IUBB vs Army - Sunday, 11.12.23 @ 7:00 on BTN

[Stuhoo 89,736]

From Calbert Cheaney:

• On Indiana’s win over Army on Sunday: “Still got a long way to go. There’s a lot of new faces… last night Army came in with a mindset that ‘we’re gonna come at you guys’…The guys underestimated them.”

• Cheaney said he thinks the team has responded after the tough week but mentioned a potential disconnect between understanding the film in practice and in the film room to translating it to the game.

• Cheaney implored for the need to contest shots from beyond the arc. He said that there’s a notable dropoff in shooting percentage when shots are contested. He mentioned Indiana’s defensive mantra, that whenever someone catches the ball, they need to have a hand on him.

• On Indiana’s 3-point shooting, Cheaney thinks Indiana has the shooters to be dangerous. “We have some guys that can really shoot the ball, I think more so than last year.”

• On five-star freshman Mackenzie Mgbako: “(He needs to) continue to understand how the game is played… college game is totally different from high school. Pay attention to the details of what coach (Woodson) wants him to do, he’ll be fine.”

• Cheaney said this year’s team is more talented than last year’s IU team. “We’re bigger, we’re more athletic, we’re longer… Stay with us, we’re working on it.”

• Cheaney on freshman point guard Gabe Cupps: “We call him Iron Man … He’s got one of the best work ethics I’ve ever seen … He’s not the biggest kid, he’s not the fastest kid, but he makes up for it with a huge heart and determination. And that’s rare.”

[HoosierHoopster 8,382]

53 minutes ago, Ngw7183 said:

Appreciate it and understand 

I would also hope you understand when I give my opinion, which is all it is, and I am told I am crazy, projecting, etc. does spark some need to defend myself.  That isn’t trying to beat someone into agreeing, I know they won’t and doesn’t matter. Simply further expressing why I feel the way I do. 

Doesn’t matter at all who is right. We don’t have any say so. I am simply stating my opinion and feel it is directionally valid when we see fans say the things they do and place guys on pedestals while trashing on other players.  We can say we don’t care what rando fans say but I care. I care about human side of this. 
 

All that being said, we will see in a few months. If MM is not playing the 4 and CJ is not progressed to where he can give 15/20 really good minutes, we will be lucky to make the tournament. That is my opinion. Always interesting to see how it plays out. 

Except for me though. I am always right.

:)

[Golfman25 6,809]

20 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

From Calbert Cheaney:

• On Indiana’s win over Army on Sunday: “Still got a long way to go. There’s a lot of new faces… last night Army came in with a mindset that ‘we’re gonna come at you guys’…The guys underestimated them.”

• Cheaney said he thinks the team has responded after the tough week but mentioned a potential disconnect between understanding the film in practice and in the film room to translating it to the game.

• Cheaney implored for the need to contest shots from beyond the arc. He said that there’s a notable dropoff in shooting percentage when shots are contested. He mentioned Indiana’s defensive mantra, that whenever someone catches the ball, they need to have a hand on him.

• On Indiana’s 3-point shooting, Cheaney thinks Indiana has the shooters to be dangerous. “We have some guys that can really shoot the ball, I think more so than last year.”

• On five-star freshman Mackenzie Mgbako: “(He needs to) continue to understand how the game is played… college game is totally different from high school. Pay attention to the details of what coach (Woodson) wants him to do, he’ll be fine.”

• Cheaney said this year’s team is more talented than last year’s IU team. “We’re bigger, we’re more athletic, we’re longer… Stay with us, we’re working on it.”

• Cheaney on freshman point guard Gabe Cupps: “We call him Iron Man … He’s got one of the best work ethics I’ve ever seen … He’s not the biggest kid, he’s not the fastest kid, but he makes up for it with a huge heart and determination. And that’s rare.”

Dude is dead on.  Hope they can work on the film study stuff -- there is an art to it and does take some time to click for some guys, especially if they didn't do much of it in HS.  

[Stuhoo 89,736]

2 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

Dude is dead on.  Hope they can work on the film study stuff -- there is an art to it and does take some time to click for some guys, especially if they didn't do much of it in HS.  

Imagine that! The B1G all-time leading scorer and NBA assistant coach who is on staff and sees the players every day ... is on point!

Ima gonna go with what Calbert is thinking on this team for the time being.   :)

[go iu bb 9,723]

28 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

From Calbert Cheaney:

• On Indiana’s win over Army on Sunday: “Still got a long way to go. There’s a lot of new faces… last night Army came in with a mindset that ‘we’re gonna come at you guys’…The guys underestimated them.”

• Cheaney said he thinks the team has responded after the tough week but mentioned a potential disconnect between understanding the film in practice and in the film room to translating it to the game.

• Cheaney implored for the need to contest shots from beyond the arc. He said that there’s a notable dropoff in shooting percentage when shots are contested. He mentioned Indiana’s defensive mantra, that whenever someone catches the ball, they need to have a hand on him.

• On Indiana’s 3-point shooting, Cheaney thinks Indiana has the shooters to be dangerous. “We have some guys that can really shoot the ball, I think more so than last year.”

• On five-star freshman Mackenzie Mgbako: “(He needs to) continue to understand how the game is played… college game is totally different from high school. Pay attention to the details of what coach (Woodson) wants him to do, he’ll be fine.”

• Cheaney said this year’s team is more talented than last year’s IU team. “We’re bigger, we’re more athletic, we’re longer… Stay with us, we’re working on it.”

• Cheaney on freshman point guard Gabe Cupps: “We call him Iron Man … He’s got one of the best work ethics I’ve ever seen … He’s not the biggest kid, he’s not the fastest kid, but he makes up for it with a huge heart and determination. And that’s rare.”

psssh, what does Calbert Cheaney know? He only has the most points scored in B1G history while playing under one of the best coaches ever, spent a over a decade playing in the NBA, has been an assistance coach at both the NBA and NCAA levels, and is currently part of the staff that sees the players practice every day. So why should we listen to what he says? As an anonymous poster on the internet who never even played on my HS team, I think we should ignore what he says and instead freak out after 2 games.

[WayneFleekHoosier 51,500]

I feel like they are overthinking things in many circumstances.  I would just love to see a 3 point shot in transition from someone.  That will tell me they are loose.  We need to get out in transition a lot.  We will excel in that format because both our big guys can run.  

 

Well, while we are at it, scrap the defensive principle and the hockey subs please. 

[Stuhoo 89,736]

1 minute ago, go iu bb said:

psssh, what does Calbert Cheaney know? He only has the most points scored in B1G history while playing under one of the best coaches ever, spent a over a decade playing in the NBA, has been an assistance coach at both the NBA and NCAA levels, and is currently part of the staff that sees the players practice every day. So why should we listen to what he says? As an anonymous poster on the internet who never even played on my HS team, I think we should freak out after 2 games.

[WayneFleekHoosier 51,500]

Just now, WayneFleekHoosier said:

I feel like they are overthinking things in many circumstances.  I would just love to see a 3 point shot in transition from someone.  That will tell me they are loose.  We need to get out in transition a lot.  We will excel in that format because both our big guys can run.  

 

Well, while we are at it, scrap the defensive principle and the hockey subs please. 

I know people dismiss it, but playing for a rabid fanbase in front of 17,000 isn't for everyone.  Some of these guys are shellshocked.  We need to find the type of kid that relishes that environment.  

[IUCrazy2 2,978]

6 hours ago, Stuhoo said:

I'm not the only one, but I am among those who posted that this team was likely to take lumps in November, December, and maybe even January. And also that this team has a very high ceiling.

When I posted that prior to our first two games, I got a lot of 'likes' and no one pushed back.

Now that it is happening, the sky is not falling; it's exactly as expected.

• Stack some cupcake wins, even if they are close calls, while we are figuring it out.
• Stay healthy, especially with our guards; we're gonna need them all.
• Trust that a staff that includes a sh!t-ton of NBA and college experience has the collective tools to keep this group learning and motivated toward reaching something approaching their potential.
• Trust/hope that the staff can recognize and make adjustments to fit the personnel and to fit the way teams have been creating great three point looks against us.
• Trust that we have assembled a roster of really good kids that won't get resentful or play sad when they hit adversity.

And hopefully enjoy the results of a talented group that eventually has their collective light turn on.

Here is the thing though, you cannot take too many lumps early because you have a bar you have to be able to pass to make the late season "good team" have anything to play for....and NIT isn't something any of us care about right now.  With the roster turnover like it is, you aren't developing squat in the NIT.  Tournament or bust.

[IUCrazy2 2,978]

1 hour ago, Ngw7183 said:

So we need a kid to state publicly that if you are X or MM you get called thugs, not a leader, not a “smart player” and more that I won’t repeat here until we as fans realize it is a problem and needs to stop. The excuse that all fanbases do it such a passive approach.  Shouldn’t matter if it affects recruiting or not. 

you stated clearly you don’t go on Twitter. (Happens on here as well) Well, all these kids do and the comments are terrible. All while acting like the white kid never does wrong and not acknowledging he is limited.  Would just be nice to hear our “knowledgeable fanbase”  realize what the modern game takes to be successful. We need X, we need CJ, we need MM level athletes. Cupps is fine and will be a very solid 4 year guy. Measurable traits are what they are. (Speed, burst, etc) 

I will let it go as I know some are tired of hearing it. As a follow fan, do your best to squash those bias statements when you hear them. Read between the lines of what people say. All I ask. 

You are doing to Cupps what you accuse others of doing to X and MM....

[Stuhoo 89,736]

3 minutes ago, IUCrazy2 said:

Here is the thing though, you cannot take too many lumps early because you have a bar you have to be able to pass to make the late season "good team" have anything to play for....and NIT isn't something any of us care about right now.  With the roster turnover like it is, you aren't developing squat in the NIT.  Tournament or bust.

We are 2-0 and really likely to be 4-1 a week from now (that would include a win over Wright State, a loss to UConn, and a win over Louisville). 

That's why we can afford to take some lumps early, lose to UConn, Auburn, and Kansas, and still have a nice resume come March as long as we get our **** together and go over .500 in the B1G. And there's no guarantee that we'll lose all three marquee non-con games. 

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich 9,310]

2 hours ago, rcs29 said:

This is fair. It's also fair to acknowledge a player, especially with a personality type like Gabe, can progress into something nobody thought possible. Cupps has something in him competitively (not athletically) I haven't seen since Yogi. I'm not betting against Cupps for anything.

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I doubt anyone figured Aaron Craft to become an All-Big Ten type player and one of the best perimeter defenders the conference has seen this century.

[IUCrazy2 2,978]

5 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

We are 2-0 and really likely to be 4-1 a week from now (that would include a win over Wright State, a loss to UConn, and a win over Louisville). 

That's why we can afford to take some lumps early, lose to UConn, Auburn, and Kansas, and still have a nice resume come March as long as we get our **** together and go over .500 in the B1G. And there's no guarantee that we'll lose all three marquee non-con games. 

That is possible, but we need to see massive improvement over the next 3 or so games.  Massive.  Neither of the two teams we beat are any good at all.  The score in each of those equates to a loss in my mind even if it doesn't show up on the stat sheet.  If you go and look t Crean's first two years, his team's didn't even struggle as bad against the worst of the bottom feeders in D1.

I think we have players and we can get it turned around, but that turn around has to happen by end of December, not January or later.  We have a tough schedule basically from Connecticut through the Big Ten.  There won't be many more gimmes coming up to get right and I don't know if this team has the mental toughness to get shellacked in Nov/Dec and not go down the tubes. 

[Dave from Dayton 4,042]

I'm not terribly worried about the IU team.  If they don't play good defense, Coach Woody will sit them.  If they don't hustle, Coach will sit them.  If they don't play the play, then samo.

I am concerned, but worrying never got anybody anything.

I think that there will be some motivational factors applied this week and next.

I'm watching Wright State tonight at 7 playing Toledo on ESPN+.  Then I likely will change my prediction for the first time evah.  

You know what I want to see?  Ware stopping  POTFB's Edey down the road.  

I'd much rather have hope than worry.

I much prefer emulating Don Quixote than Eeyore. 

[Golfman25 6,809]

38 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

We are 2-0 and really likely to be 4-1 a week from now (that would include a win over Wright State, a loss to UConn, and a win over Louisville). 

That's why we can afford to take some lumps early, lose to UConn, Auburn, and Kansas, and still have a nice resume come March as long as we get our **** together and go over .500 in the B1G. And there's no guarantee that we'll lose all three marquee non-con games. 

We are going to beat one of those teams.  Book it, dano.  :) 

[Stuhoo 89,736]

36 minutes ago, IUCrazy2 said:

Neither of the two teams we beat are any good at all.  The score in each of those equates to a loss in my mind even if it doesn't show up on the stat sheet.  If you go and look t Crean's first two years, his team's didn't even struggle as bad against the worst of the bottom feeders in D1.

1) FGCU is 139 in KenPom. They are a solid basketball team. Army basketball is very bad. 

2) In Crean's first two years we beat Chaminade by 2, beat IUPUI by 2, had a late run to beat South Carolina Upstate by 7, AND...

• lost to Northeastern by 13,
• lost to Lipscomb by 5,
• lost to Boston U by 4,
• lost to George Mason by 3,
• and lost to Loyola of Maryland by 5.

None of those teams were as good as FGCU is supposed to be this year.

[str8baller 7,592]

30 minutes ago, IUCrazy2 said:

That is possible, but we need to see massive improvement over the next 3 or so games.  Massive.  Neither of the two teams we beat are any good at all.  The score in each of those equates to a loss in my mind even if it doesn't show up on the stat sheet.  If you go and look t Crean's first two years, his team's didn't even struggle as bad against the worst of the bottom feeders in D1.

I think we have players and we can get it turned around, but that turn around has to happen by end of December, not January or later.  We have a tough schedule basically from Connecticut through the Big Ten.  There won't be many more gimmes coming up to get right and I don't know if this team has the mental toughness to get shellacked in Nov/Dec and not go down the tubes. 

If I were looking for a positive, I’d say 1) FGCU likely isn’t that bad and lots of teams have struggled early. 
 

2) Woody is giving guys reps. It’s a slog. But the last 8-10min when he plays his core 5-6 guys (and yes that’s been Cupps so far) we’ve pulled away pretty easily. 

[coonhounds 10,558]

From Calbert Cheaney:

• On Indiana’s win over Army on Sunday: “Still got a long way to go. There’s a lot of new faces… last night Army came in with a mindset that ‘we’re gonna come at you guys’…The guys underestimated them.”

• Cheaney said he thinks the team has responded after the tough week but mentioned a potential disconnect between understanding the film in practice and in the film room to translating it to the game.

• Cheaney implored for the need to contest shots from beyond the arc. He said that there’s a notable dropoff in shooting percentage when shots are contested. He mentioned Indiana’s defensive mantra, that whenever someone catches the ball, they need to have a hand on him.

• On Indiana’s 3-point shooting, Cheaney thinks Indiana has the shooters to be dangerous. “We have some guys that can really shoot the ball, I think more so than last year.”

• On five-star freshman Mackenzie Mgbako: “(He needs to) continue to understand how the game is played… college game is totally different from high school. Pay attention to the details of what coach (Woodson) wants him to do, he’ll be fine.”

• Cheaney said this year’s team is more talented than last year’s IU team. “We’re bigger, we’re more athletic, we’re longer… Stay with us, we’re working on it.”

• Cheaney on freshman point guard Gabe Cupps: “We call him Iron Man … He’s got one of the best work ethics I’ve ever seen … He’s not the biggest kid, he’s not the fastest kid, but he makes up for it with a huge heart and determination. And that’s rare.”

Thanks for this. I was trying to listen last night but had to go get my kid in the bath and missed this. It gives me Hope they can and will fix this

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[TheWatShot 15,521]

18 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

1) FGCU is 139 in KenPom. They are a solid basketball team. Army basketball is very bad. 

2) In Crean's first two years we beat Chaminade by 2, beat IUPUI by 2, had a late run to beat South Carolina Upstate by 7, AND...

• lost to Northeastern by 13,
• lost to Lipscomb by 5,
• lost to Boston U by 4,
• lost to George Mason by 3,
• and lost to Loyola of Maryland by 5.

None of those teams were as good as FGCU is supposed to be this year.

The Loyola game, I think we got down 15-0 to start the game and didn't score for more than six minutes. That was also before Maurice Creek was injured. 

[go iu bb 9,723]

22 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

1) FGCU is 139 in KenPom. They are a solid basketball team. Army basketball is very bad. 

2) In Crean's first two years we beat Chaminade by 2, beat IUPUI by 2, had a late run to beat South Carolina Upstate by 7, AND...

• lost to Northeastern by 13,
• lost to Lipscomb by 5,
• lost to Boston U by 4,
• lost to George Mason by 3,
• and lost to Loyola of Maryland by 5.

None of those teams were as good as FGCU is supposed to be this year.

1) I agree. They're not that bad but it's also a bit early to go by KenPom.

2) Why are you comparing this team to Crean's first two years? Both of those teams were terrible so them losing to bad teams wasn't surprising. To me it seems like it would be to point out when teams that were actually good struggled or lost against bad teams early in the year.