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To further my point Lebron James the best high school player since probably Lew Alcindor largest crowd was 8700. He did it in the Toledo gym. Oh and his hype to the nation is the only comparison I have for what Bailey faced in this state. Bailey was a god and the next IU legend by the time he reached high school. May not be up for debate for you on this message board but your facts are exactly that. Facts only to you.

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I think this is great and I wish it was more. Its really funny actually when this is about 5% of what Cam Newton got to sign with Auburn. Pay them for their autographs too. Nobody owns these athletes. The schools should be thankful for all the $ they bring to the school. Fortunately, the boosters still do. If you don't believe this try to explain Kentucky getting 10 NBA players on one team? Spread it around so all the players get a piece.

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To further my point Lebron James the best high school player since probably Lew Alcindor largest crowd was 8700. He did it in the Toledo gym. Oh and his hype to the nation is the only comparison I have for what Bailey faced in this state. Bailey was a god and the next IU legend by the time he reached high school. May not be up for debate for you on this message board but your facts are exactly that. Facts only to you.

I'm trying to re read your posts looking for something I am missing. "Facts only to me" what does that even mean? A fact is a fact. I have no idea what your even trying to argue. Some high school players are gods in their community, state and even nationally and are money makers for their school. Some more than others and I named 2 off the top of my head that anyone on this board would recognize. What about what I said are you arguing against?


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I'm trying to re read your posts looking for something I am missing. "Facts only to me" what does that even mean? A fact is a fact. I have no idea what your even trying to argue. Some high school players are gods in their community, state and even nationally and are money makers for their school. Some more than others and I named 2 off the top of my head that anyone on this board would recognize. What about what I said are you arguing against?


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"Facts only to you" meaning you think it's the norm for high school kids to play in front of large crowds. Money makers? You may want to look into how much it truly costs to upkeep a gym that isn't only used by both men's and women's basketball. How much travel costs. The teams that draw, they travel. That travel gets them noticed. Also, a key point against your theory is the purpose of sports at the high school level. Any profits go to the school to maintain above what money they receive from the state. If an after school activity doesn't make money (which the vast majority of don't) they have fundraisers to pay for it. What I am saying is the ludicrous assumption that high school players deserve money is really the worst argument I have been in on here. High school preps you for college. It is not a profession. It is far from a moneymaker.

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This is going to kill collegiate athletics as we know it. There are only a handful of Athletic Departments that even make money. How can we expect the schools who don't make money to keep up with the big boys  (Texas, Alabama, OSU, ND, Florida etc). It is really going to put a lot of schools in a tough position. 

 

I always liked the idea of paying athletes, especially the ones that make the school money. But this is going to open a Pandora's box and I don't know if I see it ending well. If you pay your starting QB X amount of money, will the 3rd string OL understand that he is not going to get as much, or will he want the same amount. How about baseball players, who bring absolutely no money into an athletic department. 

 

It will be interesting to see what sort of changes this brings.

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Just so we're clear, everyone's arguments for high schoolers making money for their schools are Damon Bailey and Lebron James? My point is proven. 

honestly...I couldn't give two fudges if I had a pound of brownie mix and an acre of walnut trees...

I was just saying that the 1990 IHSAA final was a packed Hoosier Dome, and that it was fun....

 

sometimes I hate having ADHD moments in the middle of these discussions...

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Just so we're clear, everyone's arguments for high schoolers making money for their schools are Damon Bailey and Lebron James? My point is proven.

your point was that trey lyles did not bring in big crowds/money...


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I don't care if a high school typically brings in $10k a year and over a 4 year period they have a D-1 level talent that then raises their annual revenue to $15k a year, there is value to the school to have them there. There is a monetary value big/small it is all relative. Clearly not every player brings that additional revenue, nobody ever made that statement so not sure why using one player as an example makes one think they crowned themselves winner, but the facts are that some players bring a monetary value to the school so if we begin paying college players, it's not insane to think someday we will be paying high school players


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If there are people that exist that think high school players deserve to be paid, even ones like Trey Lyles that do bring in additional revenue, I don't want to live on this planet anymore...lbs

 

Not everything in life has to be "fair."

gawd...I can't believe I'm doing this...

 

I don't think anybody thinks HS players need to be paid...I believe there are folks questioning the line...where is the line that is crossed that will get people to say..."that's it! it's too far"...

 

and it's a valid point...the point being...once money is brought into the amateur equation...where is the line drawn?

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gawd...I can't believe I'm doing this...

 

I don't think anybody thinks HS players need to be paid...I believe there are folks questioning the line...where is the line that is crossed that will get people to say..."that's it! it's too far"...

 

and it's a valid point...the point being...once money is brought into the amateur equation...where is the line drawn?

Agreed. IMHO it's already trending towards way too far. College players should not be paid outside of cost of attendance. JMO.

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gawd...I can't believe I'm doing this...

I don't think anybody thinks HS players need to be paid...I believe there are folks questioning the line...where is the line that is crossed that will get people to say..."that's it! it's too far"...

and it's a valid point...the point being...once money is brought into the amateur equation...where is the line drawn?

well said. This isn't an argument in favor of high school players being paid, but if amateur college players are going to be paid why stop there? High school players bring in money for their schools just like colleges so why not pay them too? And can't believe I need to say this but no, Damon Bailey and Lebron James are not the only players to bring additional revenue to their high schools athletic budget. If your an AD and there is a player in your community that is bringing in an additional $10k for there school, paying high school players is legal, why wouldn't you offer him money? If you don't someone else will. It will f up everything as we know it but hey


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here's the deal folks...and there is no way around this...

 

If you are the type of person that believes that IU is a program that genuinely follows the rules,

and you are the type of person that believes that there are programs out there that genuinely try to skirt the rules;

then you have to acknowledge that there will be those same programs that will exploit the system in order to

manipulate rules in their favor...or to gain an edge over the competition...

 

on the flip side...

 

the responsible student athlete will benefit immensely from a monetary compensation for their services...

 

but you Hoosier fans had best  brace yourselves for how frustrated you are about to become when John Calipari finds a loophole

that will allow UK student athletes to invest into Arab oil via the horse industry from money that the University supplies that will ensure that they become millionaires by Christmas day of their Freshman year. 

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U go to college to prepare yourself for your future career. In rare cases there career is going to b the sport they r participating in. The school of there choosing builds there future by providing coaches to help them excell facilities to condition and practice. The schools help build students and athletes to do there best when there time there is over no money needs to b given to them. I wish people would realize how much money would ruin the game and how much the schools r already doing for them.

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 Even if there's a system set up to regulate the amount given to players the rules will still be broken by the very same programs doing it now.I don't see how this will work with the budgets mid majors have to work with or even high majors without revenue from football.

 Why don't we just scrap the NCAA and set up semipro teams in each region? Oh wait that is what we're doing.

If not for IU basketball I'd quit watching. I hate where this is going.

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Everyone is missing the point here by a large margin. My original post stated that saying an athlete at the high school level brings in more revenue is ludicrous. My example was Trey Lyles and the complete lack of interest he generated at his own school. If anything, he made other High Schools money. Attendance was horrible at Tech. My other example was Twin Lakes High School in Northern Indiana. They have no stars and are very very average at sports. Yet they pack their stadium and gym consistently, regardless of whether they have a good team or a star. Using a 20 plus year old game as an indication that players generate revenue is like saying the MLB is more popular than the NFL, because that's how it was in 1990. State basketball games aren't attended like that anymore. Not even close. Twin Lakes, without a star, generated probably double what Tech High school brought in every year Lyles was there. It's all about the community's interest in its athletic program. In very few instances, as exampled by Lebron and Damon, has an individual player or players had an effect on attendance so large that a school would notice a significant bump in revenue. Look at the Prep schools and the highlight tapes from guys who go there. Some schools don't have home games while other have empty gyms. None of the arguments make any sense in the slightest. 

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Everyone is missing the point here by a large margin. My original post stated that saying an athlete at the high school level brings in more revenue is ludicrous. My example was Trey Lyles and the complete lack of interest he generated at his own school. If anything, he made other High Schools money. Attendance was horrible at Tech. My other example was Twin Lakes High School in Northern Indiana. They have no stars and are very very average at sports. Yet they pack their stadium and gym consistently, regardless of whether they have a good team or a star. Using a 20 plus year old game as an indication that players generate revenue is like saying the MLB is more popular than the NFL, because that's how it was in 1990. State basketball games aren't attended like that anymore. Not even close. Twin Lakes, without a star, generated probably double what Tech High school brought in every year Lyles was there. It's all about the community's interest in its athletic program. In very few instances, as exampled by Lebron and Damon, has an individual player or players had an effect on attendance so large that a school would notice a significant bump in revenue. Look at the Prep schools and the highlight tapes from guys who go there. Some schools don't have home games while other have empty gyms. None of the arguments make any sense in the slightest. 

 

Kind of off topic, but along the same lines- in your opinion, what's causing the drop in interest/attendence in high school basketball games?

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Kind of off topic, but along the same lines- in your opinion, what's causing the drop in interest/attendence in high school basketball games?

 

Football has grown exponentially. I think that's the biggest reason. I also think that most people with no rooting interest choose to watch on TV rather than go down to watch. It used to be an event that people in Indianapolis attended because they followed the tournament throughout in the paper and read the story lines. Now it just seems like you get a few pieces in the Star when it gets close to Semi State but other than that it's back page material. 

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