6'4" Guard Nick Zeisloft joins Hoosiers

[Stuhoo 79,587]

In all likelihood the spot would still practically be empty.

 

If things are as bright as people want us to believe a warm body shouldn't make a bit of difference.

 

The spot would not be empty during practice, and in the locker room. And if there were injuries.

 

It can't be just anybody. It must be a player that (as trite as the statement is) 'buys in', is a good influence, has reasonable expectations, and is not scared to play if needed.

[JSHoosier 19,816]

The spot would not be empty during practice, and in the locker room. And if there were injuries.

 

It can't be just anybody. It must be a player that (as trite as the statement is) 'buys in', is a good influence, has reasonable expectations, and is not scared to play if needed.

An empty spot isn't much different than the +0 this guy would be.  If there's an injury we'd still be in trouble, a guy that was merely okay in the MVC won't mitigate that loss against B1G competition.

 

If he'd actually contribute and help I'd be okay with it, but he won't.  We need more than just a warm body, we need someone that can actually help the team and I don't buy that a player that wasn't that good in the MVC will do that in the B1G.

[Stuhoo 79,587]

An empty spot isn't much different than the +0 this guy would be.  If there's an injury we'd still be in trouble, a guy that was merely okay in the MVC won't mitigate that loss against B1G competition.

 

If he'd actually contribute and help I'd be okay with it, but he won't.  We need more than just a warm body, we need someone that can actually help the team and I don't buy that a player that wasn't that good in the MVC will do that in the B1G.

 

I don't think he'll help very much ON the court during high-level games. 

 

BUT, it takes more than talent to win games, and we already have plenty of talent in our first seven. He can contribute with maturity, practice habits, sense of humor, being a leader or sounding board for young players...just the kind of thing we needed desperately last year and did not have.

 

Last year we were lacking shooting and leadership/character, don't you agree? If we can get some leadership/character from Nick Z then he's a good choice for the 12th (yes, 12th!) scholly.

[KelleyHoosh 2,263]

[quote name="JSHoosier" post="72369" timestamp="1403994273"]An empty spot isn't much different than the +0 this guy would be. If there's an injury we'd still be in trouble, a guy that was merely okay in the MVC won't mitigate that loss against B1G competition.

If he'd actually contribute and help I'd be okay with it, but he won't. We need more than just a warm body, we need someone that can actually help the team and I don't buy that a player that wasn't that good in the MVC will do that in the B1G.[/quote]

I agree wholeheartedly that he would not make a difference on court against B1G competition. But at this part of the cycle, who are we gonna get that would? This doesn't appear to be a basketball move IMO for the kid. One of those articles said he was looking for a top 50 business degree. It works out for everyone like this: this guy gets one year of a top MBA education and the chance of a lifetime to say he's been an IU basketball player and in return we get a veteran voice in a locker room that everyone agrees lacks maturity/experience.

Do we ideally want to take transfers from the MVC? No. This is just where we are at. All we can do is take the best option available and right now he is it


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[Stuhoo 79,587]

Alex Bozich (of ITH) now following Nick Zeisloft on Twitter.

[Stuhoo 79,587]

http://www.goredbirds.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/030614aaa.html

[JSHoosier 19,816]

I don't think he'll help very much ON the court during high-level games. 

 

BUT, it takes more than talent to win games, and we already have plenty of talent in our first seven. He can contribute with maturity, practice habits, sense of humor, being a leader or sounding board for young players...just the kind of thing we needed desperately last year and did not have.

 

Last year we were lacking shooting and leadership/character, don't you agree? If we can get some leadership/character from Nick Z then he's a good choice for the 12th (yes, 12th!) scholly.

We used a player not being good as a reason to be okay with losing those things.  It seems kind of hypocritical to now use those things to justify a player that's not very good.  If you're using talent as a reason to be okay with losing those things, do not use them as a reason to take a player that won't help from a talent perspective.  It doesn't make sense.

 

No, it's not about a player that brought those things not being here.  It's the double standard, it's the hypocrisy.  Sorry, no.  It's not illegal to be under the scholarship limit, and if there's a key injury we're still screwed even with this guy.

[Stuhoo 79,587]

"@prepbullseye: After graduating from Illinois St in 3 yrs it looks like Nick Zeisloft could be headed to Indiana Univ. Recently took official visit there."

[Stuhoo 79,587]

We used a player not being good as a reason to be okay with losing those things.  It seems kind of hypocritical to now use those things to justify a player that's not very good.  If you're using talent as a reason to be okay with losing those things, do not use them as a reason to take a player that won't help from a talent perspective.  It doesn't make sense.

 

No, it's not about a player that brought those things not being here.  It's the double standard, it's the hypocrisy.  Sorry, no.  It's not illegal to be under the scholarship limit, and if there's a key injury we're still screwed even with this guy.

 

 

Excellent point. But while AE was not very good, I can only speak for myself, and I think AE would have been a useful 11th player on next year's team, as long as he was ok with that role.

 

It would also have been hypocritical if Tom Crean did that, but I have no reason to believe that Etherington leaving the team was Tom Crean's idea. I believe that Tom Crean explained to AE the truth; that AE was likely not going to be in the top eight next year, and that AE was not ok with that role.

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"@prepbullseye: After graduating from Illinois St in 3 yrs it looks like Nick Zeisloft could be headed to Indiana Univ. Recently took official visit there."

Thanks for the info Stewie. Rob Judson connection here...

[Stuhoo 79,587]

Thanks for the info Stewie. Rob Judson connection here...

 

Great point. Apparently Nick's personal character has been a very known quantity to the IU staff via first hand experience.

[JSHoosier 19,816]

Excellent point. But while AE was not very good, I can only speak for myself, and I think AE would have been a useful 11th player on next year's team, as long as he was ok with that role.

 

It would also have been hypocritical if Tom Crean did that, but I have no reason to believe that Etherington leaving the team was Tom Crean's idea.

As for experience, he may have a couple years in the MVC but he has as much experience in this system as any of the freshman do.

 

What we know definitively is that he's not very good, and at this level would pretty much just be a warm body.  Being under the scholarship limit isn't a crime, and this guy wouldn't do anything to mitigate an injury so I wouldn't care if it was left open.  Just looks like full on desperation mode IMO.

[Stuhoo 79,587]

As for experience, he may have a couple years in the MVC but he has as much experience in this system as any of the freshman do.

 

What we know definitively is that he's not very good, and at this level would pretty much just be a warm body.  Being under the scholarship limit isn't a crime, and this guy wouldn't do anything to mitigate an injury so I wouldn't care if it was left open.  Just looks like full on desperation mode IMO.

 

Fair enough, but I've played on organized teams when there haven't been enough competent players to have a proper practice. THAT would be inexcusable. 

[KelleyHoosh 2,263]

As for experience, he may have a couple years in the MVC but he has as much experience in this system as any of the freshman do.

 

What we know definitively is that he's not very good, and at this level would pretty much just be a warm body.  Being under the scholarship limit isn't a crime, and this guy wouldn't do anything to mitigate an injury so I wouldn't care if it was left open.  Just looks like full on desperation mode IMO.

Yea, its not a crime, but it also isn't going to hurt to add him. He can teach kids work ethic, he can teach young players about getting in a proper mindset for a big in conference game... not just through words, but through action. Different perspective than a coach, which may hit home more with the players. I'll give you he wasn't very good at Illinois State, sure, but it is no small feat playing at a D1 level. At the least, he offers better competition in practice than just adding a random walk on.

From all accounts he seems like he would be a good representative of Indiana University. Wouldn't hurt to have a successful business man and general good person be a supporter of the program and school.

[BGleas 7,880]

It's fine to add this kid at this point, as long as it's a 1-year scholly. But, it shines a glaring light on our inability to actually add contributors in the spring.

[Crimson and Cream 5,776]

My thoughts on this are similar to most of you. As long as it's for 1 year, I'm all for it. No he isn't a very talented player, pretty similar to AE. But I would rather use the scholly than to not use it at all, and as others have pointed out he could be a great practice player, he has plenty of college experience, and is a very smart kid off the court. Would represent IU well, and would be a good teacher for the young players. Yes it's a bit of a shame that's it's gotten to this point where we are settling for less than average MVC players to fill out our roster, but that doesn't mean just lie down and give up. Take what you can get for a year and I see it as a no-lose situation. Tell me how it can possibly hurt us?

[Walking Boot of Doom 18,170]

Two open scholarship spots and an available grad transfer who will only take up the spot for one year? Better than nothing. Don't know why you wouldn't want to at this point.


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[Stuhoo 79,587]

From the Illinois State message board:

 

http://www.redbirdfan.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=6483&sid=7d34890a5d693fd49394e54cc65efd14

[Hovadipo 54,980]

[quote name="Stuhoo" post="72461" timestamp="1404083295"]From the Illinois State message board:

[url="http://www.redbirdfan.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=6483&sid=7d34890a5d693fd49394e54cc65efd14"]http://www.redbirdfan.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=6483&sid=7d34890a5d693fd49394e54cc65efd14[/url][/quote]

But he sucks and will be tying up a scholarship for 1 year that we won't use anyways and I heard he smells funny and I JUST DON'T WANT HIM.



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[Walking Boot of Doom 18,170]

Like Crean said in his podcast the other day, some players can help the team win without ever scoring a basket.


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