Fire Coach Woodson Thread

[Banksyrules 4,712]

Ok I better go to bed then.  @KathywithaC thank you so much for petty interactions.  Thanks to you (shout out to all the legends Thyme, AH, Steuben, you’re also heroes) we will reach record posting levels on this topic.  Remember folks, don’t forget to beg your kids to ask the tooth fairy to get rid of Woodson before it’s too late. Go Hoosiers. 

[IU Prof 850]

7 minutes ago, KathywithaC said:

Usually, the simplest answer is also the correct one.

Agreed. But for someone who claims to be here simply to share insight into how institutional decision-making happens, you seem to be posting with incredible frequency and defensiveness. The simple answer to that resulting quandary is that you are really here for a very different reason than the one you profess.

[MemphisHoosier 2,134]

Man....we are reaching Finkle is Einhorn...Einhorn is Finkle levels of depravity, and I am 100% here for it.

[MikeRoberts 6,991]

48 minutes ago, KathywithaC said:

Do you think Bubba pushed out Mack Brown without getting the support of his President? Do you think he’d push Hubert out without doing the same thing? If not, then they’re not conducting things any differently than we do.

Maybe you just aren’t doing a good job of explaining the layers of incompetence at IU. Nobody said Dolson should make all of his coaching hiring and firings in a vacuum. He should consult with others but at the end of the day, make the decision without others interfering. That is common practice for most hirings - the final decision has to be with a person, not group think.

[hoosierbannerd 1,593]

23 minutes ago, KathywithaC said:

We haven’t had the right guy leading the program. 

If we haven't found the "right guy" to lead one of the historically top basketball programs in the nation since RMK, then that's an IU system problem. 

[HinnyHoosier 4,883]

19 minutes ago, MemphisHoosier said:

Man....we are reaching Finkle is Einhorn...Einhorn is Finkle levels of depravity, and I am 100% here for it.

 

[DChoosier 8,312]

8 hours ago, Pagoda said:

Wrong.  There are well run athletic departments, and ones that aren't.

Universities with well run athletic departments give their AD responsibility to manage the teams, they set expectations in terms of results, and then hold the AD accountable.  Management 101, it applies to any organization, including ones within universities.  

Poorly run athletic departments have outsiders or "stakeholders" exerting influence.  When this happens it's no longer clear who is responsible for the results or who should be held accountable (and some higher up "stakeholders" can't be held accountable, like Quinn).  The outsiders are rarely better than the AD at making personnel decisions, and they often have huge conflicts ("He may be the best human being I know" lol).  This is a nightmare situation for any organization and creates terrible results.  

Also, there is no way you're a trustee or whatever you claim to be. 

I don’t think Kathy is wrong.

AD’s don’t make these hire/fire decisions in a vacuum or on their own.

Do you think the A&M AD came to the conclusion to fire Jimbo on his own even though Jimbo was owed 75 million?

Kudos to SD for firing Allen but there is no way in hell he fired him, with a 17mm buyout, without consulting the “stakeholders”.

Good or bad it’s reality.

[KathywithaC 493]

36 minutes ago, IU Prof said:

Agreed. But for someone who claims to be here simply to share insight into how institutional decision-making happens, you seem to be posting with incredible frequency and defensiveness. The simple answer to that resulting quandary is that you are really here for a very different reason than the one you profess.

I shouldn’t have responded when I was attacked, so I’ll take the blame for that. No excuse.

[DChoosier 8,312]

8 hours ago, hoosierbannerd said:

So Kathy or any other supposed insider...I know for awhile after RMK, the apparent thought was no basketball coach "bigger than the program".. is that still a prevalent thought within IU admin or the Athletic Department?

That was several university presidents and 25 years ago…..

[MikeRoberts 6,991]

44 minutes ago, KathywithaC said:

Agree with everything here except the top 10 roster part - I don’t think we have that. Davis, Sampson, Dakich, Crean, Miller, Woodson - not one inspired choice, and the results prove it.

Once again you are proving that he has to go. If we paid top dollar for these mercenaries, that is a fact, and it isn’t a top 10 roster than what the f? We paid top dollar for a not top 10 roster? That is incompetence and stupidity at a minimum

[KathywithaC 493]

27 minutes ago, MikeRoberts said:

Maybe you just aren’t doing a good job of explaining the layers of incompetence at IU. Nobody said Dolson should make all of his coaching hiring and firings in a vacuum. He should consult with others but at the end of the day, make the decision without others interfering. That is common practice for most hirings - the final decision has to be with a person, not group think.

Universities and university athletic departments don’t tend to work that way, perhaps because the environment is so unique.

[MikeRoberts 6,991]

8 minutes ago, DChoosier said:

I don’t think Kathy is wrong.

AD’s don’t make these hire/fire decisions in a vacuum or on their own.

Do you think the A&M AD came to the conclusion to fire Jimbo on his own even though Jimbo was owed 75 million?

Kudos to SD for firing Allen but there is no way in hell he fired him, with a 17mm buyout, without consulting the “stakeholders”.

Good or bad it’s reality.

Consult.. yes, of course. But the buck should stop with the AD as is the case at most schools. He/she/they don’t have to get anyone’s approval. Hearing people’s opinions is great, that’s called info gathering 

[JF87 1,435]

Having read most of the posts in the last 8 hours, I don't understand the hostility towards Kathy with a C. Sure, it's not what we want to hear, but she is right imo.  I agree that Dolson is not going to make any change during the season.  Mike Woodson wants to be the IU coach, and he has enough clout with the stakeholders to keep his job. The Big Ten season has yet to play out.  I'm sure that many of these stakeholders either believe or hope that Woodson can turn the season around. Like it or not, college sports today are about NIL and boosters' money.  That gives boosters input on coaching decisions along with the AD, President, and the Board. My guess is that as long as Woodson has support among a majority of these decision makers, Dolson will not rock the boat.  

 

[hoosierbannerd 1,593]

4 minutes ago, DChoosier said:

That was several university presidents and 25 years ago…..

Yet no big name coach.. except Sampson.. has came..why is that?

[TadQueasy 685]

Holy smokes batman!! I saw all the activity on this thread since my last visit and I thought maybe Woody had been fired and I had not heard.  

This thread is a gift that continues to give, but man it is tough catching up on days like today!   

(do any of you people actually work or do anything other than reading and responding here?) ;) 

[KathywithaC 493]

29 minutes ago, hoosierbannerd said:

If we haven't found the "right guy" to lead one of the historically top basketball programs in the nation since RMK, then that's an IU system problem. 

Among other things.

[Pagoda 199]

9 minutes ago, DChoosier said:

I don’t think Kathy is wrong.

AD’s don’t make these hire/fire decisions in a vacuum or on their own.

Do you think the A&M AD came to the conclusion to fire Jimbo on his own even though Jimbo was owed 75 million?

Kudos to SD for firing Allen but there is no way in hell he fired him, with a 17mm buyout, without consulting the “stakeholders”.

Good or bad it’s reality.

The difference is trusting Scott to make the decision vs. telling him what the decision is.

Yea he has to get sign-off from Pam and potentially the board, and probably raise money from donors.  However that’s different than Quinn telling Scott the hire really should be Woody or it is going to be Woody.  Or Herbert telling Greenspan that Kelvin is the guy.

[hoosierbannerd 1,593]

Just now, KathywithaC said:

Among other things.

other things such as?

[MikeRoberts 6,991]

6 minutes ago, KathywithaC said:

Universities and university athletic departments don’t tend to work that way, perhaps because the environment is so unique.

That is not true at all. My father worked in the athletic department at a university for 30 years and that was not the case there and in speaking to him that is not the case most places. He too is not shocked to hear IU has no accountability which is what happens when nobody in particular is appointed to make the final decision.

[KathywithaC 493]

7 minutes ago, MikeRoberts said:

Consult.. yes, of course. But the buck should stop with the AD as is the case at most schools. He/she/they don’t have to get anyone’s approval. Hearing people’s opinions is great, that’s called info gathering 

That’s not how it works just about anywhere. We aren’t unique.