Indiana at Tennessee (Exhibition), 10/27 at 3:00 pm SEC+ Network

[Stuhoo]

1 hour ago, HoosierHoopster said:

I'm with you on what you refer to as the scheme -- still looked like "Woody ball" for good stretches but -- lineups were better as someone pointed out above, we have a heck of a point in Rice, which changes a lot on its own, Bako looked a lot better to me,  3-point shooting was way off in the first half but we shot I think it was 11 outside shots and in the second took good outside looks and made 50% of them, and end of the day talent (that hustles) and size usually will beat lesser talented teams. We have the talent -- across the floor -- with a terrific point guard, and especially as this was without a key player in Gallo and what likely will be a key player at some point during the year in Tucker, my optimism level is going up. So, agree also this could be a very good year, and that's kind of despite CMW (though I do want to give the staff credit for running different looks during this exhibition).

How about give the staff credit for apparently constructing a roster that makes sense.

Last year that was the primary reason they should have been embarrassed. You want the production from the perimeter to suck? Play freshman Cupps and Gunn as two of your rotation guards; that'll do it.

[Stuhoo]

Trying to remember... did Tennessee have one single straight line drive to the rim yesterday? If not, that's amazing.

[HoosierCoop]

10 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

Trying to remember... did Tennessee have one single straight line drive to the rim yesterday? If not, that's amazing.

I don't remember seeing any "Ole` BS" defense.

[IUFAN1976]

3 hours ago, Hoosierfanyuh said:

Creighton

Creighton is a decent team and well coached.  Where was the game played and final score?

[Uspshoosier]

28 minutes ago, IUFAN1976 said:

Creighton is a decent team and well coached.  Where was the game played and final score?

At Creighton and Purdue lost by 4 

[Stuhoo]

3 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

At Creighton and Purdue lost by 4 

I saw 93-87.

Smith scored a ton. Him, Loyer, and TKR were very good and so were their two freshmen guards apparently.

[HoosierHoopster]

1 hour ago, Stuhoo said:

How about give the staff credit for apparently constructing a roster that makes sense.

Last year that was the primary reason they should have been embarrassed. You want the production from the perimeter to suck? Play freshman Cupps and Gunn as two of your rotation guards; that'll do it.

I've several times given Woodson and staff credit for doing a great job in the portal. I then several times have said now it's up to CMW to show he can win with this roster and with different looks/sets, that incorporate 3-point shooting and generally a more balanced offense than the 2-big O he's run no matter what for 3 years. Now I'm saying I'm cautiously optimistic -- some of what I was hoping to see was in yesterday's game. On referring to Cups etc., no I don't agree with that Stu and this has been hashed out on the Board several times my friend. Under Woodson we've been at almost the very bottom of all D1 Ball in outside shot attempts for 3 years and that's with every outside shooter we've had, Kopp etc. There's no excuse for that in today's game, Woodson has been living in 70s basketball too long. But my post you responded to was a positive one, no?

[Stuhoo]

4 minutes ago, HoosierHoopster said:

I've several times given Woodson and staff credit for doing a great job in the portal. I then several times have said now it's up to CMW to show he can win with this roster and with different looks/sets, that incorporate 3-point shooting and generally a more balanced offense than the 2-big O he's run no matter what for 3 years. Now I'm saying I'm cautiously optimistic -- some of what I was hoping to see was in yesterday's game. On referring to Cups etc., no I don't agree with that Stu and this has been hashed out on the Board several times my friend. Under Woodson we've been at almost the very bottom of all D1 Ball in outside shot attempts for 3 years and that's with every outside shooter we've had, Kopp etc. There's no excuse for that in today's game, Woodson has been living in 70s basketball too long. But my post you responded to was a positive one, no?

My post was damming Woodson with faint praise.

Woody is responsible for roster construction, and I think that last year‘s roster was coaching malpractice. There was no amount of offensive philosophy that was going to turn last year‘s guard line into a reasonably good shooting team. Therefore, they went with what they had, which was too often dump it inside over and over. 

 

[IUFAN1976]

1 hour ago, Uspshoosier said:

At Creighton and Purdue lost by 4 

Probably not that big of a deal then and Painter may have played a lot of players

[RaceToTheTop]

2 hours ago, Stuhoo said:

I saw 93-87.

Smith scored a ton. Him, Loyer, and TKR were very good and so were their two freshmen guards apparently.

Smith played 35 minutes, Loyer 30 and TKR 28.  Berg and Gicari Harris started and only combined for 28 minutes but that was mostly due to foul problems.

a lot of people assumed that Heide and Furst would get a big step up in minutes but the exhibition would suggest otherwise — 26 combined minutes and 0 points.  The biggest concern would be Purdue’s defense — creighton shot 60%.

[HoosierHoopster]

1 hour ago, Stuhoo said:

My post was damming Woodson with faint praise.

Woody is responsible for roster construction, and I think that last year‘s roster was coaching malpractice. There was no amount of offensive philosophy that was going to turn last year‘s guard line into a reasonably good shooting team. Therefore, they went with what they had, which was too often dump it inside over and over. 

 

Sure. But it’s 3 years not one. Woodson hasn’t cared about the arc, he has deliberately disregarded it for each season here. Here’s to hoping yesterday was the start of his now buying in.

[go iu bb]

3 hours ago, Stuhoo said:

My post was damming Woodson with faint praise.

Woody is responsible for roster construction, and I think that last year‘s roster was coaching malpractice. There was no amount of offensive philosophy that was going to turn last year‘s guard line into a reasonably good shooting team. Therefore, they went with what they had, which was too often dump it inside over and over. 

 

Faint praise is all he's earned. Yeah, he recruited the portal well this year but his teams have underperformed each year.

[Stuhoo]

14 minutes ago, go iu bb said:

Faint praise is all he's earned. Yeah, he recruited the portal well this year but his teams have underperformed each year.

From what I saw yesterday? Looks like he did his roster building job really well this time.

But I’m on record from the day I learned about him, that Myles Rice is special on the court and off. So Woody and Ya getting him to buy into coming to IU when he could have chosen almost anywhere is a coup. And only losing the guys we wanted run off to the portal was also a major feather in the staff’s cap.

 So Im pretty hopeful that this roster is balanced and has what it takes, and if that’s true Woody deserves real heartfelt praise.

[Demo]

14 hours ago, dwtaylor1055 said:

it was only an exhibition game BUT we came away with no injuries, we got to see a glimpse of the team together(minus Gallo and Tucker) on the road in what felt like a true in season road game and beat a ranked opponent that will be playing likely past day one and day two of March Madness.  I'd say yesterday was a success.  

Maybe it’s because I watched Illinois-Ole Miss last night and Illinois is nowhere close right now, but I just finished this game and I’m really, really encouraged. The offense is gonna take some gelling time, but they created a lot of good looks, and, yeah, they’ll go in eventually, and in the meantime they have guys who can just get theirs, so I’m confident that’ll come. Rice’s decisiveness is a sight to see. I also like what looked like some stuff with Reneau facilitating in more than just strictly a high/low thing. I need to go back and look at some of that. But the defense is so far ahead of where I expected and some of the problems last year just weren’t there. Mgbako had a couple of weak moments, but his man/ball awareness and footwork were hell and gone better than last year. And with 1 exception Reneau’s hand discipline was impeccable and that’ll keep him on the floor. And no glaring fundamental problems. Weight sunk, mostly. Wasn’t crossing his feet, love it. Kid’s gonna have a big year. And you’ve got guards applying real live ball pressure. Carlyle’s offense will come, but his half court defense was really good. He’s more disciplined off ball than Galloway and he wasn’t distorting their positioning by overextending the way Gallo does. Have thought all summer it was gonna take maybe a dozen games to get a real sense of what they have here. Not thinking that so much now because this is clearly Rice’s team already and he seems to have his arms around it pretty good. We’ll see what it looks like when the other kids get back, but that was a good 1st show.

side note: Man, am I glad Okpara left OSU. That kid’s got a chance to be SEC DPOY before he gets out of Knoxville. He gave Ballo all he wanted. 

[Stuhoo]

Goode seemed to be a Miller Kopp style smart defender. Played gaps without overplaying them . That was a pleasant surprise for me given his reputation. Cupps too.

[AH1971]

13 hours ago, go iu bb said:

Faint praise is all he's earned. Yeah, he recruited the portal well this year but his teams have underperformed each year.

13 hours ago, Stuhoo said:

From what I saw yesterday? Looks like he did his roster building job really well this time.

But I’m on record from the day I learned about him, that Myles Rice is special on the court and off. So Woody and Ya getting him to buy into coming to IU when he could have chosen almost anywhere is a coup. And only losing the guys we wanted run off to the portal was also a major feather in the staff’s cap.

 So Im pretty hopeful that this roster is balanced and has what it takes, and if that’s true Woody deserves real heartfelt praise.

Beat a fringe top 10 team on the road down a couple key pieces without shooting the ball particularly well.

Yeah......it's going to be a loooooong season for some. 

 

[realTomCrean]

How many deflections did IU have?

[Demo]

4 hours ago, Stuhoo said:

Goode seemed to be a Miller Kopp style smart defender. Played gaps without overplaying them . That was a pleasant surprise for me given his reputation. Cupps too.

It’s pretty easy to see a scenario arise when the roster is at full strength in which Goode’s role gets very niche-y, which is pretty amazing given that he was a 20 min rotation piece on a very good Sweet 16 team 7 months ago. I imagine he’ll find minutes because shooters always do, but there are a bunch of kids on this roster who can play and if Tucker is good enough that he forces minutes I imagine he takes most of them from Luke.

[Uspshoosier]

23 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Beat a fringe top 10 team on the road down a couple key pieces without shooting the ball particularly well.

Yeah......it's going to be a loooooong season for some. 

 

Still an exhibition at the end of the day.   These games are for both teams to try different rotations out that they might not normally play in certain situations.  IU could have lost and at the end of the day it was only an exhibition.   Barnes said at the 9 min mark he had a lineup in that he normally wouldn’t play together it wanted to try it out and let them play meaningful reps against good competition.   Pretty sure IU made a run during that time 

[Stuhoo]

7 minutes ago, Demo said:

It’s pretty easy to see a scenario arise when the roster is at full strength in which Goode’s role gets very niche-y, which is pretty amazing given that he was a 20 min rotation piece on a very good Sweet 16 team 7 months ago. I imagine he’ll find minutes because shooters always do, but there are a bunch of kids on this roster who can play and if Tucker is good enough that he forces minutes I imagine he takes most of them from Luke.

It's pretty heartening to know that any player on the team except Myles and Oumar could miss time and there will be a ready made replacement. Can't lose your big time PG or rim protector and be nearly as good, but we could be just fine in any other scenario. And if Ballo or Rice was in foul trouble we could go stretches of being effective without them depending on the opponent.