Kenny Johnson to Louisville

[TheStillman 991]

[q uote name="JSHoosier" post="61463" timestamp="1398138250"]You don't think playing in the NBA would help?[/quote] To be honest I don't think his 80 games spread over 3 seasons in NBA will help. He didn't really experience much success It always rubs me the wrong way that the guy openly promotes himself for the job on twitter while also tweeting multiple times with anti-Crean posts. Just not really someone who I think is ready for prime time as a major D1 assistant Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

[schoosier 3,613]

How hard is it to find another guy good at recruiting? Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app

It will be very difficult as we have not found a suitable head coach in 15 years.

[schoosier 3,613]

I'm glad they weren't around during the Mike Davis era, I would be genuinely concerned for their health. I'm not sure I've ever seen more negative views, it's just an assistant coach. They leave for programs that are doing better all the time, the sky is hardly falling. Poor Dolorous Wayne.

I never thought it could get any worse during the Mike Davis years, and that's how I found the scout site from firemikedavis.com. But imo its much worse now since all we have are excuses for underperforming. We have Cook Hall and Bobby Knight is long gone so its all in place to get back to being one of the top 5 programs in the country. Except for a bonafide championship coach. Most can see what we're missing even if they don't want to admit it; and now you have an AD making the same excuses.

[OliviaPope40 7,025]

It's "The Movement: Part Two" and it's all good. No problems.

Part One didn't pan out so well.

[jayben00 75]

This pisses me off far more than the Etherington/Hollowell transfers etc...... When do we start asking WTH is going on with the program.

 

I believe "nothing" unusal is going on. KJ is building additional perspective from working under a HOF coach; a head coaching position is now in his headlights.

 

The transfers mean little to anyone but the individuals involved. Butler has had 6 (including 1 walkon); I don't see the sky falling there either. I would mention PU's transfers, but who cares.

 

The lemmings are not jumping off the cliff. Follow verbalcommits on twitter and you will witness the constant migration of players across the landscape. I guess its more like the Wildebeest migration on the Serengeti, and some get gobbled up by the crocs (bad influence/decisions) on the way.

[schoosier 3,613]

I believe "nothing" unusal is going on. KJ is building additional perspective from working under a HOF coach; a head coaching position is now in his headlights.
 
The transfers mean little to anyone but the individuals involved. Butler has had 6 (including 1 walkon); I don't see the sky falling there either. I would mention PU's transfers, but who cares.
 
The lemmings are not jumping off the cliff. Follow verbalcommits on twitter and you will witness the constant migration of players across the landscape. I guess its more like the Wildebeest migration on the Serengeti, and some get gobbled up by the crocs (bad influence/decisions) on the way.

If you call job security nothing unusual I would agree. Pitino has it in spades and KJ is capitalizing on his recruiting success by going to a program that is as secure as any in the country. Its easy to understand but I disagree he's leaving for any other reasons other than the obvious pay raise. If what you are saying is correct about working under a HOF coach, then what does that say about ours?

[fivestarhtm 18]

I really hope ur just joking u couldn't be serious with tht statement. Crean hasn't brought indiana basketball back, look where we r now back to rebuilding if he brought us back we would still be competing an not trying to figure out if we r going to fill our roster. An many coaches could have done what crean has done an Stevens in the 6 years crean has been here would have been in the tourney 5 out of the 6 years. An if anyone thinks next year is going to be better have fun. I just feel for yogi an these players.


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[Stuhoo 85,041]

I guess Cheapie's Louisville sources were correct?

 

That Cheapie poster put some of the most miserable, uninformed, unlikable stuff on the IU message boards I have ever read.

 

I'd avoid him if I was you.

[Bowhunter 2,890]

Does Rojo and Troy stay around? This was my question when I first read KJ may leave a week or so ago. KJ leaving is a huge blow to our program.

[Hwy 1 2,053]

I guess Cheapie's Louisville sources were correct?

 

 

Are you saying you're Cheapie? Coz Cheapie was banned at another board so I had no idea what Cheapie's sources said on this matter. Looks like an admission to me.

[CampHoosier 3,697]

I really hope ur just joking u couldn't be serious with tht statement. Crean hasn't brought indiana basketball back, look where we r now back to rebuilding if he brought us back we would still be competing an not trying to figure out if we r going to fill our roster. An many coaches could have done what crean has done an Stevens in the 6 years crean has been here would have been in the tourney 5 out of the 6 years. An if anyone thinks next year is going to be better have fun. I just feel for yogi an these players.


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Brad Stevens. Brad Stevens. Brad Stevens. That's all I could pull from that mess of a post littered with speculations and spelling errors my 3rd grade niece doesn't dare make. So quickly we all forget the TEAM Crean built that turned us around. Were you under a rock between 2008 and 2011? Did you jump on board and buy a "We're back" shirt? 

[Hovadipo 59,101]

[quote name="CampCrean" post="61539" timestamp="1398173420"]Brad Stevens. Brad Stevens. Brad Stevens. That's all I could pull from that mess of a post littered with speculations and spelling errors my 3rd grade niece doesn't dare make. So quickly we all forget the TEAM Crean built that turned us around. Were you under a rock between 2008 and 2011? Did you jump on board and buy a "We're back" shirt? [/quote]

Thank you thank you thank you.


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[WayneFleekHoosier 49,741]

I'm glad they weren't around during the Mike Davis era, I would be genuinely concerned for their health. I'm not sure I've ever seen more negative views, it's just an assistant coach. They leave for programs that are doing better all the time, the sky is hardly falling. Poor Dolorous Wayne.

I was a student at IU Bloomington during the Mike Davis era. Watched the 2002 national championship game on the JumboTron at Assembly Hall. I have always been a huge fan of IU basketball regardless of the coach. I watched every game in the early Crean era.

The sky may not be falling literally but figuratively it has dropped a drastic amount over the past year.

[Bigdaddy76 111]

Brad Stevens. Brad Stevens. Brad Stevens. That's all I could pull from that mess of a post littered with speculations and spelling errors my 3rd grade niece doesn't dare make. So quickly we all forget the TEAM Crean built that turned us around. Were you under a rock between 2008 and 2011? Did you jump on board and buy a "We're back" shirt?

I love how everyone says that Crean brought us back from the dead....But lets be serious! We are freakin Indiana University! It was bound to happen, the school and program sells itself. Remember, Mike Davis took us to the final 4! These people need to take a break with all the back from the ashes crap. Sheesh!

[mdn82 25,765]

How hard is it to find another guy good at recruiting?


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UCLA hired a coach from Park Tudor in Indiana in Ed Schilling.  IU when we hired Kenny we hired an AAU guy with East Coast ties that many people did not like.  I still laugh at the rage on all 4 boards when I consider how dirty everyone said it was just 2 years ago.  I am guessing for recruiting we will get someone with East Coast ties.  

[mdn82 25,765]

It will be very difficult as we have not found a suitable head coach in 15 years.

 

What is suitable for a head coach?  I mean, he isn't going to come in with a title in hand.  Chances are he won't win in the first few years.  How will it be difficult?  I think Kenny was a suitable hire and he was hired 2 years ago as an assistant. 

[mdn82 25,765]

Man some people need to look around at different programs for some form of grounding in this situation.  A successful recruiting coordinator doesn't stay that long.  He moves up so he is closer to a head coach job.  I think Crean who is a solid recruiter long before he came to IU will understand what it takes in a recruiting coordinator to be good.  Just think.  People were pissed when we hired Kenny instead of Calbert.  People wanted to hang Crean from a tree for that one.  I am guessing recruiting won't be our biggest issue STILL.  

[KelleyHoosh 2,263]

I never thought it could get any worse during the Mike Davis years, and that's how I found the scout site from firemikedavis.com. But imo its much worse now since all we have are excuses for underperforming. We have Cook Hall and Bobby Knight is long gone so its all in place to get back to being one of the top 5 programs in the country. Except for a bonafide championship coach. Most can see what we're missing even if they don't want to admit it; and now you have an AD making the same excuses.

Dude... keep it together. Theres no way we are worse than the Davis years right now. We have plenty of talent with good heads on their shoulders on the roster (granted its not evenly spread in terms of across 1-5), but we have talent. Its almost contradictory how you say we are worse than we were then, but that we are only a good head coach away from being top 5 again. 

 

Crean came in and stabilized the program. Was he the only one who could have done it? Hell no. But did he do it? Yea, so there is that to be thankful for. I agree that he is not the man who is going to take IU to the next level... thats obvious really. But don't freak out. Assuming he is out after next year, or in the immediate future, he will have left IU better than he found it. 

 

The real issue to freak out about is the administration making the right hire next IMO.

[schoosier 3,613]

What is suitable for a head coach?  I mean, he isn't going to come in with a title in hand.  Chances are he won't win in the first few years.  How will it be difficult?  I think Kenny was a suitable hire and he was hired 2 years ago as an assistant.

Why say he won't come in with a title in hand or win in the first few years? Imo this is another excuse as to why we can't hire the right coach. It will be difficult to find a suitable replacement for Kenny because Creans longevity is coming to an end that most assistant coaches can see it. I actually thought KJ did a great job and I don't blame him for leaving for greener pastures.

[mdn82 25,765]

I've been around since before Knight was hired and have pretty much seen it all. Crean is mediocre at best. I continue to hope for something better at IU.

 

And that is fair, but losing Kenny is not the end of IU.  We recruited arguably more successful before Kenny got here under Crean. Kenny did fantastic, but he did not bring in Cody, Vic, Will, Wat, Hulls, Yogi, etc….  Coaching may very well be our issue, but recruiting will not be.  This is typical progression of a successful recruiting coordinator.  He was good.  He should get a bump up, but lets not act like recruiting sucked before he got here.