Fire Coach Woodson Thread

[AH1971 1,713]

3 minutes ago, Home Jersey said:

You're seriously saying it's true that the fans are responsible for IU's failures? Lmao man. 

Solely responsible? Of course not never said that. But if you don't win overnight, you're on the chopping block quick. 

[woodenshoemanHoosierfan 6,292]

The one thing that worries me about McDermott was that he did get to a P5 team before and it went very poorly....four straight losing seasons at Iowa State, 18-46 in the Big 12.  I will say prior to IU hiring Kelvin Sampson, McDermott was a guy I thought IU should consider based on him putting Northern Iowa on the map.
Not saying I wouldn't want him, but there is that one hiccup in his resume.

I thought that was the Murray State Coach at Iowa State and not McDermott. Am I not remembering correctly?

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[Stuhoo 82,313]

4 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

1. Brad Brownell would say all the right things,
2. gush at the opportunity of returning "home",
3. speak the history of basketball in this state to existence, yada yada yada
4. He wouldn't win many basketball games however. 

1. Fact
2. Fact
3. Fact

And none of these things is a bad thing to do. In fact ANYONE we hire, including Wade "strong-@$$" Willie, will cite those exact same sentiments. BTW, no one, and I mean no one, is propping up Brad Brownell as the ultimate hire. The exact same way that no one is propping up Schertz as the ultimate hire. Try comparing Strong-@$$ Willie to McCasland or Devries if you want to be more realistic instead of again pushing disingenuous red herrings.

       4. Opinion

[AH1971 1,713]

1 minute ago, Pagoda said:

Yet other schools with similar large and engaged fanbases have success.

You don’t seem to understand the cause of our problem.  IU’s fans are a huge asset.  The coaches we hire and therefore also the people who hired them are the causes of IUBB’s struggles.

You can count on one hand the number of schools whose fans expect their team to win at the level IU fans expect. The only issue is that IU is the one school who hasn't done it in 30+ years. 

[HoosierHuddle 256]

Whew...the Chris Beard back and forth was getting very old. I imagine everyone is SOOO happy we can fill several pages of the chat with the Will Wade discourse while Brad Brownell (who, by the way, has Clemson at 9-1 in the ACC after going to the Elite Eight last season) catches strays for no apparent reason. 

Anyway, I'd be interested to know some answers to the two following questions: if we assume Brad Stevens is #1 and Dusty May is #2 on Scott Dolson's list and we also end up at the unfortunate position that both say "thanks but no thanks"...if we needed number three to say "yes", who would the third call go to if you were making the hire? Who do you believe would be the third person Scott Dolson would make if he needed the third person to say "yes"? 

[Pagoda 1,211]

2 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Solely responsible? Of course not never said that. But if you don't win overnight, you're on the chopping block quick. 

Not true.  Our coaches got time to succeed and the firings were earned and deserved.

[BleedCubbieBlue 1,470]

4 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Bud Mackey was and he was convicted of trafficking crack-cocaine...WHILE IN HIGH SCHOOL.

Eli Holman was and he missed his junior season for punching out a referee mid game and then most of his senior season after getting shot in the head at a gang affiliated party.

Sampson was here less than 24 months. 

Please stop. You have become a parody of yourself. Eli was at a “gang affiliated party”?

You are ridiculous. If you are standing on a subway platform and a shooting occurs are you “gang affiliated”?

You like to get cute with words but I am a little more blunt. You are full of $hit and will spin anything to fit your narrative. Go back to the bridge you live under, troll.

[AH1971 1,713]

2 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

1. Fact
2. Fact
3. Fact

And none of these things is a bad thing to do. In fact ANYONE we hire, including Wade "strong-@$$" Willie, will cite those exact same sentiments.

       4. Opinion

Forgive me for thinking the guy who has a .500 winning % in-conference at Clemson over the last 15 years wouldn't come storming into Bloomington and kill it overnight.

My bad.

 

[8bucks 6,563]

16 minutes ago, VFury said:

While everyone is here clutching their pearls about Will Wade, I'll remind everyone that we venerate a guy who did pic related. And throwing a chair isn't even the worst thing Knight did while he was here.

Is chair throwing bad?

[AH1971 1,713]

1 minute ago, BleedCubbieBlue said:

Please stop. You have become a parody of yourself. Eli was at a “gang affiliated party”?

You are ridiculous. If you are standing on a subway platform and a shooting occurs are you “gang affiliated”?

You like to get cute with words but I am a little more blunt. You are full of $hit and will spin anything to fit your narrative. Go back to the bridge you live under, troll.

If you want to defend the actions of the kids Sampson recruited, by all means you're free to do so. Zero interest in seeing that caliber of character in Bloomington ever again. 

 

[Pagoda 1,211]

2 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

You can count on one hand the number of schools whose fans expect their team to win at the level IU fans expect. The only issue is that IU is the one school who hasn't done it in 30+ years. 

We haven’t done it in 30 years because we hired bad coaches.

Expectations here aren’t that high.  Tom got three years to rebuild.  Woody was “okay” for two years and still had very strong support going into year three.  That only changed when he completely imploded and it was 100% his fault.

IU is a poorly run program.  Maybe Scott will fix that.  We’ll see.

[Stuhoo 82,313]

7 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

You can count on one hand the number of schools whose fans expect their team to win at the level IU fans expect. The only issue is that IU is the one school who hasn't done it in 30+ years. 

Yes, IU fans expect the team's NET to be better than the 30th - 100th that it has been every single year that Mike Woodson has been coach.

So yes, with sellout crowds and unlimited resources, IU fans expect better than mid/below-mid pack B1G.

[Stuhoo 82,313]

1 minute ago, AH1971 said:

If you want to defend the actions of the kids Sampson recruited, by all means you're free to do so. Zero interest in seeing that caliber of character in Bloomington ever again. 

 

Bingo.

And I don't want a coach that would fit right in with them.

[AH1971 1,713]

Just now, Pagoda said:

IU is a poorly run program.  Maybe Scott will fix that.  We’ll see.

Well we are talking about hiring guys like Brad Brownell so you may have a point.

[VFury 60]

2 minutes ago, 8bucks said:

Is chair throwing bad?

No, I don't really care. But if we were looking at coaching candidates, and there were a big time winner who also happened to throw stuff in fits of rage, people here would be up in arms and prepared to burn their IU gear if IU even gave him an interview. Just pointing out the obvious hypocrisy.

[WayneFleekHoosier 48,880]

Just now, Pagoda said:

We haven’t done it in 30 years because we hired bad coaches.

Expectations here aren’t that high.  Tom got three years to rebuild.  Woody was “okay” for two years and still had very strong support going into year three.  That only changed when he completely imploded and it was 100% his fault.

IU is a poorly run program.  Maybe Scott will fix that.  We’ll see.

Too much focus and attention on things that don’t actually contribute to winning.  Gotta repriorotize the foundations of the University towards a winning mentality. 

[Stuhoo 82,313]

Just now, AH1971 said:

Well we are talking about hiring guys like Brad Brownell so you may have a point.

Well, we are talking about a hundred different guys that could or could not be hired. Because it's a basketball message board.

[AZ Hoosier 8,065]

50 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Strong-@$$ offers is literally the name of the game in college basketball these days. And he's one of the best at it. Dude is a flat out winner. That's who I want leading this program, not some nice guy I want at my backyard bbq.

Hey, @Class of '66 Old Fart, he said "dude"!

:) :) :) :) :) :) :)

[Pagoda 1,211]

2 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Well we are talking about hiring guys like Brad Brownell so you may have a point.

We don’t run the program.  I don’t know who will be hired.

[BleedCubbieBlue 1,470]

1 minute ago, AH1971 said:

If you want to defend the actions of the kids Sampson recruited, by all means you're free to do so. Zero interest in seeing that caliber of character in Bloomington ever again. 

 

I am not defending them. Once again you are twisting things around to try to fit your narrative. Your bull$hit tactics aren’t going to work on me. I $hit out chunks of dudes bigger than you on the reg.