Adam Howard No Longer On Staff

[IUFAN1976]

11 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

And how do you know exactly what “this issue” is?

I actually don’t, I’m just going by what others have posted on here by many more people than just me.  I’m assuming they know something I don’t.  Am I way off base here, along with many others. I’m just saying that if that is the reason, that is petty and a different type of discipline should have happened, like I mentioned above.  He’s an inexperienced young man that may have made a minor mistake and a good leader would have treated it much differently than firing him

[Home Jersey]

7 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

I’m applying this to any other real world situation where there are consequences for disobeying an order from a superior. That’s life. Don’t like it? Quit. We know what path Howard chose. Every single person on this board has performed a task for a superior that they didn’t agree with at some point or another in their professional lives.

Howard was a low level staffer so of course it's within reason for the HC to dismiss someone he considers insubordinate. 

Howard was also involved deeply in recruiting and had a full time role created just this summer to retain him. He will likely take a role at Michigan in the near future. That this low level staffer supposedly has such little respect for Woody he felt he could dismiss an order from him, and that he is so well thought of that he will land on his feet at another B10 school, and this is happening early in the season after having just created a role to retain this individual, is the part that's befuddling/makes this such a conversation. This obviously matters very little in terms of results on the court. It will fuel the stuff off the court that's irksome for Woody and us all. If that's what the team needs to feel motivated, so be it I suppose...

[ap2345]

20 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Three weeks to move a locker? Needing to consult other coaches for a simple request? Good god. 

Lmao he didn’t consult other coaches about the locker situation. What has Woodson done as a coach to warrant you defending him like your life depends on it? 

[ap2345]

17 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

I’m applying this to any other real world situation where there are consequences for disobeying an order from a superior. That’s life. Don’t like it? Quit. We know what path Howard chose. Every single person on this board has performed a task for a superior that they didn’t agree with at some point or another in their professional lives.

Coaching isn’t the same as other real world workplaces. It’s just different. 

[AH1971]

3 minutes ago, ap2345 said:

Coaching isn’t the same as other real world workplaces. It’s just different. 

Saying the same dumb thing over and over again doesn’t make it anymore true. A low level staffer doesn’t get to pick and choose what directives he’s given by the head coach without repercussion. Literally the dumbest thing I’ve read all day and I’ve read 17 pages of this nonsense. 

[ap2345]

7 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Saying the same dumb thing over and over again doesn’t make it anymore true. A low level staffer doesn’t get to pick and choose what directives he’s given by the head coach without repercussion. Literally the dumbest thing I’ve read all day and I’ve read 17 pages of this nonsense. 

I’m sorry it’s hard for you to understand but it’s a fact. Also he was one of the staffs most connected people in recruiting circles, agents, and things of that sort and was the most connected person in Indiana recruiting circles. Also I’m waiting on you to answer my question.

[AH1971]

7 minutes ago, ap2345 said:

I’m sorry it’s hard for you to understand but it’s a fact. Also he was one of the staffs most connected people in recruiting circles, agents, and things of that sort and was the most connected person in Indiana recruiting circles. Also I’m waiting on you to answer my question.

Are you seriously trying to lay claim that the assistant director of recruiting and operations is allowed to defy the head coach and that it’s common practice at other universities? You’ve lost your ******* mind. Coach Knight would have walked this kid out of the building himself and put him on the first bus out of town. And he would have done it after 5 minutes, not given him 3 weeks.

Nothing of what you’ve said is a fact by the way. 

[ap2345]

3 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Are you seriously trying to lay claim that the assistant director of recruiting and operations is allowed to defy the head coach and that it’s common practice at other universities? You’ve lost your ******* mind. Coach Knight would have walked this kid out of the building himself and put him on the first bus out of town. And he would have done it after 5 minutes, not given him 3 weeks.

Nothing of what you’ve said is a fact by the way. 

Oh but it is. And you still have ignored my question

[AH1971]

Just now, ap2345 said:

Oh but it is. And you still have ignored my question

I not only support but applaud Woodson’s right to can an insubordinate little s***, you happy?

[AZ Hoosier]

1 hour ago, Golfman25 said:

Depending on the nature of the issue, only if the owner/head is exptremely insecure.  They may have a discussion about it, but outright letting a dude go may be extreme.   

It seems here this was a man made controversy.  Woodson decides to move some lockers.  Rather than talking to the players and letting them know he decided to do it and why, he tells his staffer to do it.  Staffer is hesitant because it seems uncessary and he may or may not have gotten clarification as to "why" from Woodson. So he sits on it for some time, trying to figure out the best way to approach it.  He speaks to some co-workers, who proably say "just do it."  Mediocre Mike get's POd because it isn't done on his timeline.  Eventually AH gets the courage to approach the two players and instigate the move.  Mediocre Mike sits around stewing because someone "questioned" the great Mike Woodson.  Eventually it comes to a head, and AH is dismissed.  

Look any way this is "spun" it is stupid.  It's not like the kid challenged his substitution patterns, offensive system (or lack thereof), defensive system, or many other legitimate questions.  Part of being the head man is mentoring guys like AH and explaining the hows and whys of his thinking.  It's also taking input from the youngins who may be closer to the players than the head coach is.  Even if this was "insubordination" it hardly rises to an "offense" of anything as the job was eventually done.  Real Coaches would probably forget they even made the request because they have so many other more important things to address.

Yep. Mediocre Mike is the master of minutia... I can't wait forIU to be rid of this petty buffoon.

[Home Jersey]

1 minute ago, AH1971 said:

I not only support but applaud Woodson’s right to can an insubordinate little s***, you happy?

Have you considered another line of work?

This one seems stressful for you.

[ap2345]

Just now, AH1971 said:

I not only support but applaud Woodson’s right to can an insubordinate little s***, you happy?

Why do you trust and support Coach Woodson so adamantly? 

[AZ Hoosier]

42 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

I’m applying this to any other real world situation where there are consequences for disobeying an order from a superior. That’s life. Don’t like it? Quit. We know what path Howard chose. Every single person on this board has performed a task for a superior that they didn’t agree with at some point or another in their professional lives.

Ahem, so did Adam Howard

Time to just put down the shovel man.

[mamasa]

51 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Three weeks to move a locker? Needing to consult other coaches for a simple request? Good god. 

Are you just a general”yes man” or an @$$ kisser in general?

[ap2345]

2 minutes ago, AZ Hoosier said:

Ahem, so did Adam Howard

Time to just put down the shovel man.

The way he defends Woody reminds me of someone else on the internet a little bit. Say do you know what Tyme it is by chance? 

[AH1971]

1 minute ago, mamasa said:

Are you just a general”yes man” or an @$$ kisser in general?

Been my own boss for over 10 years. I’d hire you but that would require you leaving your parents basement.

[AH1971]

2 minutes ago, ap2345 said:

The way he defends Woody reminds me of someone else on the internet a little bit. Say do you know what Tyme it is by chance? 

@Stuhooor any other mod will confirm that isn’t the case. Nice try though.

[Home Jersey]

2 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Been my own boss for over 10 years. I’d hire you but that would require you leaving your parents basement.

There are hotlines you can call to help you manage this temper. It doesn’t have to be this way. 

[mamasa]

3 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Been my own boss for over 10 years. I’d hire you but that would require you leaving your parents basement.

Clever!! 

[Hovadipo]

Almost closing time for this thread. No need to get personal.