Transfer Portal w/IU Interest

[RaceToTheTop]

I’m going to run freshman comps for players similar to our incoming freshman and see what they show.  I do think it’s a mistake to assuming that  freshman are only getting a handful of minutes.

[WayneFleekHoosier]

In advanced analytics our new addition ranked in the worst 50 D1 players last season. Out of approximately 2900 rated players. 

[Crimson and Cream]

Most college teams can't survive their top player getting hurt, but man we better hope, pray, wish, or whatever you do to whatever you believe in that Markus Burton stays healthy. 

[str8baller]

49 minutes ago, HoosierHoopster said:

Neither is an on ball guard and Moody's just a frosh but yeah that seems to be the plan... I'd almost bet on Burton missing some games, he's going to be balling hard and he's going to get hit in the B1G, plus he's coming back from missing the bulk of last season. A lot of focus on bigs but if Burton goes down we could tank fast.

Who is going to come here to play 8mpg at backup PG who would magically save us if Burton goes down? 
 

These guys can read a depth chart. Quality players want to play. And any quality PG or center isn’t coming for 5-8mpg and the part that comes with that. You have to fill those slots with developmental guys (we don’t have), frosh, or guys who can play more than one spot. 

[RaceToTheTop]

18 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

In advanced analytics our new addition ranked in the worst 50 D1 players last season. Out of approximately 2900 rated players. 

So you are saying he’s Reed Bailey?

[Stuhoo]

Yeah if Burton misses extended time we’ll be screwed. But that is true for most teams’ most important player.

I would expect that Moody will be ready to contribute, and if we can get a nice surprise-contribution from Karvala, Sokolov, or Manhertz (odds of doing so in that order) things are going to look really rosy really fast.

And if Burton gets hurt and no one steps up from the youngsters? Back to watching IUFB replays on YouTube!!

 

[RaceToTheTop]

I do wonder what other team’s 11-13 players look like.  I do believe there is probably a big drop off.  That said, unless you really think our Euro big can contribute a few minutes, we really need another big.

[bird4par]

Priller have a brotha from another motha? 

[str8baller]

10 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

I do wonder what other team’s 11-13 players look like.  I do believe there is probably a big drop off.  That said, unless you really think our Euro big can contribute a few minutes, we really need another big.

Louisville would be an interesting comp. They’re coming off a slightly disappointing season, are starting from scratch again, and have a similar budget. 

[WayneFleekHoosier]

20 minutes ago, str8baller said:

Louisville would be an interesting comp. They’re coming off a slightly disappointing season, are starting from scratch again, and have a similar budget. 

It’s better than ours. Ours is almost like we are tying to build spots 11-13 with non D1 talent. 
 

Michigan State has 4 star freshman filling those spots. 
 

As rosters fill out, we will have more comparisons.

[HoosierHoopster]

41 minutes ago, str8baller said:

Who is going to come here to play 8mpg at backup PG who would magically save us if Burton goes down? 
 

These guys can read a depth chart. Quality players want to play. And any quality PG or center isn’t coming for 5-8mpg and the part that comes with that. You have to fill those slots with developmental guys (we don’t have), frosh, or guys who can play more than one spot. 

Mostly agree other than the magically save part. We don't have an on ball backup, that's the point (pun intended). Many posts here have been looking for another big who is more than a developmental guy. Is that magical? There are and have been guys in the portal who fit the bill for a backup point, and how many minutes depends on how the minutes are distributed on ball and across the floor. Do we have a guy now who can keep the team afloat if Burton goes down? I don't know, maybe one of these guys like Lindsay can fit that bill, he seems the most likely, I'd just like some more balance on ball as it doesn't matter how many bigs you have if you don't have a good floor general.

[Pryght]

1 hour ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Filling those spots with a freshmen is the way.  Manhertz and Karvala would be great at 11-13.   Even though the ranking like Moody least, I like him most.  Those 3 being 10-12 instead of 8-10 was the answer.  

No, that would be a mistake. If the three freshmen are ranked around 11–13 on the roster, they’d probably never see the court. You’re prioritizing the present too heavily at the expense of the future.

[RaceToTheTop]

1 hour ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

It’s better than ours. Ours is almost like we are tying to build spots 11-13 with non D1 talent. 
 

Michigan State has 4 star freshman filling those spots. 
 

As rosters fill out, we will have more comparisons.

Last season, Jordan Scott averaged 21 minutes/game.  He was ranked 54on 247.  Karbala is ranked 52 this year.

i started the player comps on another thread.

[AH1971]

5 hours ago, RaceToTheTop said:

Hopefully the last guy is #11 and not #13.

I doubt we are coming on the Euro big to be ready to absorb any minutes.  Really need someone capable of playing the 4/5 for depth.

11th or 13th is redundant, that means all 3 freshman are in the top 10 and that’s no bueno. We needed a 7th and 8th man, feels like we have 5-6 players who would normally be in that 11-13 rotation range.

[HoosierHoopster]

1 hour ago, AH1971 said:

11th or 13th is redundant, that means all 3 freshman are in the top 10 and that’s no bueno. We needed a 7th and 8th man, feels like we have 5-6 players who would normally be in that 11-13 rotation range.

Who are the 5-6 players who would normally be 11-13

[AH1971]

33 minutes ago, HoosierHoopster said:

Who are the 5-6 players who would normally be 11-13

Karvala,Manhertz, Skolov, Monden, and likely whoever gets the last spot. Ideally Moody is your 9th or 10th man next year, he’s going to be 7th or 8th. 

6th and 7th players are Sisley and Harris who really haven’t shown anything. It’s an even bigger drop off after that. We lack ball handlers and any kind of reliable front court depth.

[Home Jersey]

28 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

6th and 7th players are Sisley and Harris who really haven’t shown anything. It’s an even bigger drop off after that. We lack ball handlers and any kind of reliable front court depth.

Yup. After the starting 5 things are very uncertain.

We need Harris and Sisley to be, at the very least, solid contributors next year. Have to have it. Hopefully the staff can get it done.

I don't even hate Karvala as 10th man next year. Not getting a 3rd playable big would be problematic though IMO. 

End of the day they're getting paid to figure it out. Just gonna have to wait and see.

[WayneFleekHoosier]

25 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Karvala,Manhertz, Skolov, Monden, and likely whoever gets the last spot. Ideally Moody is your 9th or 10th man next year, he’s going to be 7th or 8th. 

6th and 7th players are Sisley and Harris who really haven’t shown anything. It’s an even bigger drop off after that. We lack ball handlers and any kind of reliable front court depth.

Without a doubt.  Cutting the margins as thin as possible and pushing the freshman into spots of need.  Those spots are to be earned.  
 

I get it.  Building rosters is expensive, especially when you turn over damn near every spot.  But we are literally aiming for practice players.  The number of guys out there that might push our freshman are innumerable.  It’s not the money.  It’s the staff choosing this path.   They basically want a roster of 10.  That’s fine if those 10 don’t have question marks or injury concerns. It’s insane otherwise.  Handcuffing ourselves.  

[WayneFleekHoosier]

4 hours ago, Pryght said:

 

No, that would be a mistake. If the three freshmen are ranked around 11–13 on the roster, they’d probably never see the court. You’re prioritizing the present too heavily at the expense of the future.

Strongly disagree. You get guys that can play, that have assets and upside.  The best players win the spots. Maybe that’s the freshman this year.  If so, great.  If not, we are a better team.  If the freshman can’t earn their spot and EARN PT and are unwilling to work and wait then bye bye.  
 

Purdue have talented players and freshman redshirting often or not playing at all, that turn out to be good players.  That’s college sports. It’s not a charity. You aren’t (shouldn’t be)  given things.  
 

The whole point is you build the best roster you can for the cash you have. The guys that end up 11-13 are the guys that aren’t as good or as ready.  You shouldn’t know until court time together.  Anything predetermined is a mistake.  Another reason it took DeVries so long to figure out Reed Bailey was getting outplayed last year.  
 

making 3 roster spots clear practice guys is just bad news.  Simple as that.  Getting guys that end up being 11-13 practice guys is a different matter.

[Pryght]

6 hours ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Strongly disagree. You get guys that can play, that have assets and upside.  The best players win the spots. Maybe that’s the freshman this year.  If so, great.  If not, we are a better team.  If the freshman can’t earn their spot and EARN PT and are unwilling to work and wait then bye bye.  
 

Purdue have talented players and freshman redshirting often or not playing at all, that turn out to be good players.  That’s college sports. It’s not a charity. You aren’t (shouldn’t be)  given things.  
 

The whole point is you build the best roster you can for the cash you have. The guys that end up 11-13 are the guys that aren’t as good or as ready.  You shouldn’t know until court time together.  Anything predetermined is a mistake.  Another reason it took DeVries so long to figure out Reed Bailey was getting outplayed last year.  
 

making 3 roster spots clear practice guys is just bad news.  Simple as that.  Getting guys that end up being 11-13 practice guys is a different matter.

If all three freshmen end up 11–13, they probably aren’t developing in meaningful ways, and in today’s portal era, those guys usually leave before you ever see the payoff.

Purdue’s model works because they barely rely on the portal and actually build continuity within the program. There’s a clear developmental path and defined future role. That’s why their players are more willing to stay 3–4 years and develop within the system. 

And yes, the best players should earn spots. Nobody disagrees with that. But roster construction still matters. DeVries and Ryan Carr both seem to understand that a balanced approach is the only sustainable path: enough portal talent to compete now, but enough developmental runway for freshmen so you aren’t rebuilding from scratch every year.

Edited May 13 by Pryght