Anyone Still Want to ‘Fire Scott Dolson’?

[Pagoda 1,170]

1 minute ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

That’s fair. We’ll see what he does with Woodson now. It’s just frustrating. Say he fired Woodson last year. Would the IU powers have immediately fired him? Maybe, but I doubt it. Not right away. And there’s no way they’d fire him at this point with the success IU football had + the success May/Pearl could’ve had. It would’ve been a risk, but it would’ve paid off. Instead Dolson played it safe. That’s better for his own job security, and hey I can’t blame a guy for looking out for himself and not rocking the boat, but it ruined yet another IU basketball season.

I can’t know for sure.  But IUBB has been a political shitstorm for 25 years, and it’s very hard to deal with.

It sounded like Scott was one of the few who wanted a new coach last year.  If he moved on Woody, there is a good chance he angers our two biggest donors, and that’s risky, they could easily pull back on NIL and donations, and that would have a serious negative impact on IU.  I also heard Pam was not on board for a change yet, which doesn’t help, that’s his boss and he needs her for the candidate search. And then there is Quinn, worst Chairman imaginable.  Scott seemed to be on an island and it’s hard to do much from there.

The whole thing absolutely sucks.  In the end, Scott seems to get it and I don’t see anyone else around who has a better chance to get this next hire right.  And at this point, it is on Scott to take control and make a change and importantly, get the next hire right. Tough task.

[Golfman25 5,822]

1 hour ago, IUFAN1976 said:

I agree with this!  Dolson may not have had the power taken away before, but definitely not now and not pulling the plug now means he is still worried about the optics and sticking to the plan.  I think the plan is to make it look like this clown is leaving on his own terms so an ex-IU legend can save face and not look bad getting fired.  I’m sorry but that ship has actually said along time ago.  Fire him now so you don’t make the basketball program and university look any worse than we are now.  If Dolson doesn’t fire by the end of the tomorrow, then he needs to go too.

Nah.  Since Woodson won’t voluntarily retire he’s making him ride out this chitshow so nobody can claim he fired a good coach.   He’ll be able to rub Buckner and company’s nose in it if they try to interfere with the next guy.   

[MikeRoberts 7,248]

1 hour ago, JerryYeagley23 said:

You’re wrong on this. These two things are not the same. 

I’m not wrong and never said they were the same. Some like to give Dolson a complete pass for the state of Indiana basketball and they shouldn’t. He was unqualified to be the AD and had no idea what he was doing leading a bigtime search and we ended up with another unqualified person as a result. When you take on a job you are not qualified for and have no experience in you get steamrolled and that is exactly what happened.

 

[Josh 12,736]

1 hour ago, JerryYeagley23 said:

We’re comparing the control and ownership of the program for IU football to IU basketball now as if the process was the same? Okay. The two processes couldn’t have been more different. But this is a message board, continue messaging. 

Nobody said they were the same.  That's your own narrative.  I'm just saying Dolson does not get a pass for this mess.  He's the AD, he's ultimately responsible.  He's not some superhero who will save us, his leadership entrenched us in this mess.  His PR team is obviously amazing but his handling of the situation is not.

[steubenhoosier 1,096]

This is all fine to pass the time talking about this while we wait for Woodson to get let go. But there’s no way, after the football season we just had, that Dolson is in jeopardy. For the majority of college athletics, football is driver of the athletic department. IU is just now joining that party. The success of Cig and his program is going to far overshadow the basketball program 

[MikeRoberts 7,248]

6 minutes ago, steubenhoosier said:

This is all fine to pass the time talking about this while we wait for Woodson to get let go. But there’s no way, after the football season we just had, that Dolson is in jeopardy. For the majority of college athletics, football is driver of the athletic department. IU is just now joining that party. The success of Cig and his program is going to far overshadow the basketball program 

I agree with you in that Dolson isn’t going to get fired and I also don’t believe he should be at this point.

what I will say that is 100% fact is that Dolson’s inability to move quickly and swiftly and instill confidence in those in power during the search empowered others to take the lead. Therefore, he is also to blame for the mess we are in with the basketball program.

i believe he should get some credit for sure for what Cig has done but let’s be honest, if IU Baskebtall can return to elite status, this will quickly become a basketball school again, one or a few years of good football won’t change that.

[str8baller 5,713]

4 hours ago, Pagoda said:

I can’t know for sure.  But IUBB has been a political shitstorm for 25 years, and it’s very hard to deal with.

It sounded like Scott was one of the few who wanted a new coach last year.  If he moved on Woody, there is a good chance he angers our two biggest donors, and that’s risky, they could easily pull back on NIL and donations, and that would have a serious negative impact on IU.  I also heard Pam was not on board for a change yet, which doesn’t help, that’s his boss and he needs her for the candidate search. And then there is Quinn, worst Chairman imaginable.  Scott seemed to be on an island and it’s hard to do much from there.

The whole thing absolutely sucks.  In the end, Scott seems to get it and I don’t see anyone else around who has a better chance to get this next hire right.  And at this point, it is on Scott to take control and make a change and importantly, get the next hire right. Tough task.

I’ll buy all this. 
 

I’m just curious why we’re supposed to believe Dolson gets free reign this time? Donors will be the same. Buckner will be lurking whether he’s on the BOT or not. President will be the same. Even if I thought Dolson would nail it if left alone, there’s no reason to believe he’ll be granted said autonomy. 

[Alford Bailey 12,421]

If football remains on the current path Dolson will never be fired for basketball. Those days are gone.

[Pagoda 1,170]

5 hours ago, str8baller said:

I’ll buy all this. 
 

I’m just curious why we’re supposed to believe Dolson gets free reign this time? Donors will be the same. Buckner will be lurking whether he’s on the BOT or not. President will be the same. Even if I thought Dolson would nail it if left alone, there’s no reason to believe he’ll be granted said autonomy. 

My $0.02:

Buckner leaving his Chairman/Trustee role does matter.  He can lurk, but he has no formal power, and that matters.  His last recommendation failed, who wants to listen to him again?  Does he even have another crony pal he would want to push really hard for?  Once Woody is gone, I doubt he cares enough about another coach candidate to meddle again.

Same donors are around, but they look stupid after ignoring Scott's plan to move on last year and instead backing Woody another year with more money.  Lesson learned?  Hopefully.

Everyone saw what Scott and Pam did when left alone with FB.  

I've got pretty good intel Scott was on an island last year.  This year, I don't have much unique insight beyond what we all read in the FMW thread, Doyel's article, etc. -- basically Woody is done and Scott has more power.  We'll see.

Even if Scott gets autonomy, he has to get this hire right.  I'm more concerned about this.  I think he can do it, but the whole program is riding on him getting it right.

I defend Scott some in this thread because: who else do we have to make a bball coaching change?  The trustees and donors are incompetent with respect to the bball program.  This isn't Pam's area of expertise.  No one else in the athletic dept has hired a coach before.  If Scott were replaced, his replacement would be weaker than he is, Pam/trustees won't hire an AD that Day 1 turns around and bulldozes them.  It continues to look like Scott is our best shot to get a good coach.

[str8baller 5,713]

1 hour ago, Pagoda said:

Even if Scott gets autonomy, he has to get this hire right.  I'm more concerned about this.  I think he can do it, but the whole program is riding on him getting it right.

Yea, that is also a concern. Even good programs make missteps. They tend to correct them quickly but they get made. So much of it comes down to timing. There may not be a great coach available. But if you’re going to poach a big name, you can’t really do that by committee. 

[Asha’man 60]

3 hours ago, str8baller said:

Yea, that is also a concern. Even good programs make missteps. They tend to correct them quickly but they get made. So much of it comes down to timing. There may not be a great coach available. But if you’re going to poach a big name, you can’t really do that by committee. 

I don’t care if it’s a name or not but looking at his other hires, I think he is going to value experience. That’s why I don’t have any concerns about an interim finishing the year and being retained as HC. 
 

To the previous posters concern about getting it right. That’s the concern every hire. Unless the hire is the right one, the cycle of a 3-4 year turnover will continue. That’s not unique to this cycle. 

[coonhounds 9,460]

I keep seeing dolson is awesome and the greatest for fixing football. Let's just give it some time. I pray we can continue to be good. I am not convinced we ever make another playoff or ever win a big 10. I am also not sold we will be ranked in the top 20 ever again by seasons end. Let's all hope i am way wrong. Mfer better be fixing basketball and soon cause his football shine may not last long!

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[Pagoda 1,170]

Or his FB shine may last awhile.