IU Basketball News and Notes

[Scotty R]

16 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

CBS polled 100 college coaches who made the best off season hire. 
 

McCollum lead in votes, then Will Wade, then Sean Miller.  They made up 68% of the votes. 
 

next 3. Ryan Odom-Virginia, Buzz Williams, Niko Medved.

others receiving multiple votes. Kevin Willard, Ross Hodge, and Alex Jensen.   
 

Wild to me.  Even as a “realist” this one is shocking. 
 

time will tell and time will tell soon.  
 

 

Well remember that Archie Miller hire was well praised and called a home run hire.

[WayneFleekHoosier]

39 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

McCollum wasn’t even their first choice? 

I guess that true.  Hard to really know. Parrish and Norlander polled 100 college coaches.  Could argue that all 100 are biased against DeVries and Indiana.  Maybe. Odds are he was just overlooked for whatever reason.  Previous success?  Current roster? Projected success?  I have no idea their reasoning.  I’d personally say DeVries belongs in the top 3-5 based on previous success.   

[Stuhoo]

1 minute ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

I guess that true.  Hard to really know. Parrish and Norlander polled 100 college coaches.  Could argue that all 100 are biased against DeVries and Indiana.  Maybe. Odds are he was just overlooked for whatever reason.  Previous success?  Current roster? Projected success?  I have no idea their reasoning.  I’d personally say DeVries belongs in the top 3-5 based on previous success.   

It’s partly because Devries is pretty invisible to the media and has never really been a social coaching community guy.

[WayneFleekHoosier]

34 minutes ago, Scotty R said:

Well remember that Archie Miller hire was well praised and called a home run hire.

I don’t know why I respond to you, but I do.  Archie was praised by Media.  And maybe coaches alike.  Media miss a lot. Understood. Archie was overrated, but also Archie was hamstrung with resources.  No clear mission but to recruit local players because much of the fanbase gets in a tizzy when we don’t have enough Indiana Kids. The kids he got weren’t good enough and neither was he.  Most probably assumed he’d be able to cheat like Sean did at Arizona and have similar success. I did. But then again, Indiana wasn’t gonna have that at that time. (Thank Adidas for Romeo). Relationship has fizzled since. IF Archie had Woodson’s last 2 years advantages?  Maybe?  
 

Also, this is a coaches poll, not media.  See my post above.  

[Uspshoosier]

7 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

I guess that true

Iowas fans and message boards had DeVries as their top choice and was convinced he was going to Iowa.   Iowas premium boards Rabby had DeVries has their top choice on their hot board 1.0.   Then DeVries told them no thanks so they moved on to their next choice.   I’m sure it will all work out for them in the long run however DeVries was their top choice and definitely iowas keyboard warriors on message boards first choice 

[WayneFleekHoosier]

6 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

It’s partly because Devries is pretty invisible to the media and has never really been a social coaching community guy.

Maybe. McCollum is the new media darling.  Is that why he won the college coaches poll?  Because they are listening to media?  That’s pretty lame if coaches are relying on the media for their opinion, but that could be the case. 

[Uspshoosier]

2 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Is that why he won the college coaches poll?

Overlooked coach that grinded in D2 with crazy success for as long as he did.  Coaches poll dream when one of their own grinders gets a chance at a major program 

[WayneFleekHoosier]

Just now, Uspshoosier said:

Iowas fans and message boards had DeVries as their top choice and was convinced he was going to Iowa.   Iowas premium boards Rabby had DeVries has their top choice on their hot board 1.0.   Then DeVries told them no thanks so they moved on to their next choice.   I’m sure it will all work out for them in the long run however DeVries was their top choice and definitely iowas keyboard warriors on message boards first choice 

Yeah, could be.  What do keyboard warriors really know?   Makes sense to me DeVries would at least be on par with McCollum on a search.  That’s additionally why the college coaches poll results are shocking.  
 

Really hope we are good enough to put some respect back on Indiana’s name soon. We’ve drifted ever so far. 

[Scotty R]

7 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

I don’t know why I respond to you, but I do.  Archie was praised by Media.  And maybe coaches alike.  Media miss a lot. Understood. Archie was overrated, but also Archie was hamstrung with resources.  No clear mission but to recruit local players because much of the fanbase gets in a tizzy when we don’t have enough Indiana Kids. The kids he got weren’t good enough and neither was he.  Most probably assumed he’d be able to cheat like Sean did at Arizona and have similar success. I did. But then again, Indiana wasn’t gonna have that at that time. (Thank Adidas for Romeo). Relationship has fizzled since. IF Archie had Woodson’s last 2 years advantages?  Maybe?  
 

Also, this is a coaches poll, not media.  See my post above.  

I know you like to look at things through the pessimistic side of things and will see what you want to see. I was just saying these polls are worthless 

[WayneFleekHoosier]

2 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Overlooked coach that grinded in D2 with crazy success for as long as he did.  Coaches poll dream when one of their own grinders gets a chance at a major program 

I guess. All the new coaches have grinded their entire career.  They didn’t poll D2 coaches. 

[Uspshoosier]

1 minute ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

I guess. All the new coaches have grinded their entire career.  They didn’t poll D2 coaches. 

I guess 

[WayneFleekHoosier]

1 minute ago, Scotty R said:

I know you like to look at things through the pessimistic side of things and will see what you want to see. I was just saying these polls are worthless 

Not entirely worthless.  It’s a definitive glimpse behind the scenes on what people (college coaches) think.  Does that impact winning. Not necessarily. But also not worthless.  PR and momentum is a thing.  To ignore it’s not is missing part of the equation. 

[Kentuckysucks]

17 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Overlooked coach that grinded in D2 with crazy success for as long as he did.  Coaches poll dream when one of their own grinders gets a chance at a major program 

He's going to be the next Bo Ryan or the next Ray Harper.  I'm very happy with DeVries but I probably would've rolled the dice on McCollum.

[Home Jersey]

Thankfully just about a month left before they're playing games that count and we can base opinions off that rather than preseason polls and media speculation 

[Stuhoo]

1 hour ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Maybe. McCollum is the new media darling.  Is that why he won the college coaches poll?  Because they are listening to media?  That’s pretty lame if coaches are relying on the media for their opinion, but that could be the case. 

Heard from more than a few reports that when he’s out on the trail, Devries keeps to himself and doesn’t chop it up with his peers.

[str8baller]

1 hour ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

I don’t know why I respond to you, but I do.  Archie was praised by Media.  And maybe coaches alike.  Media miss a lot. Understood. Archie was overrated, but also Archie was hamstrung with resources.  No clear mission but to recruit local players because much of the fanbase gets in a tizzy when we don’t have enough Indiana Kids. The kids he got weren’t good enough and neither was he.  Most probably assumed he’d be able to cheat like Sean did at Arizona and have similar success. I did. But then again, Indiana wasn’t gonna have that at that time. (Thank Adidas for Romeo). Relationship has fizzled since. IF Archie had Woodson’s last 2 years advantages?  Maybe?  
 

Also, this is a coaches poll, not media.  See my post above.  

Archie was hamstrung because he sucked at coaching. Period. 
 

And everyone loved him and he won those offseason polls. I wouldn’t pay attention to them. Those polls are voted on by the likes of Mike Woodson and Fran and Crean and a bunch of other coaches who want to fill out media surveys. Literally worthless. 

[Pagoda]

2 hours ago, str8baller said:

Archie was hamstrung because he sucked at coaching. Period. 
 

And everyone loved him and he won those offseason polls. I wouldn’t pay attention to them. Those polls are voted on by the likes of Mike Woodson and Fran and Crean and a bunch of other coaches who want to fill out media surveys. Literally worthless. 

Just as a total aside… I can’t think of a person who would be more excited to get a coaches survey in their inbox than Tom Crean.

[HoosierHoopster]

1 hour ago, Home Jersey said:

Thankfully just about a month left before they're playing games that count and we can base opinions off that rather than preseason polls and media speculation 

Preseason polls mean jacksh$t. 
couldn’t care less and what’s the point anyway— anyone who has actually followed DeVries’ coaching career can see he can coach, now it’s about how he builds the program, recruiting and portal.

[WayneFleekHoosier]

Archie was hamstrung because he sucked at coaching. Period. 
 
And everyone loved him and he won those offseason polls. I wouldn’t pay attention to them. Those polls are voted on by the likes of Mike Woodson and Fran and Crean and a bunch of other coaches who want to fill out media surveys. Literally worthless. 

First comment just isn’t necessarily true. He was a good/great coach at Dayton. He was a really bad coach at Indiana. He’s been mostly bad at Rhode Island.

However, Indianas administration wasn’t allowing our athletic programs to compete on a level playing field to the SEC and the BlueBloods and some notable others that skirted rules. ((Arizona, Kansas and several others). Would Archie have had Sean results with a “grey” budget like Sean? Probably not. We had a better budget than a lot of B1G schools that still kicked our tail. That indicates it still might have been bad, but his ceiling is hamstrung if he can’t get top end talent.

And the second part? No. Parrish and Norlander call/reach out to the coaches they have relationships with. Maybe they suck. Maybe they are great. No indication they are Woodson, Fran, and Crean. Lol. Fran and Woodson are funny example because they would never participate in such a thing anyway.

Again, stated above. It’s just an interesting anecdote that 100 coaches were surveyed and these are the results. Read into it what you will. Even if it means nothing, and it basically does it’s still a glimpse into the minds of active college coaches.

Hopefully we get to laugh at all of them in 6 months.


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[str8baller]

4 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Fran and Woodson are funny example because they would never participate in such a thing anyway.

No coaches would. It gets handed off to a grad assistant. Same as their votes in the actual coaches poll.