Can Indiana be a consistent winner under Coach Crean?

[Hoosier Cowboy 33]

An no iu can't be a elite program under crean. Yah he might be able to recruit see talent but u have to be able to coach tht talent to be at the top crean will never win a national title cause he doesn't have the coaching ability. Now if crean were able to surround himself with great coaches an take a back seat an let them coach. An let crean be the face an enforcer an motivator of the program he could build something really good at IU. But I don't see tht happening. Crean does a lot of things great but the thing we need him to do really well at he doesn't have it an tht is x an o's


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I think he is capable of a run. He proved that at Marquette. I just want a consistent winner, to be an annual threat. Can he do that here? I just dont know.
Thanks for the response. I love how most on here treat those who have very valid concerns about the program and want to talk about them intelligently are treated like second class fans, trolls, etc. I was a big fan of Crean for several seasons but that changed over the last two seasons. So irs not like i've been a Crean hater from the beginning.

[Hoosier Cowboy 33]

So much negativity lets take a second to look back and see what crean has inheritted came in with no talent ( a walkon point guard starting) in his first year to making great players like zeller believe that we could be winners and having 15 game turn around in 11-12 year beating both #1 and #2 seeds picking him up coach of year award then making it to sweet sixteen that year and next Crean brought indiana back up and gave us all something to be proud of again


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He had so much good will. So much momentum. What the heck happened?

[ccgeneral 38,084]

So much negativity lets take a second to look back and see what crean has inheritted came in with no talent ( a walkon point guard starting) in his first year to making great players like zeller believe that we could be winners and having 15 game turn around in 11-12 year beating both #1 and #2 seeds picking him up coach of year award then making it to sweet sixteen that year and next Crean brought indiana back up and gave us all something to be proud of again


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I think this gets beat to death to. He also inherited a foundation that could practically stand on it's own. If anyone thought this was gonna be an easy ride with the way RMK left I need your Doc's name and what script. He burdens some of the blame to.

[nick242 12]

Im not saying creans perfect but i believe he is great for indiana basketball and tired of the negativity


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[ccgeneral 38,084]

Im not saying creans perfect but i believe he is great for indiana basketball and tired of the negativity


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I still have questions that need answered going forward to get back in the "Elite" status.

[The Ola Depot 1,213]

I stopped coming on here a few weeks after the IU loss to Illinois because I just couldn't stand reading bashing about Crean in every single thread I went into. No matter what it was about. I have slowly eased my way back into the site this month and it's still here even after all those months. People just need to understand that only under few circumstances should you be bashing someone this much after he just brought Indiana back on top. Getting unbearably annoying.


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[Dalton26 16,892]

I don't get where people get that Tom Crean put IU on top. We must have very different definitions of what on top means.


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[All_Hoosiers 873]

Can Indiana be a consistent winner under Crean? Sure. Will it be a consistent winner under Crean? We'll see, maybe.




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[nick242 12]

[quote name="Hoosier Cowboy" post="71637" timestamp="1403662334"]He had so much good will. So much momentum. What the heck happened?[/quote]
Well turnover year lost all our talent takes a year or two to develop new talent


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[Never Daunted 398]

Just my two cents here. Not everyone that posts here or looks at these forums all the time would know that this topic has been hashed out so many times. For the veterans, and I'm still learning who you are, yes it's probably very annoying. But for the casual user, I like reading everyone's input. I don't think Hoosier Cowboy was trying to troll anyone. It will likely continue till the end of time. Someone new-ish will get on here and post the same question, and the thread will eventually go away on it's own. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

[JSHoosier 19,811]

So much negativity lets take a second to look back and see what crean has inheritted came in with no talent ( a walkon point guard starting) in his first year to making great players like zeller believe that we could be winners and having 15 game turn around in 11-12 year beating both #1 and #2 seeds picking him up coach of year award then making it to sweet sixteen that year and next Crean brought indiana back up and gave us all something to be proud of again


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We all appreciate the rebuild, however that does not and should not get him an unlimited leash.  Expectations shifted and now it's not "look what he did" it's "what can he do?".  We have the tradition, we have facilities, we have a good academic institution, we have a passionate fan base, we are located in the heart of a recruiting hotbed.  He has everything he needs, what will limit him is his own ability.  I'm sorry, but I cannot look at any part of his resume and be 100% confident he can do it.  Occasional run?  Sure.  Consistently competing (as the OP asked)?  I don't buy it, hasn't done it in 15 years.

 

I hope he proves us all wrong.  I'll eat crow if he does.  I hope this was a one year blip, and from here on we are in the tournament every single season which should be a bare minimum expectation, but I'm not sold that it was.

[nick242 12]

[quote name="JSHoosier" post="71663" timestamp="1403669052"]We all appreciate the rebuild, however that does not and should not get him an unlimited leash. Expectations shifted and now it's not "look what he did" it's "what can he do?". We have the tradition, we have facilities, we have a good academic institution, we have a passionate fan base, we are located in the heart of a recruiting hotbed. He has everything he needs, what will limit him is his own ability. I'm sorry, but I cannot look at any part of his resume and be 100% confident he can do it. Occasional run? Sure. Consistently competing (as the OP asked)? I don't buy it, hasn't done it in 15 years.

I hope he proves us all wrong. I'll eat crow if he does. I hope this was a one year blip, and from here on we are in the tournament every single season which should be a bare minimum expectation, but I'm not sold that it was.[/quote] like i said crean isnt perfect there is alot more id love to see from him and he embraces the hoosier tradition hes great at recruiting but hes not the greatest in the x's and o's the only downfall but that hopefully will improve also is there really a truelly perfect coach? Creans not the greatest but hes far from the bad


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[JSHoosier 19,811]

like i said crean isnt perfect there is alot more id love to see from him and he embraces the hoosier tradition hes great at recruiting but hes not the greatest in the x's and o's the only downfall but that hopefully will improve also is there really a truelly perfect coach? Creans not the greatest but hes far from the bad


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I don't think he's a great recruiter.  Good?  Yes, but not great.  There's more to recruiting then just getting good players to sign on the dotted line.  The 2012 class outside of one player has been a complete bust, no class balance means a young team which falls on recruiting, and poorly constructed rosters fall on recruiting.  I cannot look at all that and call him a great recruiter, but I will say good.

 

He's paid as a top 10 coach, and he's definitely not a top 10 coach.  We're not getting the return on investment we should be expecting.

[KelleyHoosh 2,263]

Crean got us out of the basement, not to the top. I think he can be a coach who gets us consistent 22-10 type of seasons with occasional down years.

 

Thats not the type of program IU should strive to be though. 

 

Ultimately I don't think anyone here is under the impression he is going to take us to an NCAA championship of even a deep run in the tournament. Because of that belief, there is a very "doom and gloom" aura this offseason. 

 

I'm looking forward to some Hoosier basketball for all the normal reasons one would but also so that there will be less of these threads and more actual basketball discussion. 

We know we are going forward this year with Crean, lets shift discussion from the idea of Crean's future with IU more towards the current roster, recruiting, Big 10 competition than the long term look of the program, etc. Please stop beating a dead horse. For my sanity. 

[Hoosier Cowboy 33]

Some good feedback here guys. I appreciate the discussion. Believe me, I WANT Crean to succeed. And to me, being and annual threat is truly being successful at Indiana if we are honest with ourselves.

Im almost to the point where I would rather have two four star 3/4 year players now than to have one 5 star 1/2 year player. I may create a topic on that tomorrow.

[Walking Boot of Doom 18,170]

[quote name="Hoosier Cowboy" post="71679" timestamp="1403671595"]Some good feedback here guys. I appreciate the discussion. Believe me, I WANT Crean to succeed. And to me, being and annual threat is truly being successful at Indiana if we are honest with ourselves.

Im almost to the point where I would rather have two four star 3/4 year players now than to have one 5 star 1/2 year player. I may create a topic on that tomorrow.[/quote] Please don't. That has also been beat to death.

For anyone new, there is a search function that you can use to look for any threads or topics that have been previously discussed if you want to try to avoid replicating threads. If you search "Crean", you should find plenty of this same inconclusive banter.





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[Jafo71 149]

Good catch, but he was permanently banned before that and only has a viewing option now. Trust me, the other mods were notified of this awhile back.

Thanks for the details CC.

[Chips&Dipo 1,463]

I think people need to realize that IU hasn't really been an elite program in over ten years. To think that it could be done in a couple years seems silly.

 

And as to the coment about Marquette people wanting Crean gone, I had a conversation with a guy who went there that is still mad that Crean left because he wanted him to stay.

 

To put the two comments together, he said he couldn't understand why he would leave Marquette (where he had success) to go to IU when they hadn't really done anything since 2002.

[Walking Boot of Doom 18,170]

[quote name="Andowen1990IU" post="71691" timestamp="1403700969"]I think people need to realize that IU hasn't really been an elite program in over ten years. To think that it could be done in a couple years seems silly.[/quote] This. IU just isn't the same program that was hanging banners frequently under Knight. It may never get back to that point. Coaches like Knight and Coach K don't come around too often.


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[mdn82 25,510]

Honestly, I don't think he can until recruiting class size is stabilized.  We cannot pull Kentucky type talent to have the turnover year in and year out.  Any kid with an opportunity will go pro, but when you are touting the kids behind them as much as the stars, you can't have 2 bad years in a row.  Last year to me was expected.  This year is crucial for Crean's future at IU.  IMO.  Hope they get it done cause things may look great if we pull Thon Maker in 2015 and some of the others we are in on.  I would like 3 and 4 year players like Robert Johnson.  Skilled players who play hard and will develop with proper coaching.  Sprinkle that in with your Noah Vonleh's and Cody Zeller's and we could be consistently good.  These 5 and 6 men classes every year don't allow for development.  How many incoming freshman truly get it out of the gate?  If Will and Vic came in on a normal year would either of them have stayed past their freshman season?  I highly doubt Will would have.