Trent Sisley is an Outstanding Hoosier and (2025) SG - to UConn Thread

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9 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

But I digress, Woodson doesn't have an issue getting top high school talent to Bloomington. 

Right. His issue is with getting the top HS recruits he prioritizes and wants most.

No issue accepting a commitment from top talent that becomes available late in the cycle and needs to make a quick decision. Hardly attribute his spring 5 star trend as recruiting “wins” for Woody as much as they’re convenient relationships based on circumstances having little to do with Woody personally. When they have time to reflect on their available opportunities, they rarely pick IU and this staff. Long term recruitments don’t matter as much anymore, sure… why waste resources then… sure it’s all part of their master plan. 

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2 minutes ago, Home Jersey said:

Right. His issue is with getting the top HS recruits he prioritizes and wants most.

No issue accepting a commitment from top talent that becomes available late in the cycle and needs to make a quick decision. Hardly attribute his spring 5 star trend as recruiting “wins” for Woody as much as they’re convenient relationships based on circumstances having little to do with Woody personally. When they have time to reflect on their available opportunities, they rarely pick IU and this staff. Long term recruitments don’t matter as much anymore, sure… why waste resources then… sure it’s all part of their master plan. 

I missed the rule where a late spring de-commit is forced to attend IU.

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3 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

I missed the rule where a late spring de-commit is forced to attend IU.

Just not impressed by it. Rushed decisions. On paper IU looks fine. Give them time to get to know the staff and they decide there are better options. Results ain't there on the court. 

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21 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Sorry, **3 consecutive seasons, Tamar Bates fell just outside the 5* range.

But I digress, Woodson doesn't have an issue getting top high school talent to Bloomington. 

Sisley isn't a 5 star. So only two classes out of four right now. 

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7 minutes ago, TheWatShot said:

Sisley isn't a 5 star. So only two classes out of four right now. 

Is this cycle over?

JHS, Mgbako, Tucker. That's three consecutive cycles of landing a 5*. Two straight B10 FOY of the year. Yeah, Woodson is horrible at landing high school talent. 

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1 hour ago, 8bucks said:

So, have you heard how those people who gave money and wanted Mullins might be interpreting their ROI?  Woody did land a strong portal team and maybe they overlook the HS misses but if we had the better financial package for a local kid and lost out it does say we might not be an attractive enough school for top HS talent. 

And to add salt to this wound, he is an in-state 5* recruit.  Recruiting them hard should be one of the easiest things to do because there isn’t much travel time involved.  But MW done his job!!!

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27 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Sorry, **3 consecutive seasons, Tamar Bates fell just outside the 5* range.

But I digress, Woodson doesn't have an issue getting top high school talent to Bloomington. 

I mean, saying “Woodson doesn’t have an issue getting too high school talent to Bloomington” is literally not true. Duke just brought in five 5 star players in the class of 2024, for example. Woodson isn’t doing numbers like that. He’s bringing in 1 per year. Every IU coach, even Archie Miller, could land 5 star players, and they didn’t have millions of dollars to throw at high schoolers. Woodson high school recruiting record is pathetic when you consider his plethora of resources. 

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1 minute ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

I mean, saying “Woodson doesn’t have an issue getting top high school talent to Bloomington” is literally not true. Duke just brought in five 5 star players in the class of 2024, for example. Woodson isn’t doing numbers like that. He’s bringing in 1 per year. Every IU coach, even Archie Miller, could land 5 star players, and they didn’t have millions of dollars to throw at high schoolers. Woodson high school recruiting record is pathetic when you consider his plethora of resources. 

"Woodson isn't good at landing high school talent"

Two consecutive B10 FPOY begs to differ. And we aren't Duke and haven't been in 30 years. If the barometer for success in high school recruiting is bringing in five 5* recruits a class then every other coach in America is bad at landing top high school talent.

You're a walking bad take and this somehow trumps them all. 

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1 minute ago, AH1971 said:

"Woodson isn't good at landing high school talent"

Two consecutive B10 FPOY begs to differ. And we aren't Duke and haven't been in 30 years. If the barometer for success in high school recruiting is bringing in five 5* recruits a class then every other coach in America is bad at landing top high school talent.

You're a walking bad take and this somehow trumps them all. 

I think it's interesting you post mostly contrarian views on the back of bad news. 

Starting to wonder if this is some sort of fetish for you or if you're just a glutton for confrontation lol. 

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7 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

"Woodson isn't good at landing high school talent"

Two consecutive B10 FPOY begs to differ. And we aren't Duke and haven't been in 30 years. If the barometer for success in high school recruiting is bringing in five 5* recruits a class then every other coach in America is bad at landing top high school talent.

You're a walking bad take and this somehow trumps them all. 

Yes, I’m the walking bad take, not the guy whose sole purpose since creating an account has been to defend every single action (or inaction) taken by Mike Woodson  

You argue out of both sides of your mouth. On one side, long drawn out recruitments are a thing of the past. On the other side, Woodson put a ton of effort over the past year+ in recruiting Mullins.

The proof is in the pudding. Mike Woodson is not good at recruiting high school players. He’s absolutely abysmal at recruiting high school players who aren’t making rushed spring decisions. I’m pretty sure he’s only landed 4 commitments since November 2021. 4 in basically 3 years. Not exactly hitting it out of the park. 

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2 minutes ago, Home Jersey said:

I think it's interesting you post mostly contrarian views on the back of bad news. 

Starting to wonder if this is some sort of fetish for you or if you're just a glutton for confrontation lol. 

Glutton for confrontation? No, just clearing up a garbage take. 

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2 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Yes, I’m the walking bad take, not the guy whose sole purpose since creating an account has been to defend every single action (or inaction) taken by Mike Woodson

Glad we agree

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Remember the circumstances with each of the names being mentioned. 

Bates was a decommit after a coaching change and Hunter slid in late in the process. 

JHS resembled a traditional recruitment. 

Reneau was a decommit after a coaching change and the JHS connection helped but again a quick recruitment.

Mgbako we never had any involvement with, his mom contacted us after he de-committed from Duke. 

Tucker we were involved with but others were as well and when GLE was disbanded his dad called Woody. Quick recruitment 

Then the wham bam transactional portal recruitments Woody does well. 

The player that looks most likely to fit this would be Mikel Brown, if Rice looks like he's going into the draft after this year. 

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1 minute ago, AH1971 said:

Glutton for confrontation? No, just clearing up a garbage take. 

Amazing! You must be able to see the future since this team hasn't played a single game this year.

Will we beat Southern Illinois University Edwardsville by more than we did Florida Gulf Coast last year (6 points)? 

What should we expect? B10 title and FF run - minimally - right? 

Thank you for your service clarifying what the standards are for IU under Mike Woodson. 

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5 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Glad we agree

He’s a take I’m sure you’ll like. An uber talented 5 star kid from Indiana who wanted to play for IU chose not to come here specifically because he didn’t want to play for Mike Woodson. A few weeks ago another 5 star kid from Indiana chose not to play for Mike Woodson. 

But hey, AH says Mike Woodson is killing it with high school recruits, so I must just be making this up. 

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I think in the age of NIL. and pay to play, this analogy is applicable.

If I’m a stockholder of a company, I don’t care where the profits come from, as long as they’re legitimate and legally obtained. Doesn’t matter if they come from the standard, tried and true product, or the new development. It all goes to the same bottom line.

Similarly, who cares how guys end up wearing the Candy Stripes? As long as they are here under the rules as they currently exist, what matters? If the product is a great one, if this team performs to the level we expect them to, I can’t imagine anyone on here who doesn’t have an agenda is going to care how a player became a contributor to the success of the team.

The question becomes, is Woodson’s method of building a team sustainable? Yet to be seen, but some here want to blow off this year’s roster as a one off. Until proven otherwise, what proof is there that he can’t continue to build high quality teams his way?

As the old saying goes, there’s more than one way to skin a cat. NIL and the portal are fairly new concepts. Traditional methods of building a team are a thing of the past. Recruiting high schoolers and expecting them to stay at beloved IU for 4-5 years is a fairy tale. Yes we need a mix, and Woodson’s teams have had one. I can’t wait to see what these guys do as a team. Will be much more interested in the product on the floor in March than the one who starts play in a few weeks. But I am going to hold judgment and not crucify a guy until the process plays out.

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14 minutes ago, BA47591 said:

Remember the circumstances with each of the names being mentioned. 

Bates was a decommit after a coaching change and Hunter slid in late in the process. 

JHS resembled a traditional recruitment. 

Reneau was a decommit after a coaching change and the JHS connection helped but again a quick recruitment.

Mgbako we never had any involvement with, his mom contacted us after he de-committed from Duke. 

Tucker we were involved with but others were as well and when GLE was disbanded his dad called Woody. Quick recruitment 

Then the wham bam transactional portal recruitments Woody does well. 

The player that looks most likely to fit this would be Mikel Brown, if Rice looks like he's going into the draft after this year. 

Yes, all accurate. 

Do have to give credit for the JHS recruitment/commitment. That was solid. 
Outside of JHS, what has Woodson actually done/accomplished in HS recruiting?

I think he’s lazy. He has been showing up better to see recruits this recruiting season, a positive, but the results aren’t great

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23 minutes ago, BA47591 said:

Remember the circumstances with each of the names being mentioned. 

Bates was a decommit after a coaching change and Hunter slid in late in the process. 

JHS resembled a traditional recruitment. 

Reneau was a decommit after a coaching change and the JHS connection helped but again a quick recruitment.

Mgbako we never had any involvement with, his mom contacted us after he de-committed from Duke. 

Tucker we were involved with but others were as well and when GLE was disbanded his dad called Woody. Quick recruitment 

Then the wham bam transactional portal recruitments Woody does well. 

The player that looks most likely to fit this would be Mikel Brown, if Rice looks like he's going into the draft after this year. 

 

5 minutes ago, HoosierHoopster said:

Yes, all accurate. 

Do have to give credit for the JHS recruitment/commitment. That was solid. 
Outside of JHS, what has Woodson actually done/accomplished in HS recruiting?

I think he’s lazy. He has been showing up better to see recruits this recruiting season, a positive, but the results aren’t great

Actually JHS decommitted from Pitt (granted early) so it wasn't 100% a traditional recruitment. He committed 3 months after we offered, so it was still a relatively short recruitment. It did at least include a fall committment instead of the late spring for Reneau, Mgbako, and Tucker.

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15 minutes ago, steubenhoosier said:

I think in the age of NIL. and pay to play, this analogy is applicable.

If I’m a stockholder of a company, I don’t care where the profits come from, as long as they’re legitimate and legally obtained. Doesn’t matter if they come from the standard, tried and true product, or the new development. It all goes to the same bottom line.

 Similarly, who cares how guys end up wearing the Candy Stripes? As long as they are here under the rules as they currently exist, what matters? If the product is a great one, if this team performs to the level we expect them to, I can’t imagine anyone on here who doesn’t have an agenda is going to care how a player became a contributor to the success of the team.

The question becomes, is Woodson’s method of building a team sustainable? Yet to be seen, but some here want to blow off this year’s roster as a one off. Until proven otherwise, what proof is there that he can’t continue to build high quality teams his way?

As the old saying goes, there’s more than one way to skin a cat. NIL and the portal are fairly new concepts. Traditional methods of building a team are a thing of the past. Recruiting high schoolers and expecting them to stay at beloved IU for 4-5 years is a fairy tale. Yes we need a mix, and Woodson’s teams have had one. I can’t wait to see what these guys do as a team. Will be much more interested in the product on the floor in March than the one who starts play in a few weeks. But I am going to hold judgment and not crucify a guy until the process plays out.

Nobody has blown off this year's roster, they've said it's very talented constantly.

"As a one off" ... do you agree this is Woody's most talented team yet? Regardless of how they came to IU - who cares (to your point) - I think everyone can agree it is. They're in Bloomington, so credit for that... how much credit is in the eye of the beholder. Until proven otherwise - the burden of proof is on the coach to show his plan works. We have missed on most of the recruits we prioritized in the fall, so whether the portal was the strategy again or not, we have to rely on it. 

This is not mutually exclusive with being dissatisfied with Woody or minimizing his personal impact.

Good for you. He's burned through a lot of good will with people, whether warranted or not. That's the state of things. People are going to be less forgiving coming off the season we had and the way it ended.

Just win

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24 minutes ago, steubenhoosier said:

I think in the age of NIL. and pay to play, this analogy is applicable.

If I’m a stockholder of a company, I don’t care where the profits come from, as long as they’re legitimate and legally obtained. Doesn’t matter if they come from the standard, tried and true product, or the new development. It all goes to the same bottom line.

Similarly, who cares how guys end up wearing the Candy Stripes? As long as they are here under the rules as they currently exist, what matters? If the product is a great one, if this team performs to the level we expect them to, I can’t imagine anyone on here who doesn’t have an agenda is going to care how a player became a contributor to the success of the team.

The question becomes, is Woodson’s method of building a team sustainable? Yet to be seen, but some here want to blow off this year’s roster as a one off. Until proven otherwise, what proof is there that he can’t continue to build high quality teams his way?

As the old saying goes, there’s more than one way to skin a cat. NIL and the portal are fairly new concepts. Traditional methods of building a team are a thing of the past. Recruiting high schoolers and expecting them to stay at beloved IU for 4-5 years is a fairy tale. Yes we need a mix, and Woodson’s teams have had one. I can’t wait to see what these guys do as a team. Will be much more interested in the product on the floor in March than the one who starts play in a few weeks. But I am going to hold judgment and not crucify a guy until the process plays out.

I’m not a stockholder of IU, I’m an alum. I root for the team because it’s where I went to school and it’s the school I feel a connection toward. If we become a school that just swaps in a team full of new mercenaries each year, what connection do they really have to the school? At that point you’re the Bloomington minor league basketball team, not the Indiana University Hoosiers.

I can’t stand Purdue, but it must be nice as hell to be a fan of that school’s basketball team.  You get to have a great coach, you get to win a ton, and you get to do it with a roster full of Indiana kids who come for the school, not the paycheck. We get none of those things.