to me?

Do they honestly think that giving already bad shooter less time to take a shot will result in more points per game? IMO, the big reason why scoring has been dropping in college hoops is due to the stupid one-and-done NBA rule. The NBA is sucking all of the "talent" out of college hoops; thereby making college coaches play more guys that are not ready to play. What am I missing?

more possessions likely lead to more points. Less stall ball that is employed by many coaches, who drain the clock then run a pick/roll or pick/pop with 6 seconds left on the shot clock.

I for one, am in favor of the 30 second shot clock. Good coaches will get their teams as good as shots as they get with 35 seconds. Most D1 coaches are in favor of this change as well. I know I am in the minority here but to me, it's clear as day.

Entertainment value and scoring goes up.

[HoosierHoops1 5,024]

kids learning how to shoot would help a lot too.

[HoosierHoops1 5,024]

more possessions likely lead to more points. Less stall ball that is employed by many coaches, who drain the clock then run a pick/roll or pick/pop with 6 seconds left on the shot clock.

I for one, am in favor of the 30 second shot clock. Good coaches will get their teams as good as shots as they get with 35 seconds. Most D1 coaches are in favor of this change as well. I know I am in the minority here but to me, it's clear as day.

Entertainment value and scoring goes up.

Are you saying, Crean gets his team better shots in 35 seconds than most coaches do, therefore that's why Indiana isn't one of the teams where scoring is down?

[Hutch89 2,939]

Are you saying, Crean gets his team better shots in 35 seconds than most coaches do, therefore that's why Indiana isn't one of the teams where scoring is down?

 

IU's game under Crean is already quick.  I feel like we usually get our shot off well before 30 seconds, but depending on what kind of defensive pressure we're seeing at the moment.  30 second shot clots would probably favor our team, as it would force higher pace, and we already play that style.   There would be a lot of teams that would need to adjust though, like Wisconsin for instance, who likes to take their time until the perfect shot opportunity presents itself. 

[HoosierHoops1 5,024]

After a couple seasons wouldn't that neutralize any advantage we had with pace?

[Hutch89 2,939]

Yeah for sure, other teams would catch up quick.  

I'm not saying i'm for or against the shot clock change at all, i'm really quite neutral on it. I think how it is today works well, and as someone earlier had posted, it's more of the one-and-done rules that have taken many of the good players out of college, but who knows. 

[Hutch89 2,939]

and honestly, I want the one-and-done NBA rule to end as quickly as possible almost exclusively so that Kentucky can stop doing what they're doing.  it pisses me off

[Hoosiers96 912]

http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/02/02/dangelo-russell-jahlil-okafor-among-the-nations-ten-most-entertaining-players/

Top 10 most entertaining college basketball players. 2 familiar names at #2

[HoosierHoops1 5,024]

Entertainment value, when he's on, Troy would be hard to beat.

[HoosierHoops1 5,024]

http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/02/02/dangelo-russell-jahlil-okafor-among-the-nations-ten-most-entertaining-players/

Top 10 most entertaining college basketball players. 2 familiar names at #2

James could be #1 on that list if he didn't have a bad case of Watford syndrome.

[LIHoosier 26,294]

http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/02/02/dangelo-russell-jahlil-okafor-among-the-nations-ten-most-entertaining-players/

Top 10 most entertaining college basketball players. 2 familiar names at #2

Who knew Yogi and JBJ are conjoined twins?!? :D

[Scooter D 928]

kids learning how to shoot would help a lot too.

I think that this has a lot to do with why scoring is down.  For the most part, kids are going to college from H.S, where they dominated and really did not play against good defenses; however, the step up to college often shows that they were scorers and not necessarily shooters (for example, it is clear, at least to me, that Troy was probably more of a scorer, given his superior athletic ability; whereas, JBJ is clearly a great shooter with a scorers mentality).  The good ones move on to the NBA after a year and the schools are left with players who probably have not adapted or adjusted to more intense defenses.   

 

I am still not sure why people want to make it like the NBA.  The NBA is one of the worst products out there, in my opinion.  No one plays defense and typically there are two passes or less (usually less) and a shot goes up.  They don't really do a lot to move the defense and most of the time, it is someone just trying to create something out of nothing.  The NBA was a lot better when you had more refined players (those with 3-4 years of college ball)being drafted.  

[biteoftheapple 4,115]

I think thr AAU model is more to blame than high school. No basics are taught, lots of one on. Defenses are a second thought

[Geometry Hoosier 1,151]

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[HoosierAloha 30,068]

I think that this has a lot to do with why scoring is down.  For the most part, kids are going to college from H.S, where they dominated and really did not play against good defenses; however, the step up to college often shows that they were scorers and not necessarily shooters (for example, it is clear, at least to me, that Troy was probably more of a scorer, given his superior athletic ability; whereas, JBJ is clearly a great shooter with a scorers mentality).  The good ones move on to the NBA after a year and the schools are left with players who probably have not adapted or adjusted to more intense defenses.   

 

I am still not sure why people want to make it like the NBA.  The NBA is one of the worst products out there, in my opinion.  No one plays defense and typically there are two passes or less (usually less) and a shot goes up.  They don't really do a lot to move the defense and most of the time, it is someone just trying to create something out of nothing.  The NBA was a lot better when you had more refined players (those with 3-4 years of college ball)being drafted.  

 

Tim Duncan, the big fundamental.

[WayneFleekHoosier 48,454]

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hahaha

[WayneFleekHoosier 48,454]

@GoodmanESPN: Give Mark Fox credit. Georgia is only down 7 to UK at Rupp -- and he's without 3 of his top 8 players due to injury.

[Alford Bailey 12,390]

I think thr AAU model is more to blame than high school. No basics are taught, lots of one on. Defenses are a second thought

This is true. All about getting mine in the scoring column.

[Hoosiers96 912]

Could we take some notes from WV on defense?