IUBB vs Wisconsin - 02/15/22 @ 9:00 on ESPN2

[HoosierAloha]

Goodness, we have a long way to go as a fan base too.

I would really like to know what happened leading up to the suspension. Not the action that caused the suspension but all the missteps before that. You don't just sneak out after curfew, get caught, and get suspended. There is more to that story than we'll probably every know.

I have my theories as to why we're still struggling with culture and fundamentals.

[Golfman25]

16 minutes ago, brumdog45 said:

At some point you do have to wonder about a guy who really has been suspended for a half prior and then benched a second time for missing curfew.  I'm sure his demeanor makes people wonder if he's giving his all -- I do -- but the only time I've really seen any emotion from him was when Davison scraped his face.  The game where he was benched the first half earlier in the year he looked like he wanted to be anywhere but at Assembly Hall.  I think you can tell quite a bit about a player by how they act when they aren't playing.  

Maybe that’s just him.  I’ll date myself, but years ago people thought Fred Couples didn’t have what it takes cause he just kinda looked bored on the golf course.  Then he went on a tear, won the masters and was the number one ranked golfer in the world.  I would trust the coaches who spend the most time with the kid and get to know the kid to determine his work ethic and attitude.  

[HoosierAloha]

2 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Noah Vonleh and Thomas Bryant say hi. 

There are some Hoosier fan favorites that say hi, too.

That doesn't happen at IU and would never happen under Knight either, except when it did.

[HoosierHoops1]

3 hours ago, HoosierHoopster said:

There are all sorts of alternative punishments / rule enforcement measures that other coaches employ all the time. Sprints, early morning practices with sprints etc, a day at the football stadium running stairs, etc.

All these are easy as pie for guys that age. NO PENALTY AT ALL.

Missing a game? Now, that hurts.

[Uspshoosier]

10 minutes ago, Hovadipo said:

Yeah. It’s a strange situation for sure. Again, we don’t even know why Stewart sat that half early on. Probably discipline, but who knows? A lot of details involved that would probably sway people’s feelings on it one or another, but no one will ever likely know. 

He had a blow up at practice and got kicked out.   Staff probably doing everything they can to keep him engaged.  I’m sure most of it has to do with the loss of his dad.   

[HoosierHoopster]

2 hours ago, IU - Kaulie said:

Team game.  Team rules.  CMW laid it out there.  He loves his kids but his rule is if you violate team rules then you don’t play.  No running stairs or whatever.  The message is you don’t play period. I love it.  I bet the players that did play were more upset with those 5 players than Woodson because everyone knows the requirements and expectations.  

Yeah this is where we just disagree — which is fine, reasonable disagreement. The violation was minor, the punishment may end up tanking the whole season. To me that’s no bueno, stubbornness over  everything.

[Hovadipo]

1 minute ago, Uspshoosier said:

He had a blow up at practice and got kicked out.   Staff probably doing everything they can to keep him engaged.  I’m sure most of it has to do with the loss of his dad.   

Welp, maybe we will find out! Lol USPS - like college basketball and, well, the mailman - delivers once again.

I’m personally chalking that up as an incident that shouldn’t be held against him when it comes to the NW incident. That stuff happens quite a bit. 

[Indiana muskie]

2 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

He had a blow up at practice and got kicked out.   Staff probably doing everything they can to keep him engaged.  I’m sure most of it has to do with the loss of his dad.   

Think some of it could be that Archie sold him on something that didn't happen under Woody . 

[HoosierHoops1]

30 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

I mean, it is legal now so... let's live in a world where we stack the odds against ourselves? Sounds like a very IU thing to do.

It's been going on for decades (even at IU, shhhhh!). We're just too stupid to get out of our own way to be good at it.

It's not legal now.

[HoosierHoopster]

2 hours ago, brumdog45 said:

You do know Northwestern was a 1 point favorite?  The players were gassed at the end but I'm not convinced that we ever get up 7 in the second half with our normal rotation.

It was a coin flip game WITH all of our guys.  Not having Lander or Durr was irrelevant.  And if you think that X, Stewart, and X make us automatically win that game, I'll introduce exhibit A:  X, Stewart, and Bates' combined 6 of 29 shooting yesterday.

Seriously, exactly what has any of the suspended players done that has deserved leniency?

I don’t follow the attempt to spin it to what have they done to deserve leniency. That’s just not the point. The point is whether suspending all 5 for what was a minor rules violation in a key game was excessive and poorly thought out. To me it was, to you it wasn’t— that’s ok. And i watched the game, we would’ve won with the missing 5 players. 
if you want to spin it, how about giving examples of college teams who went into a game missing 5 contributing players, including their starting — really only - point guard and won? Good hunting. Or, how did the Galloway point guard conversation go? Yeah, of course missing all 5 made it much less likely we’d win

[HoosierAloha]

Just now, HoosierHoops1 said:

It's not legal now.

How is TJD making close to 6 figures (think something like that was stated on here)?

[HoosierHoops1]

24 minutes ago, IU - Kaulie said:

It’s still pretty strange why he sat that half.  Woodson wouldn’t say anything about it whatsoever but was a little more forthcoming with the 2nd incident.

I always figured it was because of the flagrant foul the previous game.

[HoosierAloha]

5 minutes ago, HoosierHoops1 said:

It's not legal now.

Shhhh! Don't tell the NCAA that IU is doing this, they'll hammer us!

https://indianahq.com/how-indiana-university-athletes-are-cashing-in-early-in-the-nil-era/

[HoosierHoopster]

2 hours ago, brumdog45 said:

Winning begins with doing what it takes to win.  And when you have players who aren't doing what it takes, enabling them sure as hell doesn't help.

Early morning practice and running sprints in exchange for a night out on the town?  College kids will take that exchange every time.  

Your opinion. We disagree. Coaches often run players etc for rules violations, they don’t often sit 5 players for what was a relatively minor team rules violation. 
i said I believe in Woodson long term, but i think this was just a bad, stubborn decision, and an unnecessarily costly one.

[Uspshoosier]

5 minutes ago, HoosierHoopster said:

I don’t follow the attempt to spin it to what have they done to deserve leniency. That’s just not the point. The point is whether suspending all 5 for what was a minor rules violation in a key game was excessive and poorly thought out. To me it was, to you it wasn’t— that’s ok. And i watched the game, we would’ve won with the missing 5 players. 
if you want to spin it, how about giving examples of college teams who went into a game missing 5 contributing players, including their starting — really only - point guard and won? Good hunting. Or, how did the Galloway point guard conversation go? Yeah, of course missing all 5 made it much less likely we’d win

Minnesota beat  Rutgers this year down 3 starters and only 7 scholarship players 

[HoosierHoops1]

Just now, HoosierAloha said:

Shhhh! Don't tell the NCAA that IU is doing this, they'll hammer us!

https://indianahq.com/how-indiana-university-athletes-are-cashing-in-early-in-the-nil-era/

Don't be obtuse. It's not legal to give players "bags of cash".

I just can't had TJD 20k tomorrow. That's not legal.

Podcasts, sponsorships, whatever have to give fair market value. Can't just give money for the sake of giving money.

[HoosierHoopster]

4 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Minnesota beat  Rutgers this year down 3 starters and only 7 scholarship players 

Fair, but i guess they had a point guard and 5 is more than 3. I mean do you really think our missing all 5 including our point guard didn’t make it much less likely we’d win? Whether benching all 5 was right to me is just a matter of opinion, but i dont know how anyone can actually believe missing all 5 wasn’t a major crutch

[IU - Kaulie]

15 minutes ago, HoosierHoopster said:

Yeah this is where we just disagree — which is fine, reasonable disagreement. The violation was minor, the punishment may end up tanking the whole season. To me that’s no bueno, stubbornness over  everything.

That’s fair.  We will just disagree here.  I’ll even take it one step further.  If this happened during a run in the tournament they should still be suspended in my opinion.  Makes no difference.

[Uspshoosier]

4 minutes ago, HoosierHoopster said:

Fair, but i guess they had a point guard and 5 is more than 3. I mean do you really think our missing all 5 including our point guard didn’t make it much less likely we’d win? Whether benching all 5 was right to me is just a matter of opinion, but i dont know how anyone can actually believe missing all 5 wasn’t a major crutch

Minny had 3 kids play 40 min and 2 others play 37 mins 

[HoosierHoopster]

Just now, Uspshoosier said:

Minny had 3 kids play 40 min and 2 others play 37 mins 

Doesn’t answer my question. Ok calling it a night — goodnight —