Wrong decision years ago?

[KingPG21 6,587]

I wasnt super heavy into IU basketball when crean got hired and the whole debacle that was when they were trying to find someone. I just find it funny no one thought he was this bad last year, or least way less haters last year. Heck even game to game he was considered a coaching genius, then the next he needs fired. Im not happy how this program was this year but, Im just baffled at all the comments I see on here and other sites. 

I don't recall anyone calling the guy a "coaching genius". There were plenty of people skeptical of the guy as well. Just so happens they were outnumbered and out voiced, shouted would be a better word, by his supporters. 

[FortWayneHoosier 6,327]

I don't recall anyone calling the guy a "coaching genius". There were plenty of people skeptical of the guy as well. Just so happens they were outnumbered and out voiced, shouted would be a better word, by his supporters. 

I saw that "genius" on another forum when we beat Wisky this year at home 

[KingPG21 6,587]

I saw that "genius" on another forum when we beat Wisky this year at home 

That is weird. I'm more use to seeing other Hoosier fans lose their mind at how we struggle against zone defenses from time to time. And of course they seem to want to put 100% of the blame on one person for that

[schoosier 3,532]

I don't recall anyone calling the guy a "coaching genius". There were plenty of people skeptical of the guy as well. Just so happens they were outnumbered and out voiced, shouted would be a better word, by his supporters.

Agree, Crean has had many skeptics since day one 1 when he used the dribble dive offense when the team comprised of walk ons. The excuse was he was teaching the team the offense that would be run to perfection later on in his tenure. Well, year six has passed and we are a long way from perfection yet our offense is still as bad as from the start. I knew we were in trouble by using wins as a gage. Year 1 6 wins. Year 2 ten wins and year 3 twelve wins. This was when he could prove he could win more with less and he failed. 2013-14 was another like his first 3. Last year was a disappointment because he had the talent to win it all and could not get to the final four. Bobby Knight never had 4 1000 point scores on his team and won 3 ncaa champs. There have been many doubters but we were all labled as haters.

[CampHoosier 3,697]

Skeptics sure were quiet the majority of last season until we lost to Cuse. Didn't see many nay-sayers when We beat UM and MSU twice. I love that people chime in now like they knew all along, yet last year believe Crean's team he assembled and called the plays for should have won the whole thing. I don't buy it. Sorry. 

[colonel06 1,921]

Vic, Cody, Jordan, Wat along with a more motivated (or something) Will covered a lot of ills but even then with the best  cast of players the coaching was suspect as it showed in last quarter of year when we hould have been playing at the highest level.

[FortWayneHoosier 6,327]

I guess my point is, when we were winning games and doing great no one said a word about tom crean. Now that weve had a bad season everyone is saying hes the worst coach ever lol. I understand the blame is to be put on the coach, but when you guys that cant dribble well, travel, and turn the ball over constantly, the problem is with the players; youve been playing basketball at a competitive level since you could  walk and you cant shoot a free throw, or hit a jumpshot, thats the players problem.

[Rayl 527]

I guess my point is, when we were winning games and doing great no one said a word about tom crean. Now that weve had a bad season everyone is saying hes the worst coach ever lol. I understand the blame is to be put on the coach, but when you guys that cant dribble well, travel, and turn the ball over constantly, the problem is with the players; youve been playing basketball at a competitive level since you could  walk and you cant shoot a free throw, or hit a jumpshot, thats the players problem.

 

I disagree. Crean recruited those guys. He knew they were athletes that had a ways to go with their basketball skills. He took them thinking that he could get them to improve. Crean wanted athletes, so he was willing to overlook other flaws in the players' games. It didn't work out well this season. That's on Crean.

[ebridges24 2,449]

Don't want to offend anyone but virginia under Bennett went to the tourney once in 2012 and lost 71-45 to Florida. He still has yet to win a game in the tourney at UVA. Let's relax on anointing him as the next great coach.


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And see if he can make it to a Sweet 16, I don't see it happening.

[AJmoye 0]

It's great to see Alford having huge success and UCLA but it hurts to think we couldn't have made that hire post-Sampson. He's a Hoosier at heart and he can obviously succeed with big programs, how the boosters at the university didn't make that happen and turned their back on Mr Hoosier himself absolutely stumps me and makes me think "IU people" weren't behind the final decision...


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[Str8Hoosiers 2,965]

I disagree... I think the exact rigt decision was made.... He did exactly what we wanted him to do, and I am not sure how many others could have accomplished what he has.

 

I hope 5/6 years from now I can look back and say teh decision we make this year or next was another good one!!

[FortWayneHoosier 6,327]

I disagree. Crean recruited those guys. He knew they were athletes that had a ways to go with their basketball skills. He took them thinking that he could get them to improve. Crean wanted athletes, so he was willing to overlook other flaws in the players' games. It didn't work out well this season. That's on Crean.

I agree with you 100 percent. Never looked at it like that. I just feel like it doesnt matter if you are athletic or not, fundamentals come first, those kids have no business being on the court without fundamentals. Youre right though he did go for athleticism and it didnt work 

[IU Hoosier41 14,465]

[quote name="schoosier" post="49079" timestamp="1395060419"]Wrong decisions are what's been the only constant from the IU administration.
1. Super duper probation the General was placed under.
2. Making Davis head coach after interim. The worst decision out of all of them.
3. Hiring Sampson when he was on probation at Oklahoma. 2nd worst decision.
4. Giving Crean the ridiculous 10 year contract. NCAA champinship coaches should only be so lucky.

Myles Brand targeted Knight as his legacy to ascend to the presidency of the NCAA. Adam Herbert targeted Davis and Sampson because of their minority status and had his yes man Greenspan who should have counseled him to avoid both. Glass being an attorney baffles me with his decision on Creans contract. I don't know much about McRobbie but he signed off on it. There in a nutshell is how you completely dismantle a top athletic program in 14 years. When will a right decision be made?[/quote]

It's been disassembled long before those instances. Knight was crap his final 7 seasons.


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[JSHoosier 20,873]

6 years ago IU should have hired a coach who had been to a final 4 with a mid major, developed a no name into an NBA superstar and been groomed underneath one of best coaches in country.

Oh wait, that's what IU did!


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Now go back and look at Crean's other 8 years at Marquette and see what he did.  I'll give you a hint, he didn't do anything.

 

He's a great saleman and was able to sale people on the only good year he had there, in 9 years.

[Rayl 527]

It's been disassembled long before those instances. Knight was crap his final 7 seasons.


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If Knight was crap those seasons, what does that make Crean now? 5 of those seasons, we won 20 games. We won 19 the other two. In all of those seasons but one the team finished with an above .500 record in the conference. And, in that one off season, they were exactly .500.

 

Those seasons weren't up to the high standards that Knight had previously set, but that crap is looking a lot better than what we have now.

[TheStillman 991]

Now go back and look at Crean's other 8 years at Marquette and see what he did.  I'll give you a hint, he didn't do anything.

 

He's a great saleman and was able to sale people on the only good year he had there, in 9 years.

 

Went to the NCAAs and had 20 wins 5 of 9 years, finished top 5 in a loaded Big East all 3 years after Marquette joined the conference, left his best team since the Final Four squad in 2008-09 to come to IU.  

 

Was the right hand man to Tom Izzo and widely considered responsible for assembling and developing the players that won a title at State in 2000.

 

Not saying anything everyone here doesn't know but just highlighting that when you look at candidates for IU all of the shiny new objects look great, but Crean had a very good resume coming to IU as well and out of all the mistakes made by IU admins hiring Crean is not one of them.  

 

Hindsight is 20-20 as they say and the flavor of the week right now is that Crean was not a hire worthy of Indiana.  Well his resume says different and I would bet that if he was gone tomorrow we'd end up hiring someone with a similar resume coming to IU.  Not saying they wouldn't do better just talking on paper resume.  

[HoosierAloha 30,077]

A lot of fans wanted the same thing coach wanted. I don't know how many times I read that Matty Roth, Jordy, CWat, and others were not athletic enough. I know the staff couldn't make those guys more athletic so I'd like to see if they can make these athletes into ball players.


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[JSHoosier 20,873]

Went to the NCAAs and had 20 wins 5 of 9 years, finished top 5 in a loaded Big East all 3 years after Marquette joined the conference, left his best team since the Final Four squad in 2008-09 to come to IU.  

 

Was the right hand man to Tom Izzo and widely considered responsible for assembling and developing the players that won a title at State in 2000.

 

Not saying anything everyone here doesn't know but just highlighting that when you look at candidates for IU all of the shiny new objects look great, but Crean had a very good resume coming to IU as well and out of all the mistakes made by IU admins hiring Crean is not one of them.  

 

Hindsight is 20-20 as they say and the flavor of the week right now is that Crean was not a hire worthy of Indiana.  Well his resume says different and I would bet that if he was gone tomorrow we'd end up hiring someone with a similar resume coming to IU.  Not saying they wouldn't do better just talking on paper resume.  

5 of 9 means he missed the NCAAs just under half the time.  His follow up to the Final Four?  Two straight NITs, then couldn't get past the second round.  The best he ever did in the Big East was tied for 4th, and he only won CUSA once.  Never showed an ability to maintain success and his winning percentage was merely decent.

 

That's not 'very good'.

[KelleyHoosh 2,263]

There is a saying in coaching about making chicken salad out of chicken ... "feathers." Last year Crean had very good pieces and for most of the year put out a good product. Of course, it doesn't matter since it was stopped short in the sweet 16. However this year after losing many pieces, we learned he didn't have many of the same quality pieces and was unable to coach them up. That shows more of his coaching ability than the sweet 16 seasons have. Give most competent coaches Oladipo, Zeller, Wat, etc and they'll make a sweet 16. Given the pieces we had this year, we should have definitely at minimum made the NCAAs. It exposed Crean's inability to coach the boys up and thats what a lot of guys are complaining about. I'm hoping that Crean can get it together next year, coach the boys up and then reload the program with gems.

[CampHoosier 3,697]

It's great to see Alford having huge success and UCLA but it hurts to think we couldn't have made that hire post-Sampson. He's a Hoosier at heart and he can obviously succeed with big programs, how the boosters at the university didn't make that happen and turned their back on Mr Hoosier himself absolutely stumps me and makes me think "IU people" weren't behind the final decision...


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Alford has a lot more baggage than Sampson did. Trust me, he wasa great player but the decsions he has made in his coaching career have been shady at best. Not what you want for a program who was slapped with sanctions 6 years ago