Anthony Leal vs Penn State - Saturday, 02.03.24 @ Noon on FS1

[Golfman25 6,013]

2 hours ago, IUFAN1976 said:

Because he’s a players coach and he tries to stay loyal to his current players coach and the fact that other recruits didn’t want to come here because they knew they would have to share minutes with Trey and X

Could be right.  I guess I just wouldn't want that from a good coach.  Each year everything is open --  Earn your minutes.  It's the only way to keep it "fair."  

[Golfman25 6,013]

3 minutes ago, Ngw7183 said:

Others were willing to bench guys. Tell recruits that and/or lie to them.

Woody tells them, you will have to earn it. Same as X and Trey. Guys coming from outside take the sure thing. Either an obvious opening or coach telling me I have that role (Timberlake) 

Irony is most here would have said Woody’s option is the right way. The right way doesn’t work in transfer portal world. Cut throat. 

You also have to hold all your cards, hard sell guys etc. that hasn’t been Woody’s style at all. You show your hand early and don’t fawn over them, you lose.  Again, he wants guys that want to play for IU, get education etc.

Does that work for a Purdue now, sure. We are not them.  Are we taking win now or long term vision? We want win now? Got to play ugly. Money itself doesn’t solve it. 

Bobby was a hell of a coach and could have won with less but he would have mightily struggled in this environment. Many old school guys are. 

Woody doesn’t need to change system. He needs to change he recruiting. I believe be wants to win bad enough to do it. If he doesn’t, he will bow out like many are and we will hopefully get a guy who will because that is how you win at higher levels now.  That is my fear with lower level guys. They don’t understand this new world at high level. 

Sorry, you don't want to win now at the expense of sacrificing the long term.  You would prefer to do both, and the portal gives you that opportunity.  And it is never wrong to do it the right way.  Lying to players, and playing BS games, doesn't build you a program.  That's why I am adamant about his epic failure to stack up a few HS kids this year -- that's how you build long-term success, so you don't need to BS your way in the portal.    

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4 hours ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

 

Woodson is too old to reinvent the wheel. And Indiana isn’t the place to be struggling to find your identity or an identity that works.

 

And if he changes his system to a system he doesn’t know frontwards and backwards is he the guy to lead that new system?

 

We all know he needs to change. But it’s hard to change and even if he does it likely means he’s not the best guy to be running the show

 

 

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I agree that we aren’t going to see many changes in the system.  So if we are going to be a better shooting team, we have to have better shooters…particularly guards.

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5 hours ago, Golfman25 said:

Do we know he did that?  Or did he say "everyone has to earn their minutes" even the incoming transferee?  How do we know that the transferees were not guaranteed minutes so they went with some coach who lied to them?  That Timberlake at Kansas fits the bill.  Went from 30+ min at Towson to barely seeing the floor (11 min) at Kansas.  Why would he do that?  

If you do lie about minutes enough, that eventually makes its rounds to recruits and they are less likely to recruit.  But the kansases of the world are able to get by with it because they are just bringing in a different burger boy if someone doesn’t commit.

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14 hours ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

And Indiana isn’t the place to be struggling to find your identity or an identity that works.

 

 

Yeah as only a 3rd year head coach in college fair or unfair IU isn’t the place for a coach to try and figure it out and learn on the job.   That’s what this comes down to.  It’s why Dolson tried to put in place a system that was trying to have it both ways by getting his IU and having a person near him that has navigated the college basketball landscape with Matta.   That lasted a year.   My opinion only,  Woody thought it would be easier than what it actually is and underestimated the time commitment for the head coaching job at IU. Coaching in game is probably less the 50 percent of the actual job.  

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2 hours ago, Uspshoosier said:

Yeah as only a 3rd year head coach in college fair or unfair IU isn’t the place for a coach to try and figure it out and learn on the job.   That’s what this comes down to.  It’s why Dolson tried to put in place a system that was trying to have it both ways by getting his IU and having a person near him that has navigated the college basketball landscape with Matta.   That lasted a year.   My opinion only, Woody thought it would be easier than what it actually is and underestimated the time commitment for  the head coaching job at IU .   Coaching in game is probably less the 50 percent of the actual job.  

Very true. You’re basically GM, Personal Director and Head Coach.  It a 24/7/365 day job.  If you’re not in practice or a game, you’re evaluating recruits or on the road.  But Woodson knew better and froze out guys there to help him with this.  Well here we are.  

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Any good movies coming out that I could go see this Saturday night at 8 pm to avert my eyes from us getting massacred at Purdue?

[IUc2016 7,121]

2 hours ago, Uspshoosier said:

Yeah as only a 3rd year head coach in college fair or unfair IU isn’t the place for a coach to try and figure it out and learn on the job.   That’s what this comes down to.  It’s why Dolson tried to put in place a system that was trying to have it both ways by getting his IU and having a person near him that has navigated the college basketball landscape with Matta.   That lasted a year.   My opinion only,  Woody thought it would be easier than what it actually is and underestimated the time commitment for the head coaching job at IU. Coaching in game is probably less the 50 percent of the actual job.  

You could sub. out Woody and IU for literally any NBA coach/alum coming back to coach in college and it still be true. They do not understand the time commitment and I can't think of one who has succeeded in college. It's also the reason college coaches who are successful in the NBA don't come back.

It is written and discussed ad nauseum by CBB writers and pundits and the administration still chose to go this route.  

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8 minutes ago, IUc2016 said:

You could sub. out Woody and IU for literally any NBA coach/alum coming back to coach in college and it still be true. They do not understand the time commitment and I can't think of one who has succeeded in college. It's also the reason college coaches who are successful in the NBA don't come back.

It is written and discussed ad nauseum by CBB writers and pundits and the administration still chose to go this route.  

It's why one would be hard pressed to find an NBA coach that wants to coach college instead.

It just simply is not as good a job for quality of life, in many, many ways.

[IUFAN1976 4,139]

It’s not just because they are NBA coaches, it also some of the intangibles that is needed to win at the college level.  I think Woodson does ok in some but when it comes to roster construction, flexibility, and leadership, he freaking sucks!  I was watching some of the Penn State game again and Woodson made 0 adjustments at halftime.  It was obvious Penn State was make their run in the 1st, they were searching out the switch on Reneau and once they got that switch with him guarding Ace Baldwin, Baldwin made his move and it got our defense out of sync.  It was almost every time down and yet Woodson made 0 adjustments.  Why not stop switching, fall back into a zone, do something even if it’s wrong.  The definition of insanity is doing the same thing but expecting different results!

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6 minutes ago, IUFAN1976 said:

It’s not just because they are NBA coaches, it also some of the intangibles that is needed to win at the college level.  I think Woodson does ok in some but when it comes to roster construction, flexibility, and leadership, he freaking sucks!  I was watching some of the Penn State game again and Woodson made 0 adjustments at halftime.  It was obvious Penn State was make their run in the 1st, they were searching out the switch on Reneau and once they got that switch with him guarding Ace Baldwin, Baldwin made his move and it got our defense out of sync.  It was almost every time down and yet Woodson made 0 adjustments.  Why not stop switching, fall back into a zone, do something even if it’s wrong.  The definition of insanity is doing the same thing but expecting different results!

His ego won't let him.  It's HIS defense.  THIS is how it is run.  Doesn't matter if we get a terrible mismatch and it costs us the game.  I'M RIGHT, everyone else is wrong.  

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16 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

His ego won't let him.  It's HIS defense.  THIS is how it is run.  Doesn't matter if we get a terrible mismatch and it costs us the game.  I'M RIGHT, everyone else is wrong.  

Exactly!  Makes no adjustments and I bet he doesn’t listen to any of his assistants.  My guess is, one or two of his assistants will be scapegoats after the year.

[Golfman25 6,013]

1 hour ago, IUFAN1976 said:

Exactly!  Makes no adjustments and I bet he doesn’t listen to any of his assistants.  My guess is, one or two of his assistants will be scapegoats after the year.

We know of one who apparently dodged a bullet.  :)  

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55 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

We know of one who apparently dodged a bullet.  :)  

Which one?  I am assuming it was Kenya Hunter but not 100% sure

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1 hour ago, IUFAN1976 said:

Which one?  I am assuming it was Kenya Hunter but not 100% sure

Dane Fife. 

 

Look out for incoming.  :)  

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7 hours ago, IUc2016 said:

You could sub. out Woody and IU for literally any NBA coach/alum coming back to coach in college and it still be true. They do not understand the time commitment and I can't think of one who has succeeded in college. It's also the reason college coaches who are successful in the NBA don't come back.

The problem is Woody isn’t very good at the coaching part either. Other than roster construction, the talent level of recruiting has been solid. But he’s not a good xs and os guy, outside of some nice sets from time to time. He doesn’t make great in game adjustments, and his substitution patterns seem to hurt more than help. 
 

Last year, I got into a back and forth with a poster on here where I said your “average NBA coach” isn’t great at X&Os. Woody is a two time head coach and career assistant, so I think he certainly qualifies as “average NBA level.”  But he’s not a good Xs and Os guy.  Who is from the NBA that made it to college? Penny? Patrick Ewing? Juwaun Howard? Musselman? Stackhouse?  
 

I don’t really care how much time Woody golf’s. He landed a decent class last year and 3 portal guys. Had one of them been a rotation worthy guard we’re probably still in contention for the tourney. But even then I don’t think a portal guard solves our basic defensive ineptitude which is schematic. 

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Yeah as only a 3rd year head coach in college fair or unfair IU isn’t the place for a coach to try and figure it out and learn on the job.   That’s what this comes down to.  It’s why Dolson tried to put in place a system that was trying to have it both ways by getting his IU and having a person near him that has navigated the college basketball landscape with Matta.   That lasted a year.   My opinion only,  Woody thought it would be easier than what it actually is and underestimated the time commitment for the head coaching job at IU. Coaching in game is probably less the 50 percent of the actual job.  

If it had to be an iu guy it should have been alford. You don't hire a 64 year old with zero college experience.

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7 hours ago, Stuhoo said:

It's why one would be hard pressed to find an NBA coach that wants to coach college instead.

It just simply is not as good a job for quality of life, in many, many ways.

Brad Stevens left millions upon millions on the table to not do it and leveraged it into getting out of coaching altogether with a nice pay raise.

[IUFAN1976 4,139]

3 hours ago, Golfman25 said:

Dane Fife. 

 

Look out for incoming.  :)  

Imagine my facepalm emoji, lol

[IUFAN1976 4,139]

2 hours ago, Hornsby said:

If it had to be an iu guy it should have been alford. You don't hire a 64 year old with zero college experience.

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I agree with this only because he does have college experience. I am condoning that we should have hired him, I would have preferred someone else but since they seemed dead set on hiring an IU guy, the only choice should have been Alford.