IU Basketball News and Notes

[Stuhoo]

28 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Iowa good? In those four years Kentucky went 26-11 (sweet 16); 30-7 (elite 8); 25-6 (tournament canceled, won the SEC); and then 9-16. Iowa hasn’t won the Big 10 since 1979, hasn’t made a sweet 16 since 1999, and hasn’t made an elite 8 since 1987. Iowa hasn’t won 30 games since 1987, and has only won 25+ games 3 times since 1987.

That doesn’t really compare to what UK did during the Archie era. UK did in 4 years what Iowa has done in 35.. Calipari gets pretty underrated around here, honestly. I get that people don’t like his ways, but over the last 10 NCAA tournaments he’s went round of 64, missed tournament, elite 8, sweet 16, elite 8, round of 32, final four, NC game, missed tournament, NC. 

Alright, for those four years UK was about Purdue good.

And that’s with a UK preseason ranking of top-five for three of the four years and top ten every year.

[cthomas]

Given their recruiting success, I think it's fair to say they have under achieved. The best team I have seen them have was the year they lost to Wisconsin. That loss, in my opinion, was completely on Calipari. To me, he is a great salesman who has a line that appeals to some very good kids but a mediocre coach. With the talent he has had he should have multiple National Championships by now. And the one they have, could have easily have been ours.

[Hoosierfan2017]

59 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

Alright, for those four years UK was about Purdue good.

And that’s with a UK preseason ranking of top-five for three of the four years and top ten every year.

Preseason rankings are just that, preseason. UK will almost always be ranked highly in a preseason poll because of the UK brand. When IU had a good brand it got the same treatment in the polls. 

In 2018 UK was 5th in the preseason, 18th in the final, won the SEC tournament, and made the sweet 16. In 2019, UK was 2nd in the preseason, 7th in the final, and made the elite 8. In 2020, UK was 2nd in the preseason, 8th in the final, won the SEC, and then the tournament was canceled. 2021 UK sucked, and then in 2022 UK was 10th in the preseason and 7th in the final, though they lost in the first round.

Has UK underachieved the past half decade? Eh, I guess you could say that. Arguably their best team was in 2020 and that team didn’t get to play in the tournament, which makes it harder to evaluate. But UK’s results while underachieving are better than the vast majority of schools during that same timespan. To the extent either team “needs” the game, IU needs it a lot more than UK. UK has an outstanding national brand and continues to reload with top 2-3 classes every year. They’re fine either way. We need to be in these kinds of games. 

[CSP]

On 10/3/2022 at 1:56 PM, Stuhoo said:

Parker Stewart was entirely a Kenya Hunter get.

Cmon... The HC still "oks" it. Either Archie screwed up getting Parker, or Archie screwed up allowing Kenya to get Parker. Regardless, there is still plenty of blame on Archie, and as you mentioned... plenty on Hunter, as well. 

Massive addition by subtraction, though, imo. 

[IU Scott]

14 hours ago, IUFAN1976 said:

Well I disagree, I think the depth is there to play 10.  Also, none of them team you mentioned made the final 4.  With College Basketball playing more games now, depth is important to allow teams to be a little fresher come tournament time and that’s when he should most likely shorten the rotation, IMO

Look at the final four from last year and every team had at least 3 starters to play 30+mpg. UNC had 5 over 30.  To me it is best to play a 8 man rotation who plays the majority of the minutes.

[HoosierAloha]

On 10/4/2022 at 10:05 AM, HoosierX said:

Kopp is the best weak side defender and communicator on the team. There's a reason he played as much as he did last season.

Are you referencing Kopp helping off his man and being too slow to get back out to him, leaving them wide open from deep or being off-balance in both closeouts and defending 1v1? He was a net negative for the team and I'm sure the numbers back that up. His shot selection was terrible for an upperclassman.

Again, if he has a repeat performance from last season the team won't reach their goals.

[HoosierAloha]

On 10/4/2022 at 9:46 AM, HoosierHoopster said:

I agree with this in part Aloha. I was really frustrated with Kopp's shooting last season, but more so for the lack of attempts and the way Woodson used him. I'm a believer in Woodson, but I was really surprised we shot around the same number of outside shots that we did under CAM, that's just mind boggling. We did not use the perimeter. We leaned way to heavily on the frontcourt. What I hope to see this season is guys like Bates, Kopp, JHS, X and yes JG taking those outside shots with the space that I think JHS and X will create with the inside dominance of TJD and Race and some Ren. Not having an inside-out game with these guys on the floor makes no sense, and Kopp can shoot, if he actually takes the dang shots.

One thing I liked in Ren's interview from ITH, he talked kick-outs. 

The begins with Kopp. He had some good looks but would take a dribble or two into his pull up game where he started the foundation for the next Assembly Hall. Woody should have pulled him for those bad shots but you could see it coming when last summer Kopp mentioned choosing IU because Woody would allow him to expand his game.

[HoosierAloha]

On 10/4/2022 at 9:54 AM, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Unfortunately he’s about the closest thing we have to a maker. If the returning players only Johnson shoots better from 3, and most of his 3s seemed to be on wide open attempts. 

This is the problem. He's not really an outstanding shooter, isn't a plus defender, has bad shot selection, and doesn't rebound well. I guess he communicates? I haven't looked at the stats for awhile but I believe his eFG% was pretty bad and towards the bottom of rotation players.

[HoosierAloha]

We would be collectively [insert inappropriate phrase] if we had cal's record the past decade. The reason we nitpick is because they're a "rival." That "underachieving" is what we've been winning in the offseason for years.

[IUFAN1976]

1 hour ago, IU Scott said:

Look at the final four from last year and every team had at least 3 starters to play 30+mpg. UNC had 5 over 30.  To me it is best to play a 8 man rotation who plays the majority of the minutes.

I still say this:  “come tournament time and that’s when he should most likely shorten the rotation”. It just makes since to have our top 8 players fresher come tournament time by utilizing a deeper bench during the season.  If we play only 8 guys, who would you say sits?  Galloway, Geronimo, Bates, Reneau just to name 4 and there maybe others who emerge worthy of minutes 

[Honkyman]

48 minutes ago, IUFAN1976 said:

If we play only 8 guys, who would you say sits?  Galloway, Geronimo, Bates, Reneau just to name 4 and there maybe others who emerge worthy of minutes 

Galloway although he will play if his perimeter shooting has improved. It is not likely Galloway will play ahead of Bates, Geronimo or Reneau. Bates is apparently the most improved player on the team and Galloway spent the summer recovering from surgery. Geronimo and Reneau will play in front court. Obviously if someone gets hurt or production on the court is poor, Galloway could see more time.

[IU Scott]

2 hours ago, IUFAN1976 said:

I still say this:  “come tournament time and that’s when he should most likely shorten the rotation”. It just makes since to have our top 8 players fresher come tournament time by utilizing a deeper bench during the season.  If we play only 8 guys, who would you say sits?  Galloway, Geronimo, Bates, Reneau just to name 4 and there maybe others who emerge worthy of minutes 

If it was up to me Galloway and Kopp would probably play 10mpg. Obviously those 4 teams didn't have trouble getting to the final with mainly playing 8 players 

[Hoosierfan2017]

2 hours ago, HoosierAloha said:

We would be collectively [insert inappropriate phrase] if we had cal's record the past decade. The reason we nitpick is because they're a "rival." That "underachieving" is what we've been winning in the offseason for years.

That’s why I really disagree with the downplaying of Calipari’s results. Would I be upset if we had his classes but got his results? Sure, maybe. It’s an impossible question for me to answer because I root for a team that hasn’t made it past the sweet 16 since I was in the first grade. He’s made 7 elite eights and 4 final fours at UK. How many schools have had better results over that span? 

[IUc2016]

8 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

That’s why I really disagree with the downplaying of Calipari’s results. Would I be upset if we had his classes but got his results? Sure, maybe. It’s an impossible question for me to answer because I root for a team that hasn’t made it past the sweet 16 since I was in the first grade. He’s made 7 elite eights and 4 final fours at UK. How many schools have had better results over that span? 

lol it could easily be argued that the last decade of UK basketball has been as good or better than any decade of IU basketball except for maybe the 80s. Sucks but true

Not jealous of them because I hate UK, but not gonna deny their success. 

[Hoosierfan2017]

6 minutes ago, IUc2016 said:

lol it could easily be argued that the last decade of UK basketball has been as good or better than any decade of IU basketball except for maybe the 80s. Sucks but true

Not jealous of them because I hate UK, but not gonna deny their success. 

Honestly it’s hard for me not to be jealous of their success. Calipari’s been there for 13 years (12 if you take out 2020 when the tournament was canceled). During that span he’s made 7 of 12 elite 8s. We’ve made 5 of 12 tournaments. I can’t even imagine rooting for a team that’s playing for a final four berth in March over 50% of the time. 

[IUc2016]

40 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Honestly it’s hard for me not to be jealous of their success. Calipari’s been there for 13 years (12 if you take out 2020 when the tournament was canceled). During that span he’s made 7 of 12 elite 8s. We’ve made 5 of 12 tournaments. I can’t even imagine rooting for a team that’s playing for a final four berth in March over 50% of the time. 

And then wanting him fired, as most of BBN does. 

[IU Scott]

1 hour ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Honestly it’s hard for me not to be jealous of their success. Calipari’s been there for 13 years (12 if you take out 2020 when the tournament was canceled). During that span he’s made 7 of 12 elite 8s. We’ve made 5 of 12 tournaments. I can’t even imagine rooting for a team that’s playing for a final four berth in March over 50% of the time. 

I was born in 1970 and in my first 23 years IU went to the final 4 in 73, 76, 81, 87, 92

Went to the elite 8 in 75 which should been another final 4 and national champion. 84,93

Won the NIT in 79 and back then the NIT was a big deal.

Lost in sweet 16 in 78, 80,83,89,91

I did this off the top of my head but thinks it is pretty accurate. So that is 13 out of 24 years at least making the sweet 16

[Hoosierfan2017]

27 minutes ago, IU Scott said:

I was born in 1970 and in my first 23 years IU went to the final 4 in 73, 76, 81, 87, 92

Went to the elite 8 in 75 which should been another final 4 and national champion. 84,93

Won the NIT in 79 and back then the NIT was a big deal.

Lost in sweet 16 in 80,82,91

I did this off the top of my head but thinks it is pretty accurate. So that is 11 out of 24 years at least making the sweet 16

I would love to have had that kind of IU fandom experience. Unfortunately, we’ve only made 4 sweet 16s and 1 elite 8 during my lifetime. The post-Knight years have not been ideal. What frustrates me is that I see little reason why we can’t have UK-type results here.

We have the history, we have the fanbase, we just don’t get the results. I’m not sure we ever will be more than a ‘once was.’ A lot of people have high hopes for this season, but idk. I have a lot of concerns. We’ll need JHS and Malik to really step it up this year, imo. 

[IU Scott]

3 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

I would love to have had that kind of IU fandom experience. Unfortunately, we’ve only made 4 sweet 16s and 1 elite 8 during my lifetime. The post-Knight years have not been ideal. What frustrates me is that I see little reason why we can’t have UK-type results here.

We have the history, we have the fanbase, we just don’t get the results. I’m not sure we ever will be more than a ‘once was.’ A lot of people have high hopes for this season, but idk. I have a lot of concerns. We’ll need JHS and Malik to really step it up this year, imo. 

Actually I was off on this post and changed it because I forgot about sweet 16's in 78, 83 and 89 was wrong about 82 so it was 13 out of 23 years of making at least the sweet 16.  It was nice going into every game this king you will win every game.  There were no games during that time that I thought we had no shot of winning.

[TheWatShot]

8 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

I would love to have had that kind of IU fandom experience. Unfortunately, we’ve only made 4 sweet 16s and 1 elite 8 during my lifetime. The post-Knight years have not been ideal. What frustrates me is that I see little reason why we can’t have UK-type results here.

We have the history, we have the fanbase, we just don’t get the results. I’m not sure we ever will be more than a ‘once was.’ A lot of people have high hopes for this season, but idk. I have a lot of concerns. We’ll need JHS and Malik to really step it up this year, imo. 

UK would never nuke its program like we did after Sampson, nor would they ever take pride in being as terrible as we were in the aftermath. I think that's when we officially turned in our blueblood card.