Indiana at Tennessee (Exhibition), 10/27 at 3:00 pm SEC+ Network

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12 minutes ago, IUFAN1976 said:

Many of us on this board thinks PU is overrated and won’t be near the same team they were last year with Edey.  Edey could not be guarded one on one by 99% of the players he played against.  He commanded a double and sometimes a triple team and that freed up many many open looks.  Who on their current roster will command that, ZERO!  That’s why Turdue will not win the conference and will be lucky to finish in the top 5 in the conference.  I actually think they will finish somewhere between 6-9, IMO.  Who did Turdue play in their exhibition?

Creighton

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Watched the game back and nothing major to add, but Mgbako’s defense looks much improved. He was hot on offense in the second. I wish he had a little more of a motor to help him find consistency but he will be a valuable player on this team. I think our “big 3” are Rice, Reneau and Ballo though. Having capable guards will make such a difference this season. Excited to add Gallo and Tucker to the rotation. This could be a very, very, very good year. Frustrations with the scheme will be the same.

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1 hour ago, HoosierHoopster said:

I've been a heavy critic of CMW but this was a very solid W and we looked good in the second half (along with Tenn) after both teams played really sloppy in the first half. So PU lost its exhibition, we won ours against a very good Tenn team.... Imo, we have plenty of reason to be at least cautiously optimistic about our conference chances, and PU? Not so much.

To get slightly off-topic but because you mentioned it; in their exhibition Kaufman-Renn was very good, but their centers got owned, especially the starter Berg. Do they end up playing Kaufman-Renn or Furst at the 5? If so, they get a better, smaller player on the court at another spot, but their rim protection becomes non-existent.

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2 hours ago, IUFAN1976 said:

Many of us on this board thinks PU is overrated and won’t be near the same team they were last year with Edey.  Edey could not be guarded one on one by 99% of the players he played against.  He commanded a double and sometimes a triple team and that freed up many many open looks.  Who on their current roster will command that, ZERO!  That’s why Turdue will not win the conference and will be lucky to finish in the top 5 in the conference.  I actually think they will finish somewhere between 6-9, IMO.  Who did Turdue play in their exhibition?

Creighton

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1 hour ago, Stuhoo said:

To get slightly off-topic but because you mentioned it; in their exhibition Kaufman-Renn was very good, but their centers got owned, especially the starter Berg. Do they end up playing Kaufman-Renn or Furst at the 5? If so, they get a better, smaller player on the court at another spot, but their rim protection becomes non-existent.

Furst gives you very little offensive, too. 

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1 hour ago, Home Jersey said:

Watched the game back and nothing major to add, but Mgbako’s defense looks much improved. He was hot on offense in the second. I wish he had a little more of a motor to help him find consistency but he will be a valuable player on this team. I think our “big 3” are Rice, Reneau and Ballo though. Having capable guards will make such a difference this season. Excited to add Gallo and Tucker to the rotation. This could be a very, very, very good year. Frustrations with the scheme will be the same.

I'm with you on what you refer to as the scheme -- still looked like "Woody ball" for good stretches but -- lineups were better as someone pointed out above, we have a heck of a point in Rice, which changes a lot on its own, Bako looked a lot better to me,  3-point shooting was way off in the first half but we shot I think it was 11 outside shots and in the second took good outside looks and made 50% of them, and end of the day talent (that hustles) and size usually will beat lesser talented teams. We have the talent -- across the floor -- with a terrific point guard, and especially as this was without a key player in Gallo and what likely will be a key player at some point during the year in Tucker, my optimism level is going up. So, agree also this could be a very good year, and that's kind of despite CMW (though I do want to give the staff credit for running different looks during this exhibition).

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3 hours ago, Home Jersey said:

Watched the game back and nothing major to add, but Mgbako’s defense looks much improved. He was hot on offense in the second. I wish he had a little more of a motor to help him find consistency but he will be a valuable player on this team. I think our “big 3” are Rice, Reneau and Ballo though. Having capable guards will make such a difference this season. Excited to add Gallo and Tucker to the rotation. This could be a very, very, very good year. Frustrations with the scheme will be the same.

Meant to add that Mgbako was probably a plus on D which is huge growth.

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1 hour ago, HoosierHoopster said:

I'm with you on what you refer to as the scheme -- still looked like "Woody ball" for good stretches but -- lineups were better as someone pointed out above, we have a heck of a point in Rice, which changes a lot on its own, Bako looked a lot better to me,  3-point shooting was way off in the first half but we shot I think it was 11 outside shots and in the second took good outside looks and made 50% of them, and end of the day talent (that hustles) and size usually will beat lesser talented teams. We have the talent -- across the floor -- with a terrific point guard, and especially as this was without a key player in Gallo and what likely will be a key player at some point during the year in Tucker, my optimism level is going up. So, agree also this could be a very good year, and that's kind of despite CMW (though I do want to give the staff credit for running different looks during this exhibition).

How about give the staff credit for apparently constructing a roster that makes sense.

Last year that was the primary reason they should have been embarrassed. You want the production from the perimeter to suck? Play freshman Cupps and Gunn as two of your rotation guards; that'll do it.

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Trying to remember... did Tennessee have one single straight line drive to the rim yesterday? If not, that's amazing.

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10 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

Trying to remember... did Tennessee have one single straight line drive to the rim yesterday? If not, that's amazing.

I don't remember seeing any "Ole` BS" defense.

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3 hours ago, Hoosierfanyuh said:

Creighton

Creighton is a decent team and well coached.  Where was the game played and final score?

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28 minutes ago, IUFAN1976 said:

Creighton is a decent team and well coached.  Where was the game played and final score?

At Creighton and Purdue lost by 4 

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3 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

At Creighton and Purdue lost by 4 

I saw 93-87.

Smith scored a ton. Him, Loyer, and TKR were very good and so were their two freshmen guards apparently.

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1 hour ago, Stuhoo said:

How about give the staff credit for apparently constructing a roster that makes sense.

Last year that was the primary reason they should have been embarrassed. You want the production from the perimeter to suck? Play freshman Cupps and Gunn as two of your rotation guards; that'll do it.

I've several times given Woodson and staff credit for doing a great job in the portal. I then several times have said now it's up to CMW to show he can win with this roster and with different looks/sets, that incorporate 3-point shooting and generally a more balanced offense than the 2-big O he's run no matter what for 3 years. Now I'm saying I'm cautiously optimistic -- some of what I was hoping to see was in yesterday's game. On referring to Cups etc., no I don't agree with that Stu and this has been hashed out on the Board several times my friend. Under Woodson we've been at almost the very bottom of all D1 Ball in outside shot attempts for 3 years and that's with every outside shooter we've had, Kopp etc. There's no excuse for that in today's game, Woodson has been living in 70s basketball too long. But my post you responded to was a positive one, no?

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4 minutes ago, HoosierHoopster said:

I've several times given Woodson and staff credit for doing a great job in the portal. I then several times have said now it's up to CMW to show he can win with this roster and with different looks/sets, that incorporate 3-point shooting and generally a more balanced offense than the 2-big O he's run no matter what for 3 years. Now I'm saying I'm cautiously optimistic -- some of what I was hoping to see was in yesterday's game. On referring to Cups etc., no I don't agree with that Stu and this has been hashed out on the Board several times my friend. Under Woodson we've been at almost the very bottom of all D1 Ball in outside shot attempts for 3 years and that's with every outside shooter we've had, Kopp etc. There's no excuse for that in today's game, Woodson has been living in 70s basketball too long. But my post you responded to was a positive one, no?

My post was damming Woodson with faint praise.

Woody is responsible for roster construction, and I think that last year‘s roster was coaching malpractice. There was no amount of offensive philosophy that was going to turn last year‘s guard line into a reasonably good shooting team. Therefore, they went with what they had, which was too often dump it inside over and over. 

 

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1 hour ago, Uspshoosier said:

At Creighton and Purdue lost by 4 

Probably not that big of a deal then and Painter may have played a lot of players

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2 hours ago, Stuhoo said:

I saw 93-87.

Smith scored a ton. Him, Loyer, and TKR were very good and so were their two freshmen guards apparently.

Smith played 35 minutes, Loyer 30 and TKR 28.  Berg and Gicari Harris started and only combined for 28 minutes but that was mostly due to foul problems.

a lot of people assumed that Heide and Furst would get a big step up in minutes but the exhibition would suggest otherwise — 26 combined minutes and 0 points.  The biggest concern would be Purdue’s defense — creighton shot 60%.

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1 hour ago, Stuhoo said:

My post was damming Woodson with faint praise.

Woody is responsible for roster construction, and I think that last year‘s roster was coaching malpractice. There was no amount of offensive philosophy that was going to turn last year‘s guard line into a reasonably good shooting team. Therefore, they went with what they had, which was too often dump it inside over and over. 

 

Sure. But it’s 3 years not one. Woodson hasn’t cared about the arc, he has deliberately disregarded it for each season here. Here’s to hoping yesterday was the start of his now buying in.

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3 hours ago, Stuhoo said:

My post was damming Woodson with faint praise.

Woody is responsible for roster construction, and I think that last year‘s roster was coaching malpractice. There was no amount of offensive philosophy that was going to turn last year‘s guard line into a reasonably good shooting team. Therefore, they went with what they had, which was too often dump it inside over and over. 

 

Faint praise is all he's earned. Yeah, he recruited the portal well this year but his teams have underperformed each year.

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14 minutes ago, go iu bb said:

Faint praise is all he's earned. Yeah, he recruited the portal well this year but his teams have underperformed each year.

From what I saw yesterday? Looks like he did his roster building job really well this time.

But I’m on record from the day I learned about him, that Myles Rice is special on the court and off. So Woody and Ya getting him to buy into coming to IU when he could have chosen almost anywhere is a coup. And only losing the guys we wanted run off to the portal was also a major feather in the staff’s cap.

 So Im pretty hopeful that this roster is balanced and has what it takes, and if that’s true Woody deserves real heartfelt praise.