(2014) PF Emmit Holt to IU

[BGleas 7,917]

But, they weren't identical rosters. Taking away a teams best player has a huge impact. It's not like they went from a good big to a great one. You could argue in 2010-11 that Pritchard was the worst starting center in the Big Ten. We went from arguably the worst to the best. 

 

Take Evan Gordon or Ethrington off last years team and replace him with Stauskas or Gary Harris and we're an entirly different team.  

I won't deny that.  Although saying "considering what he had to work with" kind of glosses over that year 3 and 4 were practically identical rosters and year 3 still had upperclassmen that had been in the system for a minimum of 3 years.

[CampHoosier 3,697]

Year 3 was practically the exact same roster as year 4, there was only one contributor difference between the two.

 

Are you saying that a year of experience for Hulls, Watford, and Vic plus the addition of Cody ISN'T a reason for a turning point? Vic was a Freshman the year before. We had no big men at all. That's ludicrous. Did you watch 2008-2011?

[CampHoosier 3,697]

Year 3 was practically the exact same roster as year 4, there was only one contributor difference between the two.

 

FSU had a nearly identical roster last year too...except at QB

[shortspacequickness 1,034]

If Crean's efforts/accomplishments/whatever are good enough for Slick, they're certainly good enough for me. Tongue in cheek, but it does amaze me that people want to gloss over starting without a team. In major college basketball. Think about that.

[JSHoosier 20,321]

Are you saying that a year of experience for Hulls, Watford, and Vic plus the addition of Cody ISN'T a reason for a turning point? Vic was a Freshman the year before. We had no big men at all. That's ludicrous. Did you watch 2008-2011?

I did.  I've never bought that year 3 shouldn't count though, never will.  I didn't expect that team to be particularly good, but I did expect a better showing than 12 wins.  I never said the team didn't improve between those years, it did, but I think there was certainly enough there for that season to be counted.  While Vic had a big improvement, he still didn't have much of a shot or much of a handle.

 

Truth be told I think year 4 over achieved a bit the same as I feel year 3 under achieved a bit.  I don't think year 4 was Sweet 16 good, but I do believe year 3 was a better team than 12 wins awful.

[BGleas 7,917]

I agree we should have won more than 12 games that year, but we were still a bad team. Maybe like 14-15 wins?

I did.  I've never bought that year 3 shouldn't count though, never will.  I didn't expect that team to be particularly good, but I did expect a better showing than 12 wins.  I never said the team didn't improve between those years, it did, but I think there was certainly enough there for that season to be counted.  While Vic had a big improvement, he still didn't have much of a shot or much of a handle.
 
Truth be told I think year 4 over achieved a bit the same as I feel year 3 under achieved a bit.  I don't think year 4 was Sweet 16 good, but I do believe year 3 was a better team than 12 wins awful.

[WayneFleekHoosier 48,544]

From rupp rafters about Holt. I know, I know. But you know what they say, keep your enemies closer.
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I live about 15 mins from his hs. I saw him play in sectionals here in rochester ny where i live, he dominated but everything came from the post, very under sized at college level and pretty hilarious that IU signed him. I remember looking him up to see college choices and couple D1 schools from the area that are awful, good for the kid but trust me he isnt major conf material. I'll be shocked if he plays at all. If this tells you anything i heard a couple days ago just bc hes from here and my jaw dropped, had to check twice.
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Anyway, just a FWIW to keep our expectations in check.

[All_Hoosiers 873]

[quote name="WayneHoosier" post="79837" timestamp="1408672506"]From rupp rafters about Holt. I know, I know. But you know what they say, keep your enemies closer.
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I live about 15 mins from his hs. I saw him play in sectionals here in rochester ny where i live, he dominated but everything came from the post, very under sized at college level and pretty hilarious that IU signed him. I remember looking him up to see college choices and couple D1 schools from the area that are awful, good for the kid but trust me he isnt major conf material. I'll be shocked if he plays at all. If this tells you anything i heard a couple days ago just bc hes from here and my jaw dropped, had to check twice.
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Anyway, just a FWIW to keep our expectations in check.[/quote]

To be fair, I'll go ahead and trust the guys actually paid to evaluate his talent.

But yeah interesting perspective.


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[barrettballer 513]

pUKe fans will say anything to dog on an IU player


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[Hutch89 2,939]

undersized in height, yes, but where the tip of your head is at isn't what matters because you don't touch the ball with your head, you use your hands... Here's some comparisons of height and wingspan here.

Emmitt Holt - height 6-7, wingspan 7-2
Aaron Gordon - height 6-9, wingspan 7-0
Julius Randle - height 6-9, wingspan 7-0
Chris Bosh - height 6-11.5, wingspan 7-3.5
Kevin Love - height 6-9.5, wingspan 6-11.25
Miles Plumlee - height 6-11.75, wingspan 7-0.25


Holt's wingspan makes up for his lack of height easily, and could potentially be just as effective as someone with the same wingspan but 3 inches taller


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[8bucks 6,477]

[quote name="All_Hoosiers" post="79841" timestamp="1408672709"]To be fair, I'll go ahead and trust the guys actually paid to evaluate his talent.

But yeah interesting perspective.


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I would love to see Him really exceed. In fact I would prefer a coach who can take average talent and develop them vs a coach who only exceeds with top talent.

That said, the paid scouts ranked him low didn't they? Combined with the collection of offers from low mid majors the paid coaches were not willing to bet on him yet either.

There were some suggestions that a year at prep school and he would likely be a big time recruit but it is hard to argue he is that now.

With our limited depth in the middle there will be opportunities for him. I am hopeful he uses this year to improve and instead of blowing up at a prep school lets just have him do that here.


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[WayneFleekHoosier 48,544]

I would love to see Him really exceed. In fact I would prefer a coach who can take average talent and develop them vs a coach who only exceeds with top talent. That said, the paid scouts ranked him low didn't they? Combined with the collection of offers from low mid majors the paid coaches were not willing to bet on him yet either. There were some suggestions that a year at prep school and he would likely be a big time recruit but it is hard to argue he is that now. With our limited depth in the middle there will be opportunities for him. I am hopeful he uses this year to improve and instead of blowing up at a prep school lets just have him do that here. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

Good perspective here! Right on!

[All_Hoosiers 873]

[quote name="8bucks" post="79852" timestamp="1408674033"]I would love to see Him really exceed. In fact I would prefer a coach who can take average talent and develop them vs a coach who only exceeds with top talent.

That said, the paid scouts ranked him low didn't they? Combined with the collection of offers from low mid majors the paid coaches were not willing to bet on him yet either.

There were some suggestions that a year at prep school and he would likely be a big time recruit but it is hard to argue he is that now.

With our limited depth in the middle there will be opportunities for him. I am hopeful he uses this year to improve and instead of blowing up at a prep school lets just have him do that here.


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I was meaning more of Crean and his staff but I get what you're saying.

I do think a year at prep school would've done wonders for his recruitment so I might be a little bias in my assessment of him.


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[Basketball4iU 2,006]

This young man will help us... In more ways than you can look at on paper. He is a great add at the right time. Give them a chance to mold and learn...you will see by his desire he is worthy of the addition


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[quote name="Basketball4iU" post="79865" timestamp="1408678144"]This young man will help us... In more ways than you can look at on paper. He is a great add at the right time. Give them a chance to mold and learn...you will see by his desire he is worthy of the addition


In the gym[/quote] That's what I like to hear.


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[WayneFleekHoosier 48,544]

[quote name="Basketball4iU" post="79865" timestamp="1408678144"]This young man will help us... In more ways than you can look at on paper. He is a great add at the right time. Give them a chance to mold and learn...you will see by his desire he is worthy of the addition


In the gym[/quote] Best post of the day!


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[CampHoosier 3,697]

From rupp rafters about Holt. I know, I know. But you know what they say, keep your enemies closer.
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I live about 15 mins from his hs. I saw him play in sectionals here in rochester ny where i live, he dominated but everything came from the post, very under sized at college level and pretty hilarious that IU signed him. I remember looking him up to see college choices and couple D1 schools from the area that are awful, good for the kid but trust me he isnt major conf material. I'll be shocked if he plays at all. If this tells you anything i heard a couple days ago just bc hes from here and my jaw dropped, had to check twice.
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Anyway, just a FWIW to keep our expectations in check.

 

Truly the most Kentucky post ever

[Hutch89 2,939]

"he dominated but everything came from the post"

 

 

Versatility is good an all, but that's what we need!!!!  with extra sauce

[WayneFleekHoosier 48,544]

"he dominated but everything came from the post"
 
 
Versatility is good an all, but that's what we need!!!!  with extra sauce

Yeah, I found that interesting too. The first half of the paragraph is very complimentary then his UK bias kicked in. Apparently, the kid has a competitive fire and sometimes that means more than star ratings.

He does seem more like the late bloomer type that Crean identifies so readily. I get a better feeling on Holt in every way than I did with April and Priller. I want all these kids to succeed but in reality there is only so much court time.

[WayneFleekHoosier 48,544]

I get the feeling Crean isn't as adept as other coaches at handling the 5 star ego. I think Crean's ego says he can take a unknown three star with fire and turn him into a beast.

Sometimes it works.....Wade, Oladipo, Sheehey, other Marquette players

Sometimes it doesn't.....Jurkin, Bawa, Capobianco, Etherington, etc...

That is admittedly the genius of Calipari. He can handle 5 star egos. But I guess the pay-offs and money help matters.