They Fired Tom Allen!

[Hoosierfan2017 21,537]

5 minutes ago, btownqb said:

You didn't give me any details about what WB did wrong Saturday. 

I haven’t said anything about WB at all. The best OC in the country would struggle for the offensive firepower, or lack thereof, that we have. My issues are entirely with Tom Allen. We runs the program. He brings in the players. He brings in the coaches. He’s been on a nosedive since the Outback Bowl. Do you think he’s going to turn things around? 

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3rd and 5 in plus territory... we ran straight speed option with no jet fake at all, to the boundary. That's a very questionable call. 

That was the drive we got the FG on. 

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2 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

I haven’t said anything about WB at all. The best OC in the country would struggle for the offensive firepower, or lack thereof, that we have. My issues are entirely with Tom Allen. We runs the program. He brings in the players. He brings in the coaches. He’s been on a nosedive since the Outback Bowl. Do you think he’s going to turn things around? 

I'm not sure.

I think in my lifetime, born in 1990, outside of Hep (and I don't think his model was sustainable), CTA is the coach we've hired with the best chance at success at Indiana. 

If the rest of this season ends up like 2 years ago, I am probably ready to move on. 

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6 minutes ago, btownqb said:

3rd and 5 in plus territory... we ran straight speed option with no jet fake at all, to the boundary. That's a very questionable call. 

That was the drive we got the FG on. 

Man, you're cracking me up! Keep it coming. 

I didn't mind that we went for it on 4th. I actually preferred it. Especially if they convert it and we get more points going into the half. I also felt good about keeping them at bay if we didn't convert it because our D was doing yeoman's work. Now, I did lose my poop when we didn't convert it because we called time out for that play! And I completely raged when the zebra called taunting on us. 

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15 minutes ago, Lebowski said:

Man, you're cracking me up! Keep it coming. 

I didn't mind that we went for it on 4th. I actually preferred it. Especially if they convert it and we get more points going into the half. I also felt good about keeping them at bay if we didn't convert it because our D was doing yeoman's work. Now, I did lose my poop when we didn't convert it because we called time out for that play! And I completely raged when the zebra called taunting on us. 

I can understand that. My dad and uncle (I watched the game with them)... they felt the same. 

But, in my opinion, if you're going the ultra-conservative route (which I agreed with in this game)... fully commit to it. 

I am also big on the momentum aspect. 

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Just now, btownqb said:

I can understand that. My dad and uncle (I watched the game with them)... they felt the same. 

But, in my opinion, if you're going the ultra-conservative route (which I agreed with in this game)... fully commit to it. 

I am also big on the momentum aspect. 

No argument from me. Hindsight tells us they should have punted. But I still like the call, especially how the D was playing.

[go iu bb 6,211]

https://www.si.com/college/indiana/football/ohio-state-defensive-coordinator-jim-knowles-says-buckeyes-barely-prepared-for-indiana-football-triple-option-offense

That is how inept the offense is. They scored 3 points and had problems moving the chains without OSU even preparing for it.

[Hovadipo 56,456]

It was obvious Saturday and Allen mentioned it in his weekly presser and I even think postgame Saturday, but our kick return team absolutely boned our offense all day. Whether it was missing assignments, getting dumb flags, or both, Lucas was getting killed, putting us inside the 20 way too much. You just can't have that with rotating RS FR QBs. That forced an already-conservative gameplan to go into pure survival mode.

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38 minutes ago, btownqb said:

3rd and 5 in plus territory... we ran straight speed option with no jet fake at all, to the boundary. That's a very questionable call. 

That was the drive we got the FG on. 

Watching their monsters close on that play and anything else outside all day had me cracking up. The closing speed on perimeter plays by everyone from DBs to interior DL is the easiest way to show people the difference in the type of athletes we're working with/going up against.

(This doesn't even have anything to do with the thread necessarily, just talking ball at this point)

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2 minutes ago, Hovadipo said:

It was obvious Saturday and Allen mentioned it in his weekly presser and I even think postgame Saturday, but our kick return team absolutely boned our offense all day. Whether it was missing assignments, getting dumb flags, or both, Lucas was getting killed, putting us inside the 20 way too much. You just can't have that with rotating RS FR QBs. That forced an already-conservative gameplan to go into pure survival mode.

see... context. 

Throw that in with 3 different occasions, not converting on 3rd down, when we ABSOLUTELY should have.... there's your story for the offense on Saturday. 

Those 3 missed conversions, cost us at least 9 plays offensively, and a whole lot of MO. 

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5 minutes ago, go iu bb said:

https://www.si.com/college/indiana/football/ohio-state-defensive-coordinator-jim-knowles-says-buckeyes-barely-prepared-for-indiana-football-triple-option-offense

Jimmies and Joes

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1 minute ago, Hovadipo said:

Watching their monsters close on that play and anything else outside all day had me cracking up. The closing speed on perimeter plays by everyone from DBs to interior DL is the easiest way to show people the difference in the type of athletes we're working with/going up against.

(This doesn't even have anything to do with the thread necessarily, just talking ball at this point)

I agree completely. It was evident. 

Its really going to be ugly if you don't try and move those guys eyes at all, and see if they'll take themselves out of the play. 

I think the mindset was.... go see if you can get a cheap 3 yards or so, then go for it on a shorter 4th down. 

OSU f'ed up that plan. 

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50 minutes ago, btownqb said:

3rd and 5 in plus territory... we ran straight speed option with no jet fake at all, to the boundary. That's a very questionable call. 

That was the drive we got the FG on. 

I can't stop watching this play. It drove me nuts Saturday, but I didn't realize how unlikely it was to work. OSU lines up with 8 in the box, overhang player over the slot, safety shaded to the boundary, and the boundary corner. All 11 defenders were playing that option from the snap lol. Two guys (top-10 pick this year and a 5-star) play Tayven, one of those ALSO plays Lucas (and makes the TFL), and another (possibly the best linebacker in the country) was playing Lucas from the start. If he somehow crosses the line of scrimmage, the other 8 players on the field are waiting on him.

And that is why the speed option has died.

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1 minute ago, Hovadipo said:

And that is why the speed option has died.

Which begs the obvious question... Why???

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6 minutes ago, bigrod said:

Which begs the obvious question... Why???

Go to the 6:45 mark on the 1st half highlights that btownqb posted on the previous page. Too many athletes on the field to be messing around behind the line of scrimmage for that long.

[monskisprodigy 1,945]

I will admit...when it comes to the X'S and O's of football, I don't have that knowledge. I couldn't tell you coverages, offensive schemes, etc. 

But I do know, I am sick of watching us not throw the ball and run a dive on what seems like every other play. I thought the ball moved a little better when Sorsby was able to sling it...but by that point I'd had my fair share of beverages and was occupied by my buddies new putting green. 

In everyones opinions...who is the guy? Jackson or Sorsby? Is Dexter back in the equation when healthy?

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6 minutes ago, monskisprodigy said:

I will admit...when it comes to the X'S and O's of football, I don't have that knowledge. I couldn't tell you coverages, offensive schemes, etc. 

But I do know, I am sick of watching us not throw the ball and run a dive on what seems like every other play. I thought the ball moved a little better when Sorsby was able to sling it...but by that point I'd had my fair share of beverages and was occupied by my buddies new putting green. 

In everyones opinions...who is the guy? Jackson or Sorsby? Is Dexter back in the equation when healthy?

I don't think they should try to limit it to one, I still think you can play two QBs in some situations and we might have one of those. 

I cannot agree to the bold.... when playing against OSU with generally awful field position the entire day. 

Is Dexter back in the equation? Oh undoubtedly if he's healthy. 

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53 minutes ago, btownqb said:

I don't think they should try to limit it to one, I still think you can play two QBs in some situations and we might have one of those. 

I cannot agree to the bold.... when playing against OSU with generally awful field position the entire day. 

Is Dexter back in the equation? Oh undoubtedly if he's healthy. 

When you have a very weak offensive line, running it up the middle was never going to work. Also don't have a good enough RB to find holes. And the line isn't good enough to make those holes. Passing wise, Bell decided to wait until the 4th quarter to really start passing the ball... And then Bell was dumb enough to say he could see both QBs in the NFL one day, but didn't have any confidence to let them throw, even on 3rd and 5 at the end of the first half. Weaker offensive line, gotta make things happen very quick. We slowed it down like we had a Bret Bieliema Wisconsin OLine and could control the line of scrimmage. When things have to be quicker for a much less talented team. Quick hitting screens and slants. There was a reason Kevin Wilson made Indiana into a great offensive team. He understood he had to create an advantage with a lot less talent. If you're going to control the line of scrimmage, you can't have the worst OLine in the conference going up against one of the best DLines in the country. Slowing it down only helped Ohio State. It only kept us from losing by 60. And slowing it down didn't help our defense either because it was 3 and out pretty consistently. Walt Bell couldn't have called his way out of a paper bag with a big hole in it.

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1 hour ago, monskisprodigy said:

In everyones opinions...who is the guy? Jackson or Sorsby?

I think it'll be weeks before this becomes clear. Just as you can't draw conclusions (well, you can, but...) against that OSU defense, you won't be able to draw any against ISU either. Hopefully somebody can get in a rhythm against UL and build on that against Akron. They seemed like the exact same guy to me on Saturday. Athletic enough to not get killed, good not great arms, but again idk what we can learn from playing against those dudes in both of those guys' first "start".

As far as Dexter goes...never been a huge fan there, although he was electric in his short time last year. Just not sure how explosive he'll be after that horrific injury and he won't be able to make up for a lack of explosiveness with his arm.

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59 minutes ago, Hovadipo said:

I think it'll be weeks before this becomes clear. Just as you can't draw conclusions (well, you can, but...) against that OSU defense, you won't be able to draw any against ISU either. Hopefully somebody can get in a rhythm against UL and build on that against Akron. They seemed like the exact same guy to me on Saturday. Athletic enough to not get killed, good not great arms, but again idk what we can learn from playing against those dudes in both of those guys' first "start".

As far as Dexter goes...never been a huge fan there, although he was electric in his short time last year. Just not sure how explosive he'll be after that horrific injury and he won't be able to make up for a lack of explosiveness with his arm.

Well you'll never find out if the ball isn't getting thrown. Basically waited until the 4th to let Sorsby sling it around a little. Actually had a somewhat good drive going at the beginning of the 4th.. and then Walt Bell strikes. 2nd and 10, rushes Jaylin Lucas for 3 yards and on 3rd and 7, designed QB draw for -6. Had gotten it to the OSU 36 on a 3rd and 7. Ended up turning it over on downs because of stupid play calling.