HoosierAloha Posted January 26, 2022 Posted January 26, 2022 6 hours ago, JSHoosier said: Just looking at numbers maybe he has a case, though not first ballot. My problem is this, there are drastically better players left out because of PED connections but Ortiz gets in despite PED connections because the writers always loved him since he kissed their butts as a player. Bonds and Clemens are two of the best players ever but can't get in. Pete Rose is the all time hits leader and is banned. It's a club as much as it is the HOF. You gotta play the game while playing the game to get in. Quote
wirenuts Posted January 26, 2022 Posted January 26, 2022 8 hours ago, JSHoosier said: Just looking at numbers maybe he has a case, though not first ballot. My problem is this, there are drastically better players left out because of PED connections but Ortiz gets in despite PED connections because the writers always loved him since he kissed their butts as a player. Bonds and Clemens are two of the best players ever but can't get in. Pete Rose is the all time hits leader and is banned. Bonds is one of the biggest assholes in MLB history so I can see why writers didn't feel as though he should get extra credit. I dont know about Clemens. I do remember reading tbat Rose had signed papers that effectively banned him and that's why he isnt under consideration If they are letting anybody with any steroids in whatsoever. then Rose should be let in there Quote
wirenuts Posted January 26, 2022 Posted January 26, 2022 which I dont really have a problem with bonds or clemens in the hall, although I do have an issue with bonds being considered as the home run king. Quote
JSHoosier Posted January 26, 2022 Posted January 26, 2022 1 hour ago, wirenuts said: Bonds is one of the biggest assholes in MLB history so I can see why writers didn't feel as though he should get extra credit. I dont know about Clemens. I do remember reading tbat Rose had signed papers that effectively banned him and that's why he isnt under consideration If they are letting anybody with any steroids in whatsoever. then Rose should be let in there I guarantee you there are a lot of assholes in the HoF already, and I have doubts on Clemens being a nice guy. PEDs are either a line or not; if they are then no way does Ortiz belong and if they're not then Clemens etc should be inducted. Rose bet on baseball, unless you want to get into Black Sox territory that has less impact on the game than steroids. Quote
wirenuts Posted January 26, 2022 Posted January 26, 2022 12 minutes ago, JSHoosier said: I guarantee you there are a lot of assholes in the HoF already, and I have doubts on Clemens being a nice guy. PEDs are either a line or not; if they are then no way does Ortiz belong and if they're not then Clemens etc should be inducted. Rose bet on baseball, unless you want to get into Black Sox territory that has less impact on the game than steroids. I dont disagree, however writers obviously felt like the 2003 report on Ortiz didn't carry the same weight as the Mitchell report. It should have been delegated by MLB, not writers/voters anyways. Selig turned a blind eye for years...and he is in so I guess they should be in too. Calling Bonds the home run king is something I will never do though. thats my personal line, not that my opinion does/should make a difference Quote
LIHoosier Posted February 10, 2022 Posted February 10, 2022 Officially no more pitchers striking out and sacrifice bunting. Unfortunately no more Bartolo moments [emoji3064]https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/columnist/bob-nightengale/2022/02/10/mlb-lockout-news-universal-dh-agreed-upon-sides-talk-saturday/6734986001/Sent from my SM-G960U using Tapatalk Quote
LamarCheeks Posted February 10, 2022 Posted February 10, 2022 4 minutes ago, LIHoosier said: Officially no more pitchers striking out and sacrifice bunting. Unfortunately no more Bartolo moments https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/columnist/bob-nightengale/2022/02/10/mlb-lockout-news-universal-dh-agreed-upon-sides-talk-saturday/6734986001/ Sent from my SM-G960U using Tapatalk It also means our very own Kyle Schwarber is now eligible to play in both leagues. LOL! Hovadipo and LIHoosier 1 1 Quote
Hovadipo Posted February 10, 2022 Posted February 10, 2022 25 minutes ago, LIHoosier said: Officially no more pitchers striking out and sacrifice bunting. Unfortunately no more Bartolo moments https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/columnist/bob-nightengale/2022/02/10/mlb-lockout-news-universal-dh-agreed-upon-sides-talk-saturday/6734986001/ Sent from my SM-G960U using Tapatalk I know a lot of people aren't, but I'm fired up for the universal DH. Quote
JSHoosier Posted February 10, 2022 Posted February 10, 2022 31 minutes ago, LIHoosier said: Officially no more pitchers striking out and sacrifice bunting. Unfortunately no more Bartolo moments https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/columnist/bob-nightengale/2022/02/10/mlb-lockout-news-universal-dh-agreed-upon-sides-talk-saturday/6734986001/ Sent from my SM-G960U using Tapatalk Finally. RaceToTheTop 1 Quote
Naturalhoosier Posted February 11, 2022 Author Posted February 11, 2022 Boo! I enjoy the pitcher hitting. Ah well. HoosierAloha 1 Quote
HoosierAloha Posted February 11, 2022 Posted February 11, 2022 7 minutes ago, Naturalhoosier said: Boo! I enjoy the pitcher hitting. Ah well. More time for pitchers to hit the links! Naturalhoosier 1 Quote
NashvilleHoosier Posted February 11, 2022 Posted February 11, 2022 21 hours ago, Hovadipo said: I know a lot of people aren't, but I'm fired up for the universal DH. Me too. Though a part of me did enjoy the additional strategy involved in a pitcher hitting, I think this is long overdue and what is best for the sport. I can't think of any other sport where all teams are competing on the same level, same field, and for the same prize, but there is one drastically different rule between the 2 conferences making up the league. Hovadipo 1 Quote
LamarCheeks Posted February 11, 2022 Posted February 11, 2022 This is kinda funny. Gonna be missing a lot of excitement! HoosierAloha 1 Quote
Rico Posted February 14, 2022 Posted February 14, 2022 On 2/11/2022 at 1:05 PM, NashvilleHoosier said: Me too. Though a part of me did enjoy the additional strategy involved in a pitcher hitting, I think this is long overdue and what is best for the sport. I can't think of any other sport where all teams are competing on the same level, same field, and for the same prize, but there is one drastically different rule between the 2 conferences making up the league. I wish the DH would have never came about. Quote
LamarCheeks Posted February 15, 2022 Posted February 15, 2022 Zim played high school ball about 6 miles from where I live. His mom has MS, so he made that the focus of his foundation and has been heavily involved in work with that disease. Pretty good player. Even better person. Happy trails ... Class of '66 Old Fart and Rico 2 Quote
NashvilleHoosier Posted February 15, 2022 Posted February 15, 2022 22 hours ago, Rico said: I wish the DH would have never came about. I would have been fine with that too. The two leagues being the same is what makes the most sense. But in reality, in this day and age, the game needs hitters, not pitchers hitting. The irony there is that the game has evolved to where you can keep your spot in the lineup if you hit .180 as long as you hit 40 home runs. I'll also never for the life of me understand why MLB pitchers are so collectively bad at hitting. I don't expect them to be one of the best hitters on the team, but it amazes me just how many MLB pitchers are just completely inept in the batter's box. Rico 1 Quote
Rico Posted February 26, 2022 Posted February 26, 2022 Lockout news: https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/mlb-lockout-commissioner-rob-manfred-meets-with-mlbpa-boss-tony-clark-progress-made-in-one-area/ Quote
LamarCheeks Posted March 1, 2022 Posted March 1, 2022 I've been watching baseball for nearly 50 years. As far as sports go -- it was my first love. But honestly, I've had just about enough. And this is just more than a grumpy old guy saying "get off my lawn." Pitchers having to face a certain number of batters. Managers and catchers can only visit the mound so many times. Runners starting on second base in extra innings. Playing 7-inning games. It's just become so ridiculous. And now this ... They've had three months to figure this out. I'm just finding it real hard to give a sh-t anymore ... Naturalhoosier 1 Quote
NashvilleHoosier Posted March 1, 2022 Posted March 1, 2022 In my opinion there is no sport that is less self-aware than baseball. Not sure who is most to blame during the current lockout b/c I honestly don't care, but baseball just insists on getting in its own way. They could have owned the summer of 2020 while everyone was home during the worst of COVID lockdowns....could have played day game after day game where young kids could watch with their parents......ah, whatever, that's done and gone. Anyway, for a sport that needs exactly zero things to get in its way, it sure finds plenty of things to get in the way. Hovadipo and LIHoosier 2 Quote
LamarCheeks Posted March 1, 2022 Posted March 1, 2022 Hmmm... It's too bad nobody can come up with a number between 675 and 725. Guess that's too high on the thinking scale ... Quote
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