Transfer Portal w IU Interest

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2 hours ago, iu eyedoc said:

Not to be a downer, but these players while they would be nice additions, they are not program changers. None will have the impact of Ware and they are still being coached by the same group that added 2 5 star players last off season and way under produced and are, in there own words, more inside out then...well...everybody.

 

In all honesty, this unbridled excitement is over first or second off the bench guys at the program IU once was and strive to be.

Another way to look at it is they don’t have to be program changers by themselves. MM was a more confident player at the end of the year and MR improved a ton from his freshman year.  If both make another step forward they are more likely to be the program changers. The guys visiting this weekend improve us from X, Cupps and an out of position Gallo. 

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5 minutes ago, iu eyedoc said:

It's not that I don't hope they get good players, it's just that I realize it's like giving Kobe beef and truffles to a line cook at Sonic that doesn't particularly like doing his job. Being realistic isn't an "MO."

Everybody assumes they are realistic.  It's kind of meaningless to say that.  Posting about who IU gets in the portal and saying they would be on the bench 'back in the day' is 100% MO because it literally has nothing to do with the current team and current college game.

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42 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

The reality is what ever is done the next few weeks with the roster still needs to equate to wins come November-March.  It’s only one leg of a three legged stool. 

I think that is obvious to 95% if not more. However frustrating many of us were we were also expecting all the core players to leave and the staff to recruit a bunch of 1 year mercenaries.  Now we see that the core came back and a lot of our targets are multi year players.  Does this translate into a top 10 team, probably not but it is also not the dumpster fire that seemed to be coming based on Rabbys state of the program tweets. 

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1 minute ago, 8bucks said:

I think that is obvious to 95% if not more. However frustrating many of us were we were also expecting all the core players to leave and the staff to recruit a bunch of 1 year mercenaries.  Now we see that the core came back and a lot of our targets are multi year players.  Does this translate into a top 10 team, probably not but it is also not the dumpster fire that seemed to be coming based on Rabbys state of the program tweets. 

Yeah, I don't get it.  People didn't want IU to build with one year players through the portal but we so far they've signed Tucker and Rice and seem to have Carlyle well in hand.  Some wanted players from Indiana, we've reached out to several players and have visits from or are trying to get visits from those players.  Seems like it always goes back to 'they have to show they can win during the sesaon'.  Well, regardless of why they get that's true.  But it's sure a lot easier to do that by getting talent in.  

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Man a lot of folks would be way happier people if they didn’t watch sports 

Agree

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1 hour ago, sirhoosierlot said:

Man a lot of folks would be way happier people if they didn’t watch sports 

As a cubs, bears, and IU fan I agree.  :)

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1 hour ago, 8bucks said:

I think that is obvious to 95% if not more. However frustrating many of us were we were also expecting all the core players to leave and the staff to recruit a bunch of 1 year mercenaries.  Now we see that the core came back and a lot of our targets are multi year players.  Does this translate into a top 10 team, probably not but it is also not the dumpster fire that seemed to be coming based on Rabbys state of the program tweets. 

How do you know they are multi year players.  One hopeful is on his third team.  And things are fluid.  It could very well have been a dumpster fire.  My only point is it does have to play out. We have a long long way to go. 

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12 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

How do you know they are multi year players.  One hopeful is on his third team.  And things are fluid.  It could very well have been a dumpster fire.  My only point is it does have to play out. We have a long long way to go. 

Bc IU NIL is large enough that if one is a contributor they will stay instead of transferring out. 
 

how do you know they are not?

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2 hours ago, sirhoosierlot said:

Man a lot of folks would be way happier people if they didn’t watch sports 

Truer words were never spoken lol

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27 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

How do you know they are multi year players.  One hopeful is on his third team.  And things are fluid.  It could very well have been a dumpster fire.  My only point is it does have to play out. We have a long long way to go. 

Many of the targets could have multiple years left which would have been better than getting all 1 year guys and doing it all over again next summer.  Not all will be multi year but the first two are. Even if we get the #1 class with all our needs met we all know we have to make it work on the court.  But for now, this is turning out better than I expected. 

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Read earlier Hickman was promising. Guess it was bad info.

And then tonight on The other site,  one says he is going to take the Cincinnati visit. 

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Ballo commit by tomorrow evening? At least this week right? 

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9 hours ago, Feathery said:

Sounds like the workplace to me. 
 

only way to solve this is to make them employees and have collective bargaining with the players union, which needs to form. Then they will have revenue share from the tv contracts. This has been discussed as a reason for conference expansion for awhile. The schools know they will have to share revenue eventually and are getting front of it so when they do share they will still have the 50-60 mil per school they had before. Going to be a few years yet but it will get sorted. 

It’s the polar opposite of the most comparable workplace. The nba has a salary cap, minimum salaries, maximum salaries. Rookie contracts giving teams multiple years of control over their draft picks. None of that exists in today’s NCAA. Some of these guys IU is targeting, like Ballo, for example, really aren’t transferring because they want a change of scenery, want a bigger role, etc. He was a vital starter on a 27-9 sweet 16 season. They’re transferring for a paycheck. IU appears to be a beneficiary of the system, so some are fine with it, but I think it’s terrible for the sport. 

My controversial take of the day is that the players need the schools far more than vice versa. By and large, fans watch/show up to games because of the schools, not to watch particular players. Every now and then you get a transcendent player like Caitlyn Clark, but that’s rare. Players are mostly interchangeable. Take Alabama’s football team, take off the Alabama uniform, slap on a Tuscaloosa Tiger uniform, and maybe 10k people show up for novelty reasons. It’d be just another semi-pro league. So, I kind of reject the premise that the players are the reason the schools are making all this money.  NIL makes me wish that players that players could just go pro right out of high school. Take the top 30 or so recruits out of each class and college sports would chug along just fine. But, I recognize that this is where we are in college athletics, and it’s probably just going to get worse. 

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16 minutes ago, Bowhunter said:

Read earlier Hickman was promising. Guess it was bad info.

And then tonight on The other site,  one says he is going to take the Cincinnati visit. 

Other site still said the visit went well, very likely the plan for Hickman was to visit both IU and Cincy before making any final decision. 

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12 minutes ago, Bowhunter said:

Read earlier Hickman was promising. Guess it was bad info.

And then tonight on The other site,  one says he is going to take the Cincinnati visit. 

Hickman obviously has a connection with Drew Adams who recruited him to Bradley, but not so sure he wouldn’t face the same issue there as he would here in terms of playing time and role. From what I can tell 4 of their top 5 guards return, they are bringing in a top 50 wing, and CJ Fredrick would probably get a 6th year waiver considering he missed most of last season on top of taking a redshirt a few years back. I’d actually argue there’s a better avenue to playing time at Indiana. 

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15 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

It’s the polar opposite of the most comparable workplace. The nba has a salary cap, minimum salaries, maximum salaries. Rookie contracts giving teams multiple years of control over their draft picks. None of that exists in today’s NCAA. Some of these guys IU is targeting, like Ballo, for example, really aren’t transferring because they want a change of scenery, want a bigger role, etc. He was a vital starter on a 27-9 sweet 16 season. They’re transferring for a paycheck. IU appears to be a beneficiary of the system, so some are fine with it, but I think it’s terrible for the sport. 

My controversial take of the day is that the players need the schools far more than vice versa. By and large, fans watch/show up to games because of the schools, not to watch particular players. Every now and then you get a transcendent player like Caitlyn Clark, but that’s rare. Players are mostly interchangeable. Take Alabama’s football team, take off the Alabama uniform, slap on a Tuscaloosa Tiger uniform, and maybe 10k people show up for novelty reasons. It’d be just another semi-pro league. So, I kind of reject the premise that the players are the reason the schools are making all this money.  NIL makes me wish that players that players could just go pro right out of high school. Take the top 30 or so recruits out of each class and college sports would chug along just fine. But, I recognize that this is where we are in college athletics, and it’s probably just going to get worse. 

The NIT championship had its highest viewership in 14 years.  Seton Hall isn't a big college bball name and Indiana State is nonexistent.  People love stories, though.  If a nowhere team was all of us a sudden putting up Alabama type of results, the viewership would come in short notice.

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11 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

Indiana State is nonexistent

 

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55 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

It’s the polar opposite of the most comparable workplace. The nba has a salary cap, minimum salaries, maximum salaries. Rookie contracts giving teams multiple years of control over their draft picks. None of that exists in today’s NCAA. Some of these guys IU is targeting, like Ballo, for example, really aren’t transferring because they want a change of scenery, want a bigger role, etc. He was a vital starter on a 27-9 sweet 16 season. They’re transferring for a paycheck. IU appears to be a beneficiary of the system, so some are fine with it, but I think it’s terrible for the sport. 

My controversial take of the day is that the players need the schools far more than vice versa. By and large, fans watch/show up to games because of the schools, not to watch particular players. Every now and then you get a transcendent player like Caitlyn Clark, but that’s rare. Players are mostly interchangeable. Take Alabama’s football team, take off the Alabama uniform, slap on a Tuscaloosa Tiger uniform, and maybe 10k people show up for novelty reasons. It’d be just another semi-pro league. So, I kind of reject the premise that the players are the reason the schools are making all this money.  NIL makes me wish that players that players could just go pro right out of high school. Take the top 30 or so recruits out of each class and college sports would chug along just fine. But, I recognize that this is where we are in college athletics, and it’s probably just going to get worse. 

I think what tied the college fan to the college team was the shared experience.  Everyone was a “student.”  We saw those guys around campus.  Some had the same classes.  Saw them at parties. Etc.  Money and transfers have ruined that aspect.  As time goes on the connection will be lost and they may as well be Tuscaloosa Tigers. It’s happened with professional free agency — the players just rent the uniform.  The fans are fans “for life.”  But honestly I have lost interest in the pros — I have little clue who’s on the team these days.  

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1 hour ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

It’s the polar opposite of the most comparable workplace. The nba has a salary cap, minimum salaries, maximum salaries. Rookie contracts giving teams multiple years of control over their draft picks. None of that exists in today’s NCAA. Some of these guys IU is targeting, like Ballo, for example, really aren’t transferring because they want a change of scenery, want a bigger role, etc. He was a vital starter on a 27-9 sweet 16 season. They’re transferring for a paycheck. IU appears to be a beneficiary of the system, so some are fine with it, but I think it’s terrible for the sport. 

My controversial take of the day is that the players need the schools far more than vice versa. By and large, fans watch/show up to games because of the schools, not to watch particular players. Every now and then you get a transcendent player like Caitlyn Clark, but that’s rare. Players are mostly interchangeable. Take Alabama’s football team, take off the Alabama uniform, slap on a Tuscaloosa Tiger uniform, and maybe 10k people show up for novelty reasons. It’d be just another semi-pro league. So, I kind of reject the premise that the players are the reason the schools are making all this money.  NIL makes me wish that players that players could just go pro right out of high school. Take the top 30 or so recruits out of each class and college sports would chug along just fine. But, I recognize that this is where we are in college athletics, and it’s probably just going to get worse. 

I’d argue the NBA is not the normal working environment. I was referring to the average workplace  

I work as a contracted worker but I can break the contract with notice. So I support the right of anyone to have free movement of employment. I know I don’t want anyone telling me I have to stay somewhere I don’t want to be. 
 

also if the players aren’t worth it then why is Iu paying? Bc they are worth if you want to compete. If you want to be a D2 school then sure don’t pay NIL. 

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4 hours ago, Golfman25 said:

The reality is what ever is done the next few weeks with the roster still needs to equate to wins come November-March.  It’s only one leg of a three legged stool. 

I'd argue that you have to get players so you can win come November-March. I'd like to equate it to what a wise man once said, "you can't drink all day if you don't start in the morning"