JaQuan Lyle off the board

[rebelhoosier848891 9,588]

That talk down here came from the Evansville area at the exact same time as the---- IU is talking to him again--- and he is going to Hysteria--talk.  Two of the three have now come true so we shall see if the third does as well.  I also have one semi-connected source to the program who said the discussions were occurring too. 

 

And don't forget Zags said IU was ready to take both Holt and Kasongo even though we only had one spot---Zags does not make that stuff up----source was from the program--so there is some way already established to make it happen if the coaches and Lyle decide it's a match.  We shall see.

[Kepner 1,261]

Wow, Lyle definitely put on some pounds.  And not the good kind.

The video was from last year. I saw him up close at HH and he has definitely lost a lot of weight from that video.

[schoosier 3,613]

I hear you bowhunter---as a fellow southern Indiana Hoosier---I want to see Lyle succeed too!  But---I want his turnaround to start before he gets to IU if that is where he ultimately ends up.  I just like what we have going with chemistry and good character kids and don't want a repeat of whatever happened last year!

I like your excitement, but let's be honest. The players you mentin good chemistry and character are the same ones being arrested and allegedly failing drug tests last year correct? What gives them a pass yet a player only being recruited has you worried? I'm not picking on you; I just think the double standard for Lyle is not fair since he hasn't had any indiscrections as the above to my knowledge all the while on scholarship at IU. If you're gonna hold this kid to lofty standards then hold those currently playing to the same. Those unwilling to give him a chance just seems so hypocritical.

[Stuhoo 84,923]

I like your excitement, but let's be honest. The players you mention good chemistry and character are the same ones being arrested and allegedly failing drug tests last year correct? What gives them a pass yet a player only being recruited has you worried? I'm not picking on you; I just think the double standard for Lyle is not fair since he hasn't had any indiscrections as the above to my knowledge all the while on scholarship at IU. If you're gonna hold this kid to lofty standards then hold those currently playing to the same. Those unwilling to give him a chance just seems so hypocritical.

 

Well said, but I disagree...to a point. 

 

I believe that last years' chemistry problems were real, but that they were mainly due to personalities clashing, and to a slightly lesser extent maturity that was much needed by Yogi, Stan, and Hanner. Not as much due to the arrests and too much partying. 

 

In fact, if Hanner Perea turns into an excellent player and a proud Hoosier alum, that DWI arrest could be the single most positive turning point moment of his life.

[hoosierpap 14,300]

I wouldn't put a ton into Zags report, Rebel. I'm not sure why you think that information came from within the program, but it came from Bender. Trust me when I say Zags did not come off well amongst his peers for his handling of the entire Kasango ordeal.

 

IU will not add another scholarship player though Lyle is 100% cleared to play college basketball this season.

 

We can explore the possibilities if you'd like, but they are just that...possibilities. This could go several ways from here - but Lyle gaining an athletic grant for this season is not one of the possibilities unless you're looking for a "Luke Fischer" type transfer.

[schoosier 3,613]

Well said, but I disagree...to a point. 
 
I believe that last years' chemistry problems were real, but that they were mainly due to personalities clashing, and to a slightly lesser extent maturity that was much needed by Yogi, Stan, and Hanner. Not as much due to the arrests and too much partying. 
 
In fact, if Hanner Perea turns into an excellent player and a proud Hoosier alum, that DWI arrest could be the single most positive turning point moment of his life.

I agree and with Wil and Yogi being away playing ball for USA; this hurt us with leadership and continuity. I agree with Hanner too. Its not like our previous players didn't party or get into trouble. While before my time, I have heard stories of Landon Turners ways before he got it figured out. Now granted, Hanner is no LT, but the comparison is worth noting. I hope Hanner has a breakout year, as our season's hopes fall squarely on his shoulders.

[WayneFleekHoosier 49,695]

I wouldn't put a ton into Zags report, Rebel. I'm not sure why you think that information came from within the program, but it came from Bender. Trust me when I say Zags did not come off well amongst his peers for his handling of the entire Kasango ordeal.

IU will not add another scholarship player though Lyle is 100% cleared to play college basketball this season.

We can explore the possibilities if you'd like, but they are just that...possibilities. This could go several ways from here - but Lyle gaining an athletic grant for this season is not one of the possibilities unless you're looking for a "Luke Fischer" type transfer.

Interesting post Pap. Lots to read here. IF BENDER said that to Zag, was Bender lying???? He was probably told that from someone, right? I realize Bender is a sleaze ball, but are u thinking it was Holt or Kasongo and not both?

Sounds like a walk on situation is being insinuated. Anyhow, I find all this interesting and it will be fun to follow.

FWIW, I'm still bummed about Thomas Bryant and crew missing HH.

[Walking Boot of Doom 18,170]

Interesting post Pap. Lots to read here. IF BENDER said that to Zag, was Bender lying???? He was probably told that from someone, right? I realize Bender is a sleaze ball, but are u thinking it was Holt or Kasongo and not both?

Sounds like a walk on situation is being insinuated. Anyhow, I find all this interesting and it will be fun to follow.

FWIW, I'm still bummed about Thomas Bryant and crew missing HH.

Read in the ITH comments that their visits are all being rescheduled. Not sure how credible it was, but I believe he implied they'd all visit together

[hoosierpap 14,300]

What do you think is the most likely senario?  Just your best guess buddy

Tough one. This situation is so fluid but some talk about a spring enrollment with significant financial aid - join the team 2015-2016. Most people are guessing at this point.

[hoosierpap 14,300]

Interesting post Pap. Lots to read here. IF BENDER said that to Zag, was Bender lying???? He was probably told that from someone, right? I realize Bender is a sleaze ball, but are u thinking it was Holt or Kasongo and not both?

Sounds like a walk on situation is being insinuated. Anyhow, I find all this interesting and it will be fun to follow.

FWIW, I'm still bummed about Thomas Bryant and crew missing HH.

Idk if the Bryant sick thing was true or not...but I would give him the benefit of the doubt. He didn't really have much reason to let the press be informed he was going to Bloomington again if he didn't intend to. Bryant had a placement test that the group planned to leave after his completion of. It could have been a series of things, but the timing was going to be tough anyways

[rebelhoosier848891 9,588]

Good stuff hoosierpap---appreciate the insight. I am just reporting what I am hearing and reading and will continue to do so.  As I said it has been 2/3 correct so far!

[rebelhoosier848891 9,588]

And schoosier---your opinion is actually not too far off from mine.  If the coaches think he's ready to take a chance on--I will support their decision.  I am just nervous about it because of his reputation. 

 

My difference with your opinion is that I think college kids--including good kids--getting alcohol violations in college is not unheard of and is different from someone with the reputation of anger issues, being a troublemaker, and thinking he is above the rules.  I suggest there is a big difference between the two and I do not see that as a double standard. 

 

If the coaches think they can turn him around---I will keep an open mind.  But chemistry in sports is so very important and I don't want to see us hurt it for the sake of one talented kid.

 

My 2 cents.

[rebelhoosier848891 9,588]

Hoosierpap---I went back and checked the August 15, 2014 Zagsblog and it stated that even though IU only had one scholarship to offer that MULTIPLE SOURCES stated IU was interested in taking both Holt and Kasongo if they would commit.  I took that to mean it was not just Bender but also had to be IU as well.  You may have insider info that I am not privy to so I am not disagreeing with you--just reporting what I am hearing in Southern Indiana in the Evansville area and what I read in Zagsblog!

 

I will keep my ears open and keep reporting. 

[hoosierpap 14,300]

Hoosierpap---I went back and checked the August 15, 2014 Zagsblog and it stated that even though IU only had one scholarship to offer that MULTIPLE SOURCES stated IU was interested in taking both Holt and Kasongo if they would commit.  I took that to mean it was not just Bender but also had to be IU as well.  You may have insider info that I am not privy to so I am not disagreeing with you--just reporting what I am hearing in Southern Indiana in the Evansville area and what I read in Zagsblog!

 

I will keep my ears open and keep reporting. 

You believe his sources on this, I do not. It didn't come from IU - they would have been breaking NCAA regulations by commenting on an ongoing recruitment. At the very best it could have came from an intermediate source with some connection to the program but they do not typically run to reporters with things and that's a pretty shotty source when it is done anonymously.

 

Reporters, when it comes to recruiting, access their information from only a few wells on most every occassion; their peers (other reporters), the recruit themselves, the recruits family/guardian/influencial adult, and the recruits coaches.  As you can imagine, those sources typically have an agenda and that is what becomes public.

 

I'm certainly not trying to discourage you from your reporting. I am saying I would be careful about putting a ton of stock into that Kasango report to begin with yet alone applying it to a completely different situation. If you feel it supports what you're hearing in Evansville then that is your choice. I'm offering another prospective/opinion to the matter based on the background I've gathered.

 

What did you say you were hearing out of Evansville by the way? I'm certainly not discounting what you're hearing simply because it isn't what I am.

[IU Bud 445]

He may have character issues but he can ball out. Plus spending that year at Huntington Prep had to help. He didn't get in trouble there as far as I know.

This is much more than a fight. He started out with getting technical fouls, taunting other players, and show boating in his freshman year. Then he walked off the court and caused his team to lose an important game in his sophomore season. Then he threw a punch on the court and got in a fight before a big game with a rival in his third season. If anything, his actions got worse over time.

 

He may be an angel now.  Anyone who has played with someone with a bad attitude will know that the drama is sometimes not worth it. It only takes one player to spoil a locker room. We had that last year. I don't want to see another episode like that.

[WayneFleekHoosier 49,695]

@dandakich: If JaQuan Lyle comes to IU..first thing he will have to learn is to be coached..sadly for the kid he's never been coached..very sadly

[AKHoosier 7,300]

@dandakich: When JaQuan Lyle comes to IU..first thing he will have to learn is to be coached..sadly for the kid he's never been coached..very sadly

 

I fixed Dakich's tweet.

[rebelhoosier848891 9,588]

Thanks Hoosierpap---my sources are basketball related (non-IU) in Evansville and they were saying and others were repeating down here 3 things:

1. Lyle and IU had resumed discussions about him playing for IU---but not a done deal yet.

2. Lyle was likely coming to Hysteria.

3. Lyle could come at semester break---which I assumed meant on scholarship.

 

Later 2 out of 3 things were confirmed and happened and maybe the third will as well. 

Whatever the staff is telling Lyle--I don't think he is great at keeping secrets as they are allegedly being repeated down here. 

I normally don't pay attention to rumors--but when the Hysteria visit was confirmed and occurred---that was significant enough to get me to pay attention to all 3 points.

[rebelhoosier848891 9,588]

Now Hoosierpap---please share what you can about what you are hearing?

[rebelhoosier848891 9,588]

Hoosierpap---you could also be right about the Zags sources on multiple schollies not being from IU---I don't know that.  I just wanted to make sure accurate facts were related to Hoosier Nation as Zags clearly said MULTIPLE sources were telling him that.  It just made sense to me that would include IU connected sources as it was never refuted by IU.  Also I found it interesting that Coach McClain paid Kasongo a visit right after Holt accepted our last scholly.  Certainly some circumstancial evidence that supports the view that IU was continuing to look at his situation----not sure if the continued interest at the time was still for this year or for next year.