2023-24 IUBB ROSTER

[realTomCrean 2,742]

Last year is last year. Let’s move onto this year: X. Johnson (NATL CHAMP)

[IUFAN1976 4,320]

18 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

Who would have shot the FTs when XJ got a tech? Would XJ have been guarding Pack and/or Wong and/or any of their other guards when they were wide open from deep behind the line? Would XJ have been able to grab all of the rebounds that led to 5,529 second chance points for Miami?

Yes, XJ would have helped in this game. We might have been able to keep it within single digits has XJ had an above average game. It amazes me players before eleventy times themselves when not available. We would have kept the game closer if Geronimo and/or Bates played half as well as many projected them over last off-season. Miami was the far better team in that game. Our "advantage" in that game failed to rebound after playing pretty solid first shot defense.

Let's actually get better this off-season and do better in the regular and post seasons next year.

I didn’t say we would win, I just think he could have frustrated Pack, the others we don’t know exactly how it would have played out.  I say we still struggle in all those categories but losing XJ definitely changed the dynamic of this team.  Putting pressure on the ball changes the dynamic of this team and the way we played defensively.  We lacked that after XJ went down.  

[Hoosierfan1901 8,253]

4 minutes ago, realTomCrean said:

Last year is last year. Let’s move onto this year: X. Johnson (NATL CHAMP)

Tom Crean: The Return

[HoosierAloha 30,102]

2 hours ago, IUFAN1976 said:

I didn’t say we would win, I just think he could have frustrated Pack, the others we don’t know exactly how it would have played out.  I say we still struggle in all those categories but losing XJ definitely changed the dynamic of this team.  Putting pressure on the ball changes the dynamic of this team and the way we played defensively.  We lacked that after XJ went down.  

It's possible he frustrates Pack. It's possible XJ picks up a quick second foul and sits for the majority of the first half because someone started showing him up. It's possible XJ gets a tech while running his mouth too. XJ would have been our best on ball defender but he wasn't immune to getting beat by his defender. When he was healthy we saw teams take advantage of our weak side defender shading more towards the lane and some of our slower defenders. Miami had a team fulls of guards/small wings with XJ speed and quickness that were hitting outside shots. Our defense most likely still gets caught in rotation with Kopp, Bates, Gallo, JHS, etc not being quick enough to close out to the shooter. There is evidence to that before XJ went down and I believe a few mentioned it early in the season.

[Stuhoo 88,755]

UPDATED

Guards (pending Xavier's likely waiver)

1. X Johnson
2. A Leal
3. T Galloway
4. G Cupps

Wings

1. K Banks
2. CJ Gunn
3. J Newton

Posts/Bigs

1. M Reneau
2. Kel’el Ware
3. P. Sparks

[realTomCrean 2,742]

3 spots still open, but the 10 currently on roster can compete with anyone on any given night

[Hardwood83 4,999]

1 hour ago, Stuhoo said:

UPDATED

Guards (pending Xavier's likely waiver)

1. X Johnson
2. A Leal
3. T Galloway
4. G Cupps

Wings

1. K Banks
2. CJ Gunn
3. J Newton

Posts/Bigs

1. M Reneau
2. Kel’el Ware
3. P. Sparks

Would you slot Ledlum in as a wing? How about Knecht?

Are any other visits scheduled other than DeLoach this weekend?

 

[WayneFleekHoosier 51,164]

3 minutes ago, Hardwood83 said:

Would you slot Ledlum in as a wing? How about Knecht?

Are any other visits scheduled other than DeLoach this weekend?

 

Knecht they see as a 2 or 3.  Ledlum 3,4 but primarily a 3.  
 

Gunn 2,3.  Banks 3,4

if we are lucky enough to get Knecht/Ledlum, I’d think we would look for someone that can play PG in a pinch.  

[IUFAN1976 4,320]

1 hour ago, Hardwood83 said:

Would you slot Ledlum in as a wing? How about Knecht?

Are any other visits scheduled other than DeLoach this weekend?

 

We don’t need DeLoach now.

[lillurk 5,002]

12 minutes ago, IUFAN1976 said:

We don’t need DeLoach now.

All along I felt he was a good player and on this roster, just not a great fit. He fits a bit better next to a floor-spacing 5 like Ware than he would next to Shedrick. I’m with @WayneFleekHoosier on this, if they add Ledlum and Knecht then PG insurance would be my last wish

[Home Jersey 15,466]

2 hours ago, realTomCrean said:

3 spots still open, but the 10 currently on roster can compete with anyone on any given night

I wouldn't go that far just yet, but I do think when its all said and done, we will have that kind of roster. The backcourt is still pretty thin and wings still unproven. We will be in great shape if Banks and/or Gunn take a big leap forward.  

Add Ledlum and I'd say yes we can compete with anyone on any given night. Add Knecht or a similar quality guard/wing, and I'd say we could be consistently competitive. If we have mental toughness too, could be pretty scary for our opponents!

[IUFAN1976 4,320]

8 minutes ago, lillurk said:

All along I felt he was a good player and on this roster, just not a great fit. He fits a bit better next to a floor-spacing 5 like Ware than he would next to Shedrick. I’m with @WayneFleekHoosier on this, if they add Ledlum and Knecht then PG insurance would be my last wish

I like it, I forgot we do need insurance at point guard

[Hardwood83 4,999]

12 hours ago, IUFAN1976 said:

We don’t need DeLoach now.

We'll see, but I'm not sure the coaching staff agrees. 

[Certified Sunshine Pumper 11,432]

12 minutes ago, Hardwood83 said:

We'll see, but I'm not sure the coaching staff agrees. 

why?

[Stuhoo 88,755]

13 minutes ago, btownqb said:

why?

Because he's a long, super-high motor, positive locker room presence, talented, proven effective big. If he wants to join the IU basketball team? That's kinda hard to say no to.

[Certified Sunshine Pumper 11,432]

Just now, Stuhoo said:

Because he's a long, super-high motor, positive locker room presence, talented, proven effective big. If he wants to join the IU basketball team? That's kinda hard to say no to.

I didn't ask what DeLoach did well, though. 

[Stuhoo 88,755]

 

13 hours ago, IUFAN1976 said:

We don’t need DeLoach now.

29 minutes ago, Hardwood83 said:

We'll see, but I'm not sure the coaching staff agrees. 

17 minutes ago, btownqb said:

why?

1 minute ago, btownqb said:

I didn't ask what DeLoach did well, though. 

The "why" the coaching staff doesn't agree that we don't need him is because of what he does well.

I guess you could argue that we "want" him instead of "need" him because of what he does well.

 

 

[Certified Sunshine Pumper 11,432]

2 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

 

The "why" the coaching staff doesn't agree that we don't need him is because of what he does well.

I guess you could argue that we "want" him instead of "need" him because of what he does well.

 

 

I asked why @Hardwood83 thinks the coaching staff doesn't agree. I can see what DeLoach does well. Is there something @Hardwood83 has heard on Peegs/other sources/does he KNOW what he stated here to be true? I was asking if HE knew MORE. 

[WayneFleekHoosier 51,164]

27 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

 

The "why" the coaching staff doesn't agree that we don't need him is because of what he does well.

I guess you could argue that we "want" him instead of "need" him because of what he does well.

 

 

I didn't want him as our primary 4 or 5 (and I guess I stated clearly-lol), but if he wants to join the team as its currently constructed and find minutes I'm up for that for sure.  I would find that a difficult sell for our staff but i guess we will have to see.  

I mean, If I look at things from a not rosey perspective, I could say Reneau is prone to foul trouble (although admittedly doing better), Ware has a motor that has questions, and Sparks is taking a big step up in competition.  All of this is true to an extent and could be the lens that staff is using to continue to recruit DeLoach.  

[WayneFleekHoosier 51,164]

18 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

I didn't want him as our primary 4 or 5 (and I guess I stated clearly-lol), but if he wants to join the team as its currently constructed and find minutes I'm up for that for sure.  I would find that a difficult sell for our staff but i guess we will have to see.  

I mean, If I look at things from a not rosey perspective, I could say Reneau is prone to foul trouble (although admittedly doing better), Ware has a motor that has questions, and Sparks is taking a big step up in competition.  All of this is true to an extent and could be the lens that staff is using to continue to recruit DeLoach.  

My wish list today is:

1. Knecht 

2. Ledlum-i'm trying to sell myself on him a little more but i can see it.

3. A guard that can PG if necessary.  (I have a hard time see significant minutes for this spot if we get 1 and 2)

 

I think Gallo, Banks, Gunn should see good minutes.  See if Gunn or Banks can earn more.  Gallo should likely get 20+ as he can play 1,2,3 and if shooting stays hot he needs to play.