(2016) SG Eron Gordon to Seton Hall

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Rabby just posted on Twitter about the one school that's out in front in the recruiting race for Gordon. I don't subscribe to Peegs, so I couldn't read the article. Anybody see it?

It was seton hall. They are leading right now

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Really it all comes down to how Crean explained to Eron that we needed to pursue Brown and Kegler

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Indpls. Cathedral defeated Indpls. Howe led by Gordon's 27 points on 9 of 20 shooting; 3 of the 9 were 3's.  Next game 12/12 vs. Lawrence Central.

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The Gordon watch continues.  Any new chatter?

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New player in the mix...

 

Sam Snelling @SamSnellingRMN

Recruiting update post coming tomorrow; in the meantime heard things went well with Eron Gordon & Mizzou and they’re getting involved

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On 12/8, Cathedral defeated Warren Central 75 - 67.  Gordon the leading scorer with 28 pts. on 9 of 13 from the field; 5 of 7 on 3's.

 

Entire game can be watched on youtube.

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Starting to heat up...

 

Jeff Borzello 

 

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Ole Miss watched unsigned senior guard Eron Gordon yesterday. One of the better scorers still on the market.

 

 

 

Brian Snow also had a Scout piece on him, but it's behind a pay wall.

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Erons recruitment is all over the place. Will be interesting to see where he lands....

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He plays against Kyle guy in the 5th game of forum tipoff classic.

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Neddenriep piece in the Indpls. Star:  http://www.indystar.com/story/sports/high-school/hs-blog/2015/12/14/new-schools-showing-interest-in-cathedral-senior-eron-gordon/77288596/

 

Gordon's had officials to Nevada and Seton Hall.  Missouri and Ole Miss have watched; Maryland and Oregon to make visits before year end.   Says likely wait until spring to decide.  No mention of us in the article.  Seems whatever interest both sides may have had at one time has totally evaporated.

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Neddenriep piece in the Indpls. Star:  http://www.indystar.com/story/sports/high-school/hs-blog/2015/12/14/new-schools-showing-interest-in-cathedral-senior-eron-gordon/77288596/

 

Gordon's had officials to Nevada and Seton Hall.  Missouri and Ole Miss have watched; Maryland and Oregon to make visits before year end.   Says likely wait until spring to decide.  No mention of us in the article.  Seems whatever interest both sides may have had at one time has totally evaporated.

No surprise with interest from those programs. Why wait on ice for Indiana when he has Maryland and Oregon actively recruiting him?

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Kinda surprised how his recruiting has played out. Its become nation wide.

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I still think there's a solid chance he ends up at IU.

 

I really think he's keeping a close eye on what happens at IU. He knows that he's not priority #1 for Crean, but that IU will probably have some attrition this year and that there will be openings at the guard spots. He also likely knows who Crean is recruiting and that if Crean strikes out on Rawle or a couple other guys, he might be next in-line.

 

Furthermore, Gordon isn't stupid. He knows Crean is definitely on the hot seat and that there just might me a new coach on the sidelines in the Spring. And that potential new coach just MIGHT need a couple of players to fill out his roster. And again, there will likely be guard spots available on the team. But Gordon is covering his bases for every possibility. As he should.

 

But I have nothing to base this off of except past logic and a gut feeling.

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I still think there's a solid chance he ends up at IU.

 

I really think he's keeping a close eye on what happens at IU. He knows that he's not priority #1 for Crean, but that IU will probably have some attrition this year and that there will be openings at the guard spots. He also likely knows who Crean is recruiting and that if Crean strikes out on Rawle or a couple other guys, he might be next in-line.

 

Furthermore, Gordon isn't stupid. He knows Crean is definitely on the hot seat and that there just might me a new coach on the sidelines in the Spring. And that potential new coach just MIGHT need a couple of players to fill out his roster. And again, there will likely be guard spots available on the team. But Gordon is covering his bases for every possibility. As he should.

 

But I have nothing to base this off of except past logic and a gut feeling.

I agree with everything you said.  I was going to post almost the exact same thing, but you beat me to it.  

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I still think there's a solid chance he ends up at IU.

 

I really think he's keeping a close eye on what happens at IU. He knows that he's not priority #1 for Crean, but that IU will probably have some attrition this year and that there will be openings at the guard spots. He also likely knows who Crean is recruiting and that if Crean strikes out on Rawle or a couple other guys, he might be next in-line.

 

Furthermore, Gordon isn't stupid. He knows Crean is definitely on the hot seat and that there just might me a new coach on the sidelines in the Spring. And that potential new coach just MIGHT need a couple of players to fill out his roster. And again, there will likely be guard spots available on the team. But Gordon is covering his bases for every possibility. As he should.

 

But I have nothing to base this off of except past logic and a gut feeling.

Yeah, but none of that really answers why IU and not anywhere else.

 

He just picked up interest from Oregon and Maryland. Two top-25 (or higher) schools who expect to have their coach next year and can tell him today almost all of the kids he is going to play with. So, outside of proximity to home, what does he gain by sticking with a school which, at best, is going through a coaching transition? A school with no clue who will be playing there next year?

 

And how long is he willing to wait? Does he commit to us and gamble he won't play for Crean or will be playing for a coach he'll like? Does he wait until spring and have his spot filled on other teams?

 

If he gets a Maryland offer, he should accept it without hesitation. It's without a doubt the better move for his development and his goals. Probably the same story with Oregon, though there is more to look at there. Though, if he isn't at Indiana, I would love to have him at Oregon, so that part may be a little bias.

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Seems very similar to the situation here when brother Eric was thinking about where to commit. It would make a lot of sense to wait this out and not commit to a school if a coaching change here might change your mind.

He is not ranked nearly as high as Eric was so his decisions may be limited to having a few less options but I am sure he remembers what the family went through after leaving Illinois

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Yeah, but none of that really answers why IU and not anywhere else.

 

He just picked up interest from Oregon and Maryland. Two top-25 (or higher) schools who expect to have their coach next year and can tell him today almost all of the kids he is going to play with. So, outside of proximity to home, what does he gain by sticking with a school which, at best, is going through a coaching transition? A school with no clue who will be playing there next year?

 

And how long is he willing to wait? Does he commit to us and gamble he won't play for Crean or will be playing for a coach he'll like? Does he wait until spring and have his spot filled on other teams?

 

If he gets a Maryland offer, he should accept it without hesitation. It's without a doubt the better move for his development and his goals. Probably the same story with Oregon, though there is more to look at there. Though, if he isn't at Indiana, I would love to have him at Oregon, so that part may be a little bias.

 

I think Eron has always shown a heavy interest in IU. Both of his brothers went here and he got to witness first-hand how Eric was treated as a star. He's visited IU so many times that we probably can't even count. IU offered him a scholarship early in his high school career. He was viewed as an IU lean for several years. I think it's clear that he always viewed IU favorably.

 

Of course, that is the past. But I'd say he's put more time and effort into looking at IU than any other school. And it's probably not even close. Perhaps there's been a parting of the ways between he and Crean... I don't know. I doubt it, though. But it seems like random schools are now popping up on his list. Almost without any noticeable rhyme or reason to the regular public. I guarantee you that his familiarity with these schools is limited, so he'll probably want to look more into them, hence the spring signing. To me, this represents the thought process of "IU may not work out, so what else is out there?" Of course, he may fall in love with Maryland or Oregon. And if he does, great for him!

 

However, I think the #1 thing kids want these days is playing time. Who he's playing with (or even for what coach, in some situations) may not make a difference if he just likes the school straight-up and knows he'll get a chance to play. Would he feel that way with Maryland or Oregon? I can't answer that.

 

Also, read this snippet from Steve Jones from Courier-Journal from 06/11/14:

 

"Evan, who is helping his brother with his recruitment, said it would be "cool" and "great" if Eron decides to follow in his brothers' footsteps and play at IU, too.

 

"I'd never rule out a school that I think is a great school," said Evan, who earned a master's degree in sports administration at IU and is now pursuing a career as a sport agent.

 

"The athletic department, the coaching staff (are good). I liked (assistant) coach (Kenny) Johnson before he left and went to Louisville," he said. "(Assistant Tim) Buckley, I worked with him very closely when I was there.

 

"The coaching situation might change... it all just depends on the coaching situation and who's coming back and who's leaving. It all just depends on that."

 

You could look into that quote several different ways. Maybe they're saying if Crean (or other assistants) leave, they are no longer interested. But they might also be saying that an even better situation might arise? I don't know. But they know the coaching situation is fluid in Bloomington and that MIGHT be a reason why they're waiting until Spring to sign because they want to see what happens.

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I think you're viewing this through crimson colored glasses.

 

I think Eron has always shown a heavy interest in IU. Both of his brothers went here and he got to witness first-hand how Eric was treated as a star. He's visited IU so many times that we probably can't even count. IU offered him a scholarship early in his high school career. He was viewed as an IU lean for several years. I think it's clear that he always viewed IU favorably.

Totally true. I think Eron is certainly interested and I know he has spent more time here than anywhere else. I have mentioned on this site before, I used to yell things we loved about him during Evan's games and I spotted him at games all the time. I think he has had a heavy interest in Indiana and definitely did a couple years ago when Evan was playing.

 

He witnessed how Eric was treated as a star (just caught a Pelicans game with an alumni friend and we talked about how in awe people used to be of him) but he also witnessed how Evan was not treated particularly well (I seem to recall booing his season and a fanbase very critical of Evan for not being Eric).

 

 

Of course, that is the past. But I'd say he's put more time and effort into looking at IU than any other school. And it's probably not even close. Perhaps there's been a parting of the ways between he and Crean... I don't know. I doubt it, though. But it seems like random schools are now popping up on his list. Almost without any noticeable rhyme or reason to the regular public. I guarantee you that his familiarity with these schools is limited, so he'll probably want to look more into them, hence the spring signing. To me, this represents the thought process of "IU may not work out, so what else is out there?" Of course, he may fall in love with Maryland or Oregon. And if he does, great for him!

See, and you lose me a little here. You're talking about familiarity and sunk time costs, not about actually liking the school. Just because he's put a lot of time into looking at the school, doesn't mean he considers it the best school. He received an early offer, we had his brothers, and we were the only top program looking into him for years. Naturally, he would lean toward us over the level of other schools interested in him. Why choose Memphis or Auburn over Indiana in almost any circumstance? So, until other schools took notice of him, he didn't have anyone else to take notice of. This is like dating a girl for a long-time because she's pretty and maybe you have some other girls show interest in you but they aren't as pretty and you're familiar with your gf. Yeah, you might lean towards her until some of your gf's friends from the popular table start showing interest, but it'd be crazy for you not to hear them out too. And maybe familiarity isn't quite as fun and exciting as new and at the top of the social strata. And maybe you have to hang around for half a season before you get any boob, but the delay is probably worth it. Also, you have to marry whatever girl you choose. Forgot to mention that.

 

Actually, you're your girlfriend's backup plan in case the guys she is pursuing don't work out. Because she's trying to marry the best person she can too, and you both have been told by independent raters, you might not be it.

 

So yeah, we're familiar to him and that's great if he has to choose tomorrow. But, he has time to become familiar with Maryland and Oregon and whomever else too. And maybe it won't be as familiar, but how many games and practices do you need to see before you know it's a better fit? He doesn't have to fall in love, he has to prefer them to what is familiar.

 

This is the thought process of "I'm uncommitted and graduating soon. Teams are looking at me as a desirable piece to their offense and the school I'm most familiar with seems to be keeping me as a backup plan. Maybe I should become familiar with a school who actually wants me." 

 

 

However, I think the #1 thing kids want these days is playing time. Who he's playing with (or even for what coach, in some situations) may not make a difference if he just likes the school straight-up and knows he'll get a chance to play. Would he feel that way with Maryland or Oregon? I can't answer that.

That is objectively untrue. Almost any of our players could get more PT at a smaller school but they chose Indiana for other reasons including who they're playing with and absolutely 100% the coach. All recruits base their decision on who will pretty much be the guy controlling their lives in college. If you can get 35 minutes a game with a dick who can't teach you the game versus 15 minutes with Brad Stevens, you take Brad Stevens almost every time. What's the most important skill people cite for Coach Cal? Player management. Coaching is massive. Our recruiting is dead in the water because recruits don't know who will be the coach next year and aren't going to commit to playing for a stranger.

 

 

Also, read this snippet from Steve Jones from Courier-Journal from 06/11/14:

 

"Evan, who is helping his brother with his recruitment, said it would be "cool" and "great" if Eron decides to follow in his brothers' footsteps and play at IU, too.

 

"I'd never rule out a school that I think is a great school," said Evan, who earned a master's degree in sports administration at IU and is now pursuing a career as a sport agent.

 

"The athletic department, the coaching staff (are good). I liked (assistant) coach (Kenny) Johnson before he left and went to Louisville," he said. "(Assistant Tim) Buckley, I worked with him very closely when I was there.

 

"The coaching situation might change... it all just depends on the coaching situation and who's coming back and who's leaving. It all just depends on that."

 

You could look into that quote several different ways. Maybe they're saying if Crean (or other assistants) leave, they are no longer interested. But they might also be saying that an even better situation might arise? I don't know. But they know the coaching situation is fluid in Bloomington and that MIGHT be a reason why they're waiting until Spring to sign because they want to see what happens.

That quote is 18 months old while he had minimal interest if any from other high major programs. Also, I can't actually tell who is saying it, isn't it a quote from Evan? Does it switch to Eron at some point? Also, the "who's coming back and who's leaving" refers to the other players not coaches. As I stated earlier, this quote supports my proposition that coaching and other players are more important than PT.

 

Why is waiting to see how our coaching situation works out more likely than waiting until spring because he has recently had high major interest and he wants to take the time to get familiar with them before committing?

 

You seem to believe Eron Gordon is firmly ours and absolutely adores this program and everyone else has to convince him not to choose us. When, all the latest recruiting news indicates we've been giving him the cold shoulder regardless of his feelings and everyone else just has to convince him to choose them. We've already convinced him not to make us his first choice when we didn't make him our first choice. I haven't seen anything indicating we are even still pursuing him more than casually as a second thought.

 

If we're going to spurn him, then he deserves somewhere better.

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Wow Martin, I've seen research papers shorter and less detailed than that. Even I couldn't read ALL of it.

Congrats on dedication. Impressive.

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MartintheMopMan,

 

Appreciate the reply! I'm not sure I have crimson-colored glasses anymore, as much as it pains me to say.

 

I guess what I am trying to say (without being disrespectful to the current coaching staff) is that Gordon might be waiting to see if there's a new IU coaching staff on the bench come spring time. And that might be his opportunity to finally come to IU. I just have a hard time believing that this guy who has spent so much time on IU's campus and has so many IU ties wouldn't pick IU if he had the true and fair opportunity. So, yes, I would guess that IU would be his preferred destination with everything being equal. But that's just my opinion and I could be completely wrong.

 

I'll argue that Gordon was being heavily recruited by Butler, Purdue and Arizona State earlier in his career as well. So it was more than just IU giving him attention.

 

But again, I have no clue. Gordon might hate IU now. And believe it or not, it really doesn't matter to me. But the fact that he is opening up his recruitment to new schools seems to tell me that his recruitment is turning out differently than he had planned. A lot differently. And it used to look like (from public perception) that IU was clearly in the driver's seat. Obviously, Crean doesn't like him too much. Yet if Crean isn't here in April but Gordon is still available...

 

Anyway, just my thoughts. Appreciate the back-and-forth.