IUBB vs Rutger aka/Ruger - Tuesday, 2/7/23 @ 6:30 on BTN

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30 minutes ago, HoosierHoopster said:

His foul rate has been the issue all season for sure, but he's been improving on it / learning to bang and get position without fouling better. 2 fouls against PU in 20 minutes, including going directly at Frankenstein. 0 fouls in 14 minutes against rugby twit - Rutger players (he should have played more, but the 3 TO's likely were why he didn't). He's not fully there yet but he's improving, and imo what he brings to the table merits more time.

He didn't defend too well at all last night and scouting report wise he was pretty poor, as well. He did play without fouling, but he was never really attacked off the dribble, or in the post. 

He wasn't on the floor the last 5 1/2 mins because he had no one to guard on the defensive end. McConnell was playing their 4 man. 

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2 minutes ago, btownqb said:

He didn't defend too well at all last night and scouting report wise he was pretty poor, as well. He did play without fouling, but he was never really attacked off the dribble, or in the post. 

He wasn't on the floor the last 5 1/2 mins because he had no one to guard on the defensive end. McConnell was playing their 4 man. 

Eye of the beholder :) -- In 26 minutes Race was 1-6 with a whopping 3 rebounds, 2 TO's and 2 fouls. He didn't play well. Our second half was kind of scary. Meanwhile, Malik had 5 points and 5 boards in those 14 minutes -- it was his TOs. Simple fact seems to be staff will roll with experience over talent even when experience underperforms, same issues we had with the Stewart/Kopp starting backcourt last year, no matter what. I've said I don't mean to disparage Race, and I don't, but there's no question he's not 100% and he really isn't playing well.

[rcbowla 7,225]

His foul rate has been the issue all season for sure, but he's been improving on it / learning to bang and get position without fouling better. 2 fouls against PU in 20 minutes, including going directly at Frankenstein. 0 fouls in 14 minutes against rugby twit - Rutger players (he should have played more, but the 3 TO's likely were why he didn't). He's not fully there yet but he's improving, and imo what he brings to the table merits more time.

I was more ok with his TO's last night than Race's. At least when MR turns it over he's trying to be aggressive. Maybe too much at times but it's not throwing to the 12th man on the other team's bench.

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5 minutes ago, hoosierbgh said:

JHS won't get drafted this year?

Maybe he won’t or maybe he will, but this game is a perfect example of why NBA teams will hesitate on him being a sure fire first round pick. 
 

Forget the shooting and focus on the ball handling. Rutgers decided to blitz him on PnR’s and he didn’t handle it well. He couldn’t split it (ideally what nba guys would like to see), he often couldn’t get a pass off and just retreated. Almost none of those Rutger guys are NBA-level defenders.  
 

JHS is great. My friends that aren’t IU fans love how smooth he is scoring. But as chris007 wrote, a hot streak or not in the tourney might be the difference between him going and staying. He could come back another year and improve his stock. Lots of guys who were much better athletes have taken a second year to improve their stock.   
 

JHS could easily come back next year and have a Johnny Davis type year and play himself into a lottery pick like Davis did. 

[AKHoosier 7,111]

I wish they would limit Race to spot duty in oder to give him more time to heal. 

He's clearly not himself, therefore shouldn't be given more than 8 mpg or so.

Reneau is ready.

[rcbowla 7,225]

I think Race does a lot of good things but he also does a lot of bad. Typical player I suppose. Problem is right now it's about a 2:1 bad vs good. He killed momentum several times last night.

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Just now, HoosierHoopster said:

Eye of the beholder :) -- In 26 minutes Race was 1-6 with a whopping 3 rebounds, 2 TO's and 2 fouls. He didn't play well. Our second half was kind of scary. Meanwhile, Malik had 5 points and 5 boards in those 14 minutes -- it was his TOs. Simple fact seems to be staff will roll with experience over talent even when experience underperforms, same issues we had with the Stewart/Kopp starting backcourt last year, no matter what. I've said I don't mean to disparage Race, and I don't, but there's no question he's not 100% and he really isn't playing well.

My comments had nothing to do with Race. But no, it was the defensive end as to why Race plays more mins. 

Kopp? Stewart? Who was starting over them? They started because they were our best options to go with TJD in the starting lineup. Hell.. couple of games TG still vastly outplayed Kopp in mins. 

Malik really struggles defensively. He struggles a lot when asked to guard a 6'7 SR guard in McConnell. That is NOT a good matchup for Malik. And.. maybe even more than he would struggle to guard McConnell, he would really struggle with a couple of others that RU ran out there when there were switches. 

I think twice in the second half Malik sunk and gave up open 3s in transition (RU missed)... in the first half he completely over helped and gave an open 3, when their backup FR big was rolling to the basket as TJD was guarding him. That's really bad defense. Until the staff trusts Malik on the defensive end, he is going to be taken out in those situations and it isn't negligence on Woodson and staffs behalf when they do so. 

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6 minutes ago, rcs29 said:

I was more ok with his TO's last night than Race's. At least when MR turns it over he's trying to be aggressive. Maybe too much at times but it's not throwing to the 12th man on the other team's bench.

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Malik... did the exact same thing lol 

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3 minutes ago, str8baller said:

Maybe he won’t or maybe he will, but this game is a perfect example of why NBA teams will hesitate on him being a sure fire first round pick. 
 

Forget the shooting and focus on the ball handling. Rutgers decided to blitz him on PnR’s and he didn’t handle it well. He couldn’t split it (ideally what nba guys would like to see), he often couldn’t get a pass off and just retreated. Almost none of those Rutger guys are NBA-level defenders.  
 

JHS is great. My friends that aren’t IU fans love how smooth he is scoring. But as chris007 wrote, a hot streak or not in the tourney might be the difference between him going and staying. He could come back another year and improve his stock. Lots of guys who were much better athletes have taken a second year to improve their stock.   
 

JHS could easily come back next year and have a Johnny Davis type year and play himself into a lottery pick like Davis did. 

You really think inconsistency is going to deter the NBA from drafting a kid that has demonstrated his talent and skill on numerous occasions?

The same NBA that drafts kids that barely demonstrate talent and skill in the first place based solely on potential?

JHS may come back and I selfishly hope he does but no amount of inconsistency that he's demonstrated to this point is going to keep him from getting drafted. Those that think otherwise are just fooling themselves. 

[rcbowla 7,225]

Malik... did the exact same thing lol 

Trying to lob it to TJD. Race was trying to reset. Big difference in aggressiveness

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Just now, rcs29 said:

Trying to lob it to TJD. Race was trying to reset. Big difference in aggressiveness

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He threw a lob from half court. It was an atrocious pass and decision by Malik. If we are calling a spade, a spade... they were both dumb. 

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49 minutes ago, HoosierFan1994 said:

Hot Take: I don't think Rutgers will be as successful with their incoming classes. Rutgers wins because of the kind of players they recruit. Do we really see 5 stars playing like this? I don't think so...Rutgers is the new Wisconsin. 

Hotter take: Rutger loses their coach to Notre Dame

[rcbowla 7,225]

He threw a lob from half court. It was an atrocious pass and decision by Malik. If we are calling a spade, a spade... they were both dumb. 

I'm not arguing that it was ill advised but at least he was trying to make a play. He's done it a few times this year but I can live with mistakes if you're trying to be a aggressive. I hate lazy or focus lacking passes that are suppose to be routine.

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2 minutes ago, hoosierbgh said:

You really think inconsistency is going to deter the NBA from drafting a kid that has demonstrated his talent and skill on numerous occasions?

No, and in nowhere in my post did I say that. 
 

Let me make it real simple: he doesn’t have the elite athleticism of a sure-fire first round pick.
 

That’s why he’s not on most boards as a projected first rounder.  You can overcome that with skill, and while he shows great flashes he’ll need to be more robust and consistent with that skill to jump into the top 10-15. 

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1 minute ago, rcs29 said:

I'm not arguing that it was ill advised but at least he was trying to make a play. He's done it a few times this year but I can live with mistakes if you're trying to be a aggressive. I hate lazy or focus lacking passes that are suppose to be routine.

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Race does need to play at a quicker pace, offensively. Certainly. No debating that. 

I thought we were just comparing their alley-oops last night, my apologies. 

[rcbowla 7,225]

Race does need to play at a quicker pace, offensively. Certainly. No debating that. 
I thought we were just comparing their alley-oops last night, my apologies. 

I had forgotten about Race's lob that went awry. Yes they were both badly executed but Malik's was definitely a worse decision.

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Anyone else notice TJD seeming to get frustrated with Race last night? Maybe I was reading things wrong?

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16 minutes ago, rcs29 said:

Anyone else notice TJD seeming to get frustrated with Race last night? Maybe I was reading things wrong?

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I have noticed TJD and others on the court trying to direct Race out of the away when he is clogging the post. That would aggravate the s**t out of me if I was an All American post player that couldn't get into position due to a teammate consistently getting in the way, honestly.

[colonel06 1,921]

On a Hoosier high today. Taking in all the B1G replays and B1G Today Shows.:)

everyhing else but Hoosiers is just a distraction:)

Women v. Iowa tomorrow-we’re on a roll folks!

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2 minutes ago, reconmkd said:

I have noticed TJD and others on the court trying to direct Race out of the away when he is clogging the post. That would aggravate the s**t out of me if I was an All American post player that couldn't get into position due to a teammate consistently getting in the way, honestly.

That’s a coach thing to stop, I hope he does.