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[IU Hoosier41 14,465]

Saw this posted on another board, this Marquette fan weighs in on Crean leaving for Indiana. The dude is Nostradamus...

http://chriswesthoops.blogspot.com/2008/04/tom-creans-leaving-huh.html?m=1



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[JSHoosier 19,844]

I was on Scout at the time, and the Marquette fans that came over weren't too upset that he was leaving.  One of the things they talked about was the number of defections.

 

I'm far from the biggest Crean fan (obvious from my posts), I think he's a pretty mediocre coach and not good enough for what we should expect, but the guy could probably sell a freezer to an eskimo.

[NotTheReal HoosierHoopster 67]

He's just not a very good basketball coach. He has been described as a salesman who happens to coach basketball. Indiana deserves a better coach than a Crean, Sampson, Davis, etc.

[schoosier 3,455]

This is one of many articles regarding Crean from his time at Marquette and foreshadowing his tenure at IU that are spot on. I believe the IU administration failed us because he is a lousy in game coach as much as Sampson was with his character flaws. The whole hiring process was flawed from the beginning starting with this 10 member committee made up of students, professors, and such to hire our coach. The president has not allowed our athletic director to do his job and find the best coach. One fired Knight and hired the worst coach in program history. The next hand picked his minority coach even though he was a cheater. Then we have a search committee so all is politically correct. Finally, we have a president that gets out of the way and signs off on the worst contract in program history. We just can't get a break, but this unreal 10+ million buyout should have never been allowed and I can only fault the current administration for allowing it.

[Hutch89 2,939]

That's a great article.  Good find!

[djsalway 4,161]

Literally just about every point he made is exactly how we all look at CTC.

[Bigdaddy76 111]

I agree with every post in this thread....Why oh why couldn't someone have interviewed the guy that wrote this story before we hired Crean. It is just uncanny how true all of the things that he wrote in this article are. My dad used to always tell me. A zebra can not change his stripes, and it sure is true in this case.

[323SGrant 1,176]

IMHO, that article sums things up nicely.

[harderhoosier5 37]

I'm tired of everybody complaining about Crean. There's nothing we can do about it so why not support him while he's here. I personally am a supporter of Crean although I will admit he has made a few questionable in game decisions. I think it will only make it worse for our team if we don't support the head coach though


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[mdn82 25,510]

Pretty accurate article.  Going back to the Scout days like JS did, we heard this when he was hired.  At that time people were most excited about him being clean.  We knew our options were limited and had a good idea of who turned us down before we got to Crean.  It wasn't exactly a who's who list behind Crean.  People weren't exactly knocking down the door to take over a team decimated by NCAA Violations and transfers.  Dude was pretty accurate.  I am sure on the way out, someone will write something similar from an IU perspective.  This program and facilities have been upgraded largely in part to Crean.  

[Bigdaddy76 111]

I'm tired of everybody complaining about Crean. There's nothing we can do about it so why not support him while he's here. I personally am a supporter of Crean although I will admit he has made a few questionable in game decisions. I think it will only make it worse for our team if we don't support the head coach though


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There are two schools of thought on that. Yours is one. The other is. Lets cut the cord as soon as we can, so we might actually be able to start the healing earlier. It was kinda the same thing when MD was the coach. He might very well have made a good coach at IU But was anybody really willing to wait around for him to learn on the job. I think that is whats so frustrating to me about TC. If I actually saw any signs that the program was gonna get any better from a coaching philosophy standpoint, I might be inclined to wait a while. But when I see the same things happening over and over again. i.e. Yogi being allowed to drive to the basket and leave his feet and try to find a pass in the air, or being able to actually draw up a play off an in bounds that will score. Those are things that even high school coaches can do. Yet our esteemed leader can not. Those kinds of things drive me and I am sure a lot of others crazy! All you have to do is coach good fundamental basketball. That's what IU fans are used to. That's what IU fans should expect! IMO

[Banksyrules 4,552]

There are two schools of thought on that. Yours is one. The other is. Lets cut the cord as soon as we can, so we might actually be able to start the healing earlier. It was kinda the same thing when MD was the coach. He might very well have made a good coach at IU But was anybody really willing to wait around for him to learn on the job. I think that is whats so frustrating to me about TC. If I actually saw any signs that the program was gonna get any better from a coaching philosophy standpoint, I might be inclined to wait a while. But when I see the same things happening over and over again. i.e. Yogi being allowed to drive to the basket and leave his feet and try to find a pass in the air, or being able to actually draw up a play off an in bounds that will score. Those are things that even high school coaches can do. Yet our esteemed leader can not. Those kinds of things drive me and I am sure a lot of others crazy! All you have to do is coach good fundamental basketball. That's what IU fans are used to. That's what IU fans should expect! IMO

Nicely put.

[harderhoosier5 37]

[quote name="Bigdaddy76" post="61767" timestamp="1398202451"]There are two schools of thought on that. Yours is one. The other is. Lets cut the cord as soon as we can, so we might actually be able to start the healing earlier. It was kinda the same thing when MD was the coach. He might very well have made a good coach at IU But was anybody really willing to wait around for him to learn on the job. I think that is whats so frustrating to me about TC. If I actually saw any signs that the program was gonna get any better from a coaching philosophy standpoint, I might be inclined to wait a while. But when I see the same things happening over and over again. i.e. Yogi being allowed to drive to the basket and leave his feet and try to find a pass in the air, or being able to actually draw up a play off an in bounds that will score. Those are things that even high school coaches can do. Yet our esteemed leader can not. Those kinds of things drive me and I am sure a lot of others crazy! All you have to do is coach good fundamental basketball. That's what IU fans are used to. That's what IU fans should expect! IMO[/quote]
That's fair but I don't see Crean going anywhere unless he has a couple more bad years


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[JSHoosier 19,844]

There are two schools of thought on that. Yours is one. The other is. Lets cut the cord as soon as we can, so we might actually be able to start the healing earlier. It was kinda the same thing when MD was the coach. He might very well have made a good coach at IU But was anybody really willing to wait around for him to learn on the job. I think that is whats so frustrating to me about TC. If I actually saw any signs that the program was gonna get any better from a coaching philosophy standpoint, I might be inclined to wait a while. But when I see the same things happening over and over again. i.e. Yogi being allowed to drive to the basket and leave his feet and try to find a pass in the air, or being able to actually draw up a play off an in bounds that will score. Those are things that even high school coaches can do. Yet our esteemed leader can not. Those kinds of things drive me and I am sure a lot of others crazy! All you have to do is coach good fundamental basketball. That's what IU fans are used to. That's what IU fans should expect! IMO

Little bit of a difference between Davis and Crean.  Davis had never been a head coach before, Crean had 9 years of experience (and overall was pretty underwhelming in those) so he shouldn't have had to learn on the job or at least not nearly as much.

[mark1981 1,340]

[quote name="IU Hoosier41" post="61491" timestamp="1398145575"]Saw this posted on another board, this Marquette fan weighs in on Crean leaving for Indiana. The dude is Nostradamus...

[url="http://chriswesthoops.blogspot.com/2008/04/tom-creans-leaving-huh.html?m=1"]http://chriswesthoops.blogspot.com/2008/04/tom-creans-leaving-huh.html?m=1[/url]



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Wow. That is scary accurate .

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[Naturalhoosier 15,407]

I always try to think in terms of a business. Imagine IUBB as a company. IUBB LLC is rocked by a scandal ( a la Joe Nacchio at Qwest...cheating is cheating).

IU needs a guy who can rally the fan base. Get us back on the map. Here enters our newest CEO, Tom Crean. Because it's Indiana. Because it's Indiana. That still gives me goosebumps regardless of last year. He pumps up the fanbase. Reignites the passion that is IU. He took IU out of the red and into the black with essentially no capital from the onset.

He got us from point A to point B. And did it with grace, style, integrity, and dignity. For that I will be eternally grateful.

However, with that being said, I'm losing faith that he is the guy who will take us to the next level after point B. I believe he was the perfect interim CEO to right the ship.

Regardless I will always be supportive of this CEO.




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[hoosierbgh 1,264]

I too remember the old days after Tom Crean was hired and the hordes of Marquette fans that graced Scout with their presence and there seems to be a lot of revisionism going on here. Those Marquette fans were very upset at losing Crean and took every opportunity to lash out, those that expressed the mostly level headed view that the author of the linked article did were few and far between. The truth of the matter is the only person that accomplished more at Marquette than Tom Crean was Al McGuire and most of the MU fans realized what they were losing which is why so many felt the need to invade IU boards with their vitriol. Those MU fans played the jilted ex role extremely well and it still amazes me how many IU fans on the boards bought so fully into the crap they were spreading 

 

 

Little bit of a difference between Davis and Crean.  Davis had never been a head coach before, Crean had 9 years of experience (and overall was pretty underwhelming in those) so he shouldn't have had to learn on the job or at least not nearly as much.

 

If you are so underwhelmed about Crean's accomplishments then I can't see how you can possibly be excited about any of the prospective replacements that are bandied about who might actually come here.Maybe it is just the "shiny new thing" syndrome. 

 

As for Davis he couldn't and still can't walk and chew gum at the same time when it comes to coaching and additional experience has done nothing to change that. That being said, he shouldn't have been forced out until IU was prepared to replace him with a homerun hire. That is how we ended up with Sampson. 

[Townie 138]

I always try to think in terms of a business. Imagine IUBB as a company. IUBB LLC is rocked by a scandal ( a la Joe Nacchio at Qwest...cheating is cheating).

IU needs a guy who can rally the fan base. Get us back on the map. Here enters our newest CEO, Tom Crean. Because it's Indiana. Because it's Indiana. That still gives me goosebumps regardless of last year. He pumps up the fanbase. Reignites the passion that is IU. He took IU out of the red and into the black with essentially no capital from the onset.

He got us from point A to point B. And did it with grace, style, integrity, and dignity. For that I will be eternally grateful.

However, with that being said, I'm losing faith that he is the guy who will take us to the next level after point B. I believe he was the perfect interim CEO to right the ship.

Regardless I will always be supportive of this CEO.




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Oh, great analogy. Now.. when is the next board meeting? we gotta operate in the best interest of our shareholders and CTC has served his purpose.

[schoosier 3,455]

That's fair but I don't see Crean going anywhere unless he has a couple more bad yearsSent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

Next year will be make or break for Crean. If he doesn't make the NCAA tourney, he will be gone.

[Myrmidon76 614]

The article proves one thing for certain, Crean does not possess the ability to change. This means were will not be seeing any specific setups for our guard heavy lineups next year. I see the same ole "3 up" play being run and (you got it) dribbling, dribbling, dribbling. Turnovers will be down, but not by much. I'll make a wager that our turnover numbers stay static throughout the year...zero improvement. If you are unwilling to change to make things work, you don't win. I hate to reference Knight here, but the man was right when he said "Get me to the FInal Four boys, I'll do the rest". Thats changing to win. Thats success. Do the things that make you successful, but you must change the things that don't. *Total Two-Hand Facepalm*