Fire Moren

[Stuhoo]

2 minutes ago, HoosierHoopster said:

This is really kind of easy to look up right? You know I respect your posting so don’t take that the wrong way but this is legitimately a very strong class as every write up on it indicates 

—4 key ranked players— Gigi Battle, A James, Addison Nyemchek, Zoe Jackson— that’s real balance, 2 guards, wing and center
—Top 6 class rank overall, top 2 in the B1G 

— That’s always generally an unknown but these 4 are literally the best incoming class the program has ever had, as highly ranked and very successful HS players and importantly— they bring the type of athleticism and size IU women have been lacking.

Coupled with all of our best current players except Czieski ar sophomores/frosh.

Moren says she hasn’t forgotten how to coach. Well she’s gonna have a stacked roster to help her remember.

[HoosierHoopster]

6 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

Coupled with all of our best current players except Czieski ar sophomores/frosh.

Moren says she hasn’t forgotten how to coach. Well she’s gonna have a stacked roster to help her remember.

Yeah none of us are naive, very important and remains to be seen that the key players return and that she adds a player or 2 from the portal but statements like she’s washed up are so inanely brain dead it’s comical. She literally just won with the U19 national team to go with getting the right assistant in to help land our best class.
 

Just ignore 10 straight tournament appearances. Just ignore her national team success as assistant and HC. Just ignore that this was obviously a rebuilding year after she lost almost the entire team to graduation and the portal - sure, blame her for that is fair she’s the HC she should have planned and restructured sooner, but washed up?? Completely brain dead

[Pagoda]

8 minutes ago, HoosierHoopster said:

Yeah none of us are naive, very important and remains to be seen that the key players return and that she adds a player or 2 from the portal but statements like she’s washed up are so inanely brain dead it’s comical. She literally just won with the U19 national team to go with getting the right assistant in to help land our best class.
 

Just ignore 10 straight tournament appearances. Just ignore her national team success as assistant and HC. Just ignore that this was obviously a rebuilding year after she lost almost the entire team to graduation and the portal - sure, blame her for that is fair she’s the HC she should have planned and restructured sooner, but washed up?? Completely brain dead

Staying the course can make sense.  For example, early on in his tenure Painter made the tourney six straight seasons, then he changed his recruiting strategy, resulting in two bad seasons with tourney misses.  But, he corrected his recruiting errors and has since went on a pretty good decade long run.  If PU fired him in 2014 I highly doubt their next 10 years would have been as good.

I don't know everything happening behind the scenes, but if Teri is up for it, given her overall track record and the uptick in recruiting there seems to be a reasonable case to stay the course.  A firing would be a big reset that brings a lot of risk too -- no guarantees the new coach is better and flipping the roster is tough.

[HoosierHoopster]

2 minutes ago, Pagoda said:

Staying the course can make sense.  For example, early on in his tenure Painter made the tourney six straight seasons, then he changed his recruiting strategy, resulting in two bad seasons with tourney misses.  But, he corrected his recruiting errors and has since went on a pretty good decade long run.

I don't know everything happening behind the scenes, but if Teri is up for it, given the uptick in recruiting there seems to be a reasonable case to stay the course.  A firing would be a big reset that brings a lot of risk too -- no guarantees the new coach is better.

Agree. She has earned the right to prove herself for at least another season in my book, and to make her own decisions at the end of this season. She’s a proven winner and team developer, let’s see what happens going into next season and go from there 

[mickey one]

If Geno Auriemma, Dawn Staley, Kim Mulkey, Vic Shaeffer, Brenda Frese, Lindsey Gottlieb, Shauna Green, et al, had whiffed on recruiting for several years, and stood at 0-10 in their conference . . . . all of their fan base, some in anger, some in regret, would be calling for a coaching change. Yes, even Geno. Fans would not be saying "well, he won 12 national championships!" It would be: "That was a great run. Thank you. It's time for a change".

People are looking for a way out of the cellar, and, hopefully, a pathway back to competing for Big 10 (dare I say "national") championships. I think that's what it is about. It's not about being mean or ungrateful to CTM. It's about seeking hope.

As Sheryl Crow would say:  

 

[TTT]

A couple of very high impact players from transfer portal very much needed with nucleus of current team and freshmen coming in.  

IU Ladies are going to have to raise level of competition for playing time and starters….as far as current roster IU may not be the place for 3 or 4 of them….they can find a place to better match their ability like Miami of Ohio for example.

Though it’s a very good freshman class coming in I don’t think it’s stacked and is being overplayed but will bring improvement. Yes, All American nominees not close to being the same as an actual All American.  Freshman year;  it will take going into sophomore year to see significant progress….that’s why a couple of big time transfer portal players are a requirement….if it’s even possible.

[WayneFleekHoosier]

2 minutes ago, TTT said:

A couple of very high impact players from transfer portal very much needed with nucleus of current team and freshmen coming in.  

IU Ladies are going to have to raise level of competition for playing time and starters….as far as current roster IU may not be the place for 3 or 4 of them….they can find a place to better match their ability like Miami of Ohio for example.

Though it’s a very good freshman class coming in I don’t think it’s stacked and is being overplayed but will bring improvement. Yes, All American nominees not close to being the same as an actual All American.  Freshman year;  it will take going into sophomore year to see significant progress….that’s why a couple of big time transfer portal players are a requirement….if it’s even possible.

I think Moren is great.  I don’t know If she’s great in the NIL era of womens hoops. 
 

Stotjin, and Noyan haven’t been at the level of transfer we needed.  Big Z is great when she plays.  We mostly missed in the transfer portal where Scalia and Shay were big hits.  Needed to get proven production somewhere.  Didn’t and counted on improvement but the transfers have been the same as they were at previous spots.  
 

Beaumont and Caffey aren’t as good as we need them to be.  
 

Everything that could go wrong has went wrong, except for Shay having a very strong season. 

[Home Jersey]

1 hour ago, mickey one said:

If Geno Auriemma, Dawn Staley, Kim Mulkey, Vic Shaeffer, Brenda Frese, Lindsey Gottlieb, Shauna Green, et al, had whiffed on recruiting for several years, and stood at 0-10 in their conference . . . . all of their fan base, some in anger, some in regret, would be calling for a coaching change. Yes, even Geno. Fans would not be saying "well, he won 12 national championships!" It would be: "That was a great run. Thank you. It's time for a change".

People are looking for a way out of the cellar, and, hopefully, a pathway back to competing for Big 10 (dare I say "national") championships. I think that's what it is about. It's not about being mean or ungrateful to CTM. It's about seeking hope.

As Sheryl Crow would say:  

 

I assure you Geno would be forgiven several times over for multiple stinker seasons at UConn before fans lost hope in him. And our women's basketball program is nowhere near the same universe as theirs. IMO it would be different if she wasn't recruiting at the highest level in program history despite this rough patch. I'd rather see if she can right the ship next season before pulling the plug on the best coach IUWBB has ever had. 

[mickey one]

2 minutes ago, Home Jersey said:

I assure you Geno would be forgiven several times over for multiple stinker seasons at UConn before fans lost hope in him. And our women's basketball program is nowhere near the same universe as theirs. IMO it would be different if she wasn't recruiting at the highest level in program history despite this rough patch. I'd rather see if she can right the ship next season before pulling the plug on the best coach IUWBB has ever had. 

Check out UConn Boneyard for their fans. 0-10 in the conference, they are going to be having LONG discussions as to who needs to be hired to replace Geno. 

Also, CTM is being paid over $1 m. a year. Like all sports, if you don't win as the coach, then you're out. That's just a fact of life. You think the Jets, Giants, Browns, et al. are going to keep their coaches, out of a sense of loyalty?

[TTT]

50 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

I think Moren is great.  I don’t know If she’s great in the NIL era of womens hoops. 
 

Stotjin, and Noyan haven’t been at the level of transfer we needed.  Big Z is great when she plays.  We mostly missed in the transfer portal where Scalia and Shay were big hits.  Needed to get proven production somewhere.  Didn’t and counted on improvement but the transfers have been the same as they were at previous spots.  
 

Beaumont and Caffey aren’t as good as we need them to be.  
 

Everything that could go wrong has went wrong, except for Shay having a very strong season. 

I don’t think T. Moren necessarily missed in transfer portal (though she did) her and anyone can see familiar with the players know they were not that good and ability was limited….but the good transfer portal players would not commit to T. Moren and IU Ladies program….IU Ladies got the leftovers.

[TTT]

15 minutes ago, Home Jersey said:

I assure you Geno would be forgiven several times over for multiple stinker seasons at UConn before fans lost hope in him. And our women's basketball program is nowhere near the same universe as theirs. IMO it would be different if she wasn't recruiting at the highest level in program history despite this rough patch. I'd rather see if she can right the ship next season before pulling the plug on the best coach IUWBB has ever had. 

Going to take two seasons;  probably.  Next season improves but borderline without 2 significant transfer portal players.

(3 or 4 IU Ladies setting on the bench may need to find new homes.

[Home Jersey]

10 minutes ago, mickey one said:

Check out UConn Boneyard for their fans. 0-10 in the conference, they are going to be having LONG discussions as to who needs to be hired to replace Geno. 

Also, CTM is being paid over $1 m. a year. Like all sports, if you don't win as the coach, then you're out. That's just a fact of life. You think the Jets, Giants, Browns, et al. are going to keep their coaches, out of a sense of loyalty?

Check out hypothetical conversations on the boneyard that aren't actually taking place? Haha

IMO, no, not out of sense of loyalty but the absence of panicking as long as there's a coherent plan in place. The recruiting class suggests there is a coherent plan in place. This year is a lost cause, so retain the talented underclassmen and get ready to compete next year. If that doesn't work out, time to move on. But blowing it up now easily introduces way more risk for a program like IUWBB imo. 

[TTT]

13 minutes ago, mickey one said:

Check out UConn Boneyard for their fans. 0-10 in the conference, they are going to be having LONG discussions as to who needs to be hired to replace Geno. 

Also, CTM is being paid over $1 m. a year. Like all sports, if you don't win as the coach, then you're out. That's just a fact of life. You think the Jets, Giants, Browns, et al. are going to keep their coaches, out of a sense of loyalty?

In the corrupt welfare Corporation professional sports world yes they keep failure along with government officials and ask and threaten taxpayers all the time.

[Stuhoo]

1 hour ago, TTT said:

In the corrupt welfare Corporation professional sports world yes they keep failure along with government officials and ask and threaten taxpayers all the time.

[Golfman25]

2 hours ago, mickey one said:

Check out UConn Boneyard for their fans. 0-10 in the conference, they are going to be having LONG discussions as to who needs to be hired to replace Geno. 

Also, CTM is being paid over $1 m. a year. Like all sports, if you don't win as the coach, then you're out. That's just a fact of life. You think the Jets, Giants, Browns, et al. are going to keep their coaches, out of a sense of loyalty?

No they’ll fire the current one and continue to polish the turd. :)

[NatHillIV]

21 hours ago, Claxdj01 said:

Excuse me? I’ve watched about every game in the last 5 or 6 years. I do have an idea. You’re an idiot if you think moren should just get a free pass to continue this garbage. That Miami home game as a 1 seed was TERRIBLE. Since then it has been downhill. They choked with a huge lead to Ohio state in the big ten just prior to it. It’s time for a change. They keep getting worse 

As I remember Holmes was crippled against Miami, was she not ?

[ronzo4IU]

10 hours ago, HoosierHoopster said:

10 straight tourney appearances— come on now

Appearances don’t mean much if you don’t win much…CTM did have some momentum at one time we all agree, but it’s the whole sum of record that is inconsistent and plummeted to atrocious most likely due to certain assistants departures.

[ronzo4IU]

8 hours ago, Home Jersey said:

I assure you Geno would be forgiven several times over for multiple stinker seasons at UConn before fans lost hope in him. And our women's basketball program is nowhere near the same universe as theirs. IMO it would be different if she wasn't recruiting at the highest level in program history despite this rough patch. I'd rather see if she can right the ship next season before pulling the plug on the best coach IUWBB has ever had. 

Maybe we should expect better?

[Home Jersey]

3 minutes ago, ronzo4IU said:

Maybe we should expect better?

Who told you not to?

[ronzo4IU]

20 hours ago, Home Jersey said:

Who told you not to?

Well, give her the benefit of the doubt and see what she can pull together in the portal to compliment these incoming freshmen.

 There is no good time to cut ties from a coach who averaged 20ish wins a year over 12 seasons for a program like ours historically speaking.