(2014) PF Emmit Holt to IU

[Parakeet Jones 3,750]

Sounds like he kind of took a back seat to some other high major D1 prospects on his AAU team.  Kind of reminds me of Vic at DaMatha.  If he could develop a fraction of the amount Vic did....

[shortspacequickness 1,034]

To be fair Crean is compared to other coaches at Big programs. Those coaches also lose kids to the NBA and transfer. Sure we would have been incredible had Cody, Vic and Noah stayed longer but that is hardly exclusive to Indiana.



Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

Absolutely. And those coaches for the most part haven't faced the criticism that Crean faced for not meeting "expectations" after losing two people like Oladipo and Zeller not to mention the backbone of his program since he's been here in Watford and Hulls. People make jokes about the Sweet 16, yet before Tom Crean we'd gone to a grand total of two in the previous twenty some years. Not surprising that fans are fickle and fail to look at reality, but you'd think Indiana people would be smarter.

[CampHoosier 3,697]

Absolutely. And those coaches for the most part haven't faced the criticism that Crean faced for not meeting "expectations" after losing two people like Oladipo and Zeller not to mention the backbone of his program since he's been here in Watford and Hulls. People make jokes about the Sweet 16, yet before Tom Crean we'd gone to a grand total of two in the previous twenty some years. Not surprising that fans are fickle and fail to look at reality, but you'd think Indiana people would be smarter.

 

Since Crean has taken over, he has been to two Sweet 16s. Since 1994, IU has been to 4. So you are correct. Davis made 1, Knight made his final Sweet 16 appearance in 1994

[Banksyrules 4,802]

My only counter argument to this is that I feel the administration has let us down enormously during this tenure.

Mr. brand hired an inexperienced Mike Davis, and mcroobie ( from my close sources ) was completely behind the Sampson hiring.

If Crean is not our guy in the future I would like to see a better system in place for hiring coaches. Perhaps getting Indiana high school coaches within the search committee.

quote name="shortspacequickness" post="79704" timestamp="1408639773"]Absolutely. And those coaches for the most part haven't faced the criticism that Crean faced for not meeting "expectations" after losing two people like Oladipo and Zeller not to mention the backbone of his program since he's been here in Watford and Hulls. People make jokes about the Sweet 16, yet before Tom Crean we'd gone to a grand total of two in the previous twenty some years. Not surprising that fans are fickle and fail to look at reality, but you'd think Indiana people would be smarter.[/quote]


Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

[Banksyrules 4,802]

I also don't care about sweet sixteens. We as a program need to explore ways to be better . That doesn't mean national championships each year , but better then sweet sixteens. If we resign ourselves to mediocrity that's where we will be. No thank you , I would much rather aim for something more.


Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

[CampHoosier 3,697]

I also don't care about sweet sixteens. We as a program need to explore ways to be better . That doesn't mean national championships each year , but better then sweet sixteens. If we resign ourselves to mediocrity that's where we will be. No thank you , I would much rather aim for something more.


Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

 

We are aiming higher. I think the original argument was that Crean isn't somehow living up to IU's expectations. However, in the past 20 years those expectations haven't been met by anyone, including RMK. Should we be doing better? Absolutely. This is Indiana basketball. But he has been to two Sweet 16s which is as many as IU has been to in the past 20 years prior to his hiring. I mean, the guy can't win. He can't live up to the expectations of RMK with the old blue blood fans even though Knight only made it past the Sweet 16 once after his 87 Championship. He can't win with the Brad Stevens crowd who expect everything that guy touches to turn to gold. There are honest to goodness people who believe he would win a title his first year here. Crean is a flawed coach, but in the past 20 years of IU basketball he's exceeding what his predecessors have done as far as making it to the Sweet 16. 

[Banksyrules 4,802]

[quote name="CampCrean" post="79718" timestamp="1408644618"]We are aiming higher. I think the original argument was that Crean isn't somehow living up to IU's expectations. However, in the past 20 years those expectations haven't been met by anyone, including RMK. Should we be doing better? Absolutely. This is Indiana basketball. But he has been to two Sweet 16s which is as many as IU has been to in the past 20 years prior to his hiring. I mean, the guy can't win. He can't live up to the expectations of RMK with the old blue blood fans even though Knight only made it past the Sweet 16 once after his 87 Championship. He can't win with the Brad Stevens crowd who expect everything that guy touches to turn to gold. There are honest to goodness people who believe he would win a title his first year here. Crean is a flawed coach, but in the past 20 years of IU basketball he's exceeding what his predecessors have done as far as making it to the Sweet 16. [/quote]
I agree but in the next I hope and expect a lot more.



Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

[Walking Boot of Doom 18,170]

We are aiming higher. I think the original argument was that Crean isn't somehow living up to IU's expectations. However, in the past 20 years those expectations haven't been met by anyone, including RMK. Should we be doing better? Absolutely. This is Indiana basketball. But he has been to two Sweet 16s which is as many as IU has been to in the past 20 years prior to his hiring. I mean, the guy can't win. He can't live up to the expectations of RMK with the old blue blood fans even though Knight only made it past the Sweet 16 once after his 87 Championship. He can't win with the Brad Stevens crowd who expect everything that guy touches to turn to gold. There are honest to goodness people who believe he would win a title his first year here. Crean is a flawed coach, but in the past 20 years of IU basketball he's exceeding what his predecessors have done as far as making it to the Sweet 16. 

I've made this argument before based on a few factors including post season, recruiting, academic, and talent development succes. IU has done nothing since winning it all in '87 and attending the championship game in '02. Crean has done more in his ~6 years than any other IU coach in almost 30 years. Its sort of ridiculous how long this program his been lack luster when you really think about it. Not saying I'm satisfied with where we are, I just think its interesting how much we complain about Crean, and really its something that's been happening, more or less, for almost 30 years.

[CampHoosier 3,697]

Rule #1 of BtownBanners: If there is a commit thread, it will turn in to a Crean thread. Every time. 

[Parakeet Jones 3,750]

I've made this argument before based on a few factors including post season, recruiting, academic, and talent development succes. IU has done nothing since winning it all in '87 and attending the championship game in '02. Crean has done more in his ~6 years than any other IU coach in almost 30 years. Its sort of ridiculous how long this program his been lack luster when you really think about it. Not saying I'm satisfied with where we are, I just think its interesting how much we complain about Crean, and really its something that's been happening, more or less, for almost 30 years.

You are forgetting a final four and elite eight in 92 and 93.  

[Chips&Dipo 1,464]

I hope Emmit Holt develops and becomes a valuable asset to the team! Could be a good pick up!

[yogisballin 2,341]

Seems like all topics lead to this lol


Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

[Walking Boot of Doom 18,170]

[quote name="Parakeet Jones" post="79729" timestamp="1408646753"]You are forgetting a final four and elite eight in 92 and 93. [/quote] Thank you. I was born in '92 so I don't think I watched those games lol.


Sent from my place of advanced, analytical thinking: the toilet.

[WayneFleekHoosier 48,386]

Thank you. I was born in '92 so I don't think I watched those games lol. Sent from my place of advanced, analytical thinking: the toilet.

. youngsta'

[Dunn Woods 92]

entering year seven of the Crean era and this is seriously what we're working with?

 

miss you, Luke!

[CampHoosier 3,697]

entering year seven of the Crean era and this is seriously what we're working with?

 

miss you, Luke!

 

What did Luke Fischer do on the court to make you think he's a better player than Holt? Also, I would argue that his first three seasons don't really count considering what he was working with. 

[JSHoosier 20,235]

What did Luke Fischer do on the court to make you think he's a better player than Holt? Also, I would argue that his first three seasons don't really count considering what he was working with. 

Year 3 was practically the exact same roster as year 4, there was only one contributor difference between the two.

[BGleas 7,903]

But that contributor was the best and most impactful player on the team at a position of desperate need. 

Year 3 was practically the exact same roster as year 4, there was only one contributor difference between the two.

[Hutch89 2,939]

I think our current young roster is really setting us up for the next few years..  Hopefully we'll be great this season and get our recruiting back up to snuff for some top talent in 2015 and 2016.    

At year 2016, if we keep most of the current freshman and even the project freshman on board until then, we're just one big-time recruit away from a serious run in the tourney. All speculative of course (IMO, FWIW, whatever ha), but we have some good recruits this year that have high potential and if they stay with us and work hard, we'll have a really good base of players in which a star or two could shine bright.

[JSHoosier 20,235]

But that contributor was the best and most impactful player on the team at a position of desperate need. 

I won't deny that.  Although saying "considering what he had to work with" kind of glosses over that year 3 and 4 were practically identical rosters and year 3 still had upperclassmen that had been in the system for a minimum of 3 years.