IUBB vs Ruger - Thursday, 01.02.25 @ 8:30 on Peacock

[HoosierHoopster]

3 hours ago, Stuhoo said:

You listed eight reasons we're struggling.

One of them is inaccurate (too few threes).

The other seven all are the same thing; coaching.

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That having been said; I think that Pikell is pretty overrated and isn't the overachiever he's been portrayed to be. Soooooo......

GO HOOSIERS! Beat the snot out of them.

Disagree, strongly. We're shooting 3's by volume at the bottom of D1 ball -- the consistent problem with Woody's offense since day 1 --that's why we score so damn low, you can't win playing a 2-point (and 2-big) game against 3-point shooting teams in any manner of consistency. Yes, we're shooting too few 3's, and don't say we don't have good enough 3-point shooters, just not true. We have some shooters, it doesn't matter if they've been off a few games, what matters is that they shoot the damn ball.

[RaceToTheTop]

1 minute ago, HoosierHoopster said:

Disagree, strongly. We're shooting 3's by volume at the bottom of D1 ball -- the consistent problem with Woody's offense since day 1 --that's why we score so damn low, you can't win playing a 2-point (and 2-big) game against 3-point shooting teams in any manner of consistency. Yes, we're shooting too few 3's, and don't say we don't have good enough 3-point shooters, just not true. We have some shooters, it doesn't matter if they've been off a few games, what matters is that they shoot the damn ball.

We are shooting a little under 20 threes per game.  Last year we shot about 16 per game.

so we are shooting more of them but still well under the national average.

[go iu bb]

3 hours ago, Stuhoo said:

You listed eight reasons we're struggling.

One of them is inaccurate (too few threes).

The other seven all are the same thing; coaching.

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That having been said; I think that Pikell is pretty overrated and isn't the overachiever he's been portrayed to be. Soooooo......

GO HOOSIERS! Beat the snot out of them.

I took it as making too few threes which is very true. This is also coaching.

[Stuhoo]

25 minutes ago, HoosierHoopster said:

Disagree, strongly. We're shooting 3's by volume at the bottom of D1 ball -- the consistent problem with Woody's offense since day 1 --that's why we score so damn low, you can't win playing a 2-point (and 2-big) game against 3-point shooting teams in any manner of consistency. Yes, we're shooting too few 3's, and don't say we don't have good enough 3-point shooters, just not true. We have some shooters, it doesn't matter if they've been off a few games, what matters is that they shoot the damn ball.

 

Teams that make a very low percentage of their threes should not ignore the three ball, but they shouldn't over-indulge either.

You don't want me to say "we don't have good enough 3-point shooters?" Okay, how about "we have two good three point shooters on the entire roster; Mgbako and Goode, and they are horrible (Mgbako) or very limited (Goode) defenders. And they play the same position! Therefore, they are very rarely on the court at the same time and when they are it hasn't gone well."

So in reality, we have one 'average or better' three-point shooter on the court at any given time. Every other rotational player has been a below average three point shooter in their college career, and this staff hasn't developed confident shooters or players with '1,000 shot a day work ethics' that improve from three.

On the other hand, we have three rotational players that are borderline elite near the rim; Reneau, Ballo, and Rice, and at least two of them are on the court together almost always. 

We need to shoot a reasonable amount of threes to keep defenses spread out and we're now doing that, but this team's strength is near the rim.

 

PS: Our defensive rotations, awareness, and effort have kinda sucked - that's the bigger problem.

 

[Dave from Dayton]

What's the word on Ballo?

I will speculate that he will play.

The word is likely....keep Rutger guessing.

So, then, what's the word on Woody?

I will speculate that he will stare and glare.

The word is likely...he is attempting telepathy.

So, two struggling teams meet in a conference game.

I hope Reneau doesn't foul twice in the first half...early on.

I hope that defense is good...whichever team has the best defense and hangs on to the ball will win this.

Could be a high scoring game.

 

[Hornsby]

What's the word on Ballo?
I will speculate that he will play.
The word is likely....keep Rutger guessing.
So, then, what's the word on Woody?
I will speculate that he will stare and glare.
The word is likely...he is attempting telepathy.
So, two struggling teams meet in a conference game.
I hope Reneau doesn't foul twice in the first half...early on.
I hope that defense is good...whichever team has the best defense will win this.
Could be a high scoring game.
 

Of course he will play

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[ray]

I read through a few of these threads, and they all seem about the same.  There is no confidence from the fan base, and the overall perceived outlook is dismal.  This much I can understand.  However, I haven't been on BTB much this season (or any other IU basketball forums), and I believe it's because even if the performance on the floor becomes significantly improved, there will still be so much negativity surrounding the basketball program. 

I'm not impressed either, but gee-my-knees-christmas, some of you kids should attempt to crawl out of the perpetual darkness, even if only briefly, to take a few deep breaths and reach hard for even a small hint of optimism.  It will make life more pleasurable, I can almost assure you.

[WeeDerkaNaut]

1 of 20 for 5% completion. You're better off just playing to your strength and cramming the post and try to draw fouls to take their inside guys off the court, make them rely on their outside shooters and hope they're not on fire because our closeouts on threes are terrible. Not a good option either way but that's what we have to work with. Or you can just keep chucking bricks with hope and a prayer and quickly drown in the deficit. 

[WeeDerkaNaut]

21 minutes ago, ray said:

I read through a few of these threads, and they all seem about the same.  There is no confidence from the fan base, and the overall perceived outlook is dismal.  This much I can understand.  However, I haven't been on BTB much this season (or any other IU basketball forums), and I believe it's because even if the performance on the floor becomes significantly improved, there will still be so much negativity surrounding the basketball program. 

I'm not impressed either, but gee-my-knees-christmas, some of you kids should attempt to crawl out of the perpetual darkness, even if only briefly, to take a few deep breaths and reach hard for even a small hint of optimism.  It will make life more pleasurable, I can almost assure you.

Coach has an unbearable ego and blames everyone else for his shortcomings, doesn't recruit or even develop the talent we do have. We're not miserable we're apathetic. We're struggling to care about a program we have always deeply enjoyed. And that's because of the coach and how he has acted beyond his on court duties, his performance as a coach completely aside. We don't want to be negative or harsh about things but what do you do when the only bright spot is February when the coach gets replaced by someone who doesn't just say they care about the program but actually proves it. And it's a public forum, people are going to voice their opinions. Outside of IUBB we enjoy life a great deal I assure you. 

[RaceToTheTop]

14 minutes ago, WeeDerkaNaut said:

1 of 20 for 5% completion. You're better off just playing to your strength and cramming the post and try to draw fouls to take their inside guys off the court, make them rely on their outside shooters and hope they're not on fire because our closeouts on threes are terrible. Not a good option either way but that's what we have to work with. Or you can just keep chucking bricks with hope and a prayer and quickly drown in the deficit. 

Against Chattanooga Reneau was in foul trouble and Ballo didn't play.  You see what happens when we don't have an inside game to rely on.

[WeeDerkaNaut]

3 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

Against Chattanooga Reneau was in foul trouble and Ballo didn't play.  You see what happens when we don't have an inside game to rely on.

I know that but we have even less of an outside game. All options suck right now. So pray Ballo stays out of the clubs and Reneau doesn't hit the bench early. If they do we bring in Hatton again and work the post through him.

[Hoosierfanyuh]

Ballo is questionable 

[Hoosierfanyuh]

Which means nothing lol

[Hornsby]

I read through a few of these threads, and they all seem about the same.  There is no confidence from the fan base, and the overall perceived outlook is dismal.  This much I can understand.  However, I haven't been on BTB much this season (or any other IU basketball forums), and I believe it's because even if the performance on the floor becomes significantly improved, there will still be so much negativity surrounding the basketball program. 

I'm not impressed either, but gee-my-knees-christmas, some of you kids should attempt to crawl out of the perpetual darkness, even if only briefly, to take a few deep breaths and reach hard for even a small hint of optimism.  It will make life more pleasurable, I can almost assure you.

You think because someone is negative about the program they are miserable if life? That's a bold statement. The last thing I would ever do is let Mike woodson dictate my mood in life.

 

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[Parakeet Jones]

5 minutes ago, Hoosierfanyuh said:

Ballo is questionable 

His health or decision making?

[Hoosierfanyuh]

Just now, Parakeet Jones said:

His health or decision making?

There are no incorrect answers lmao 

[JSHoosier]

Just now, Parakeet Jones said:

His health or decision making?

Yes

[RaceToTheTop]

5 minutes ago, Hoosierfanyuh said:

Ballo is questionable 

IF there was any kind of injury (****, hangnail qualifies) then the Big Ten requires you to put it in the injury report.  Also if Woodson wants to keep a 'suspension' hidden as an injury, he would pretty much have to keep it on the injury report.

Would not surprise me to see that he doesn't start but comes into the game pretty quickly (which, IMO, is a useless action).

[Hornsby]

IF there was any kind of injury (****, hangnail qualifies) then the Big Ten requires you to put it in the injury report.  Also if Woodson wants to keep a 'suspension' hidden as an injury, he would pretty much have to keep it on the injury report.
Would not surprise me to see that he doesn't start but comes into the game pretty quickly (which, IMO, is a useless action).

I'd be stunned if Woodson sits him again. Stunned

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[RaceToTheTop]

2 minutes ago, Hornsby said:

I'd be stunned if Woodson sits him again. Stunned

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I would not be stunned by anything Woodson does.