IUBB vs Wisconsin - 02/15/22 @ 9:00 on ESPN2

[IU Scott 2,375]

2 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

You’re right, choices have consequences. Woody chose to suspend our players for a very winnable road game because of a minor infraction and now we’re very much on the bubble. 

For most people there are more important things than just wins or losses.  If suspending these players change the culture around IU basketball then it will be worth it.  I hope it shows that stupidity and terrible decision making will not be tolerated at IU.

[RaceToTheTop 31,480]

Just now, MikeRoberts said:

Again, what on earth are you even arguing? Are you at all trying to suggest that Parker Stewart has played with effort this season? 
 

he starts regardless. That sets the wrong tone and culture. Go back and watch him and only him on every possession and see if you believe what you are typing 

I've criticized Stewart.  A LOT.  Guess you only read what you want to.  AND I've said Woodson shouldn't be giving him the minutes he plays.

Dude, I'm done with you.

[IU - Kaulie 2,101]

4 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

You’re right, choices have consequences. Woody chose to suspend our players for a very winnable road game because of a minor infraction and now we’re very much on the bubble. Woody wants to act like Bob Knight decades after Knight’s philosophy went out the window and without Knight’s resume. 

It’s almost sounds like you are guaranteeing a win if those 5 play no?

[RaceToTheTop 31,480]

1 minute ago, IU - Kaulie said:

It’s almost sounds like you are guaranteeing a win if those 5 play no?

Not only that, he is suggesting that Woody chose to suspend them in a 'winnable road game'......as if it were against a different opponent, he should have made a different decision.

[Hoosierfan2017 25,093]

2 minutes ago, IU - Kaulie said:

It’s almost sounds like you are guaranteeing a win if those 5 play no?

There are few guarantees in college basketball, but playing a six-man rotation and playing 5 of those 6 players 34+ minutes will certainly decrease your odds of winning. Anthony Leal averages 11 mpg when he actually plays, and he doesn't always play. In his previous 4 appearances he played 5 minutes, 1 minute, 1 minute, and 3 minutes. He played 34 minutes against Northwestern. Northwestern is not a good team. We were beating them until our players became gassed. I absolutely think we win with those 5 players available. 

[Hoosierfan2017 25,093]

13 minutes ago, IU Scott said:

I just can't believe there are people who is questioning punishing these players.  Kind of worries me because this society is going downhill because people are not accountable for their actions.  I had to go to the office a couple of times in 4th grade and the second time got a paddle.  That was the last time I ever had to go to the principal office.  Did I Like getting paddled, no but I learned from it.

Maybe Woody should bring out the paddle if he really wants the players to listen then. 

[MikeRoberts 7,997]

20 minutes ago, IU - Kaulie said:

I’m not sure what you keep trying to get at here.  CMW has already suspended Parker twice and has reduced his minutes and took away his starters spot (which is a huge deal to a player).  He also got in his face for all to see after his skirmish with Davison.  What do you want him to do?  Kick him off the team because he struggles at basketball?  CMW didn’t recruit him.

What if we looked at the facts? Parker Stewart is averaging MORE minutes per game since his second suspension than prior.

that’s what I’m getting at!!!

[RaceToTheTop 31,480]

I was as pissed as anybody at the Northwestern loss.  I just can't believe we have people blaming the coach and not the five players for that.  There are certain things that makes sense to complain about in terms of coaching but I can't understand how that one falls in the category.  

[Alford Bailey 13,233]

21 minutes ago, brumdog45 said:

I was as pissed as anybody at the Northwestern loss.  I just can't believe we have people blaming the coach and not the five players for that.  There are certain things that makes sense to complain about in terms of coaching but I can't understand how that one falls in the category.  

Agree!

[Hovadipo 61,710]

If you look at “breaking curfew” in a vacuum, it isn’t that big of a deal. If you look at it in the scope of doing that on the road (basically the ONE RULE you can’t break on the road, if you’ve ever traveled with a team) the night before a game…there’s just something so profoundly stupid and selfish about it. Even if they weren’t out doing anything “bad”, it’s just dumb. 
 

I don’t even know how I feel about the suspension. I hope that’s ok. I just wanted to again point out how absolutely asinine it was for those 5 to do that and if you want to look at that being the game that tanked the season, it’s still their fault and their fault alone. 

[Golfman25 6,833]

59 minutes ago, brumdog45 said:

Cool.  The effort police here to say who has it.

Right. WTF is effort?  How do you know?   It’s subjective. 

[MikeRoberts 7,997]

46 minutes ago, IU Scott said:

For most people there are more important things than just wins or losses.  If suspending these players change the culture around IU basketball then it will be worth it.  I hope it shows that stupidity and terrible decision making will not be tolerated at IU.

That’s the argument that we are all making that you and others keep missing!

If you are going to lay down the law, lay down the f’ing law! Players did not respond to that mass 1 game, season crushing suspension at all. and why should they? 

It’s back to business as usual, Those players that were in trouble are playing more minutes in some cases than prior and not only getting in trouble off the court but playing terrible, lazy ball on the court.

what was the point of the suspension if we allow the inmates to return to running the asylum and then some?

when we have culture issues in year 4 we can look back at inconsistencies and poor decisions

[Golfman25 6,833]

1 hour ago, MikeRoberts said:

That literally makes zero sense. 
 

it’s the body of work and our body of work was good enough going into that game and has not been since. The players did not respond at all to woody’s laying down the law and have in fact regressed to the point we are headed towards not making the tourney.

hard to tell if you are serious sometimes 

Why because we lost to two ranked teams?   What team in our position has played as many ranked opponents?

[MikeRoberts 7,997]

53 minutes ago, brumdog45 said:

I've criticized Stewart.  A LOT.  Guess you only read what you want to.  AND I've said Woodson shouldn't be giving him the minutes he plays.

Dude, I'm done with you.

That’s fine, be done but if you are admitting to the above, then why the bashing of other posters that are saying exactly that? 
 

that’s THE argument - Stewart doesn’t play hard yet plays a ton. Stewart gets in trouble but plays a ton. After a while that no longer becomes a Stewart thing, that becomes a coaching and culture thing.

it sets a bad tone

[Golfman25 6,833]

1 hour ago, IU Scott said:

I just can't believe there are people who is questioning punishing these players.  Kind of worries me because this society is going downhill because people are not accountable for their actions.  I had to go to the office a couple of times in 4th grade and the second time got a paddle.  That was the last time I ever had to go to the principal office.  Did I Like getting paddled, no but I learned from it.

Come on.   There are people here who want us to give players bags of cash.  

[IU - Kaulie 2,101]

15 minutes ago, Hovadipo said:

If you look at “breaking curfew” in a vacuum, it isn’t that big of a deal. If you look at it in the scope of doing that on the road (basically the ONE RULE you can’t break on the road, if you’ve ever traveled with a team) the night before a game…there’s just something so profoundly stupid and selfish about it. Even if they weren’t out doing anything “bad”, it’s just dumb. 
 

I don’t even know how I feel about the suspension. I hope that’s ok. I just wanted to again point out how absolutely asinine it was for those 5 to do that and if you want to look at that being the game that tanked the season, it’s still their fault and their fault alone. 

The bottom line for me is that the players knew what the rule was and they knew the consequences for breaking the rule (suspension).  The players are 100% at fault here and their teammates should have been pretty upset about it.

[Golfman25 6,833]

56 minutes ago, brumdog45 said:

Not only that, he is suggesting that Woody chose to suspend them in a 'winnable road game'......as if it were against a different opponent, he should have made a different decision.

The sad part is Northwestern is only “winnable.”   I remember the days when it was automatic.   

[RaceToTheTop 31,480]

1 minute ago, MikeRoberts said:

That’s fine, be done but if you are admitting to the above, then why the bashing of other posters that are saying exactly that? 
 

that’s THE argument - Stewart doesn’t play hard yet plays a ton. Stewart gets in trouble but plays a ton. After a while that no longer becomes a Stewart thing, that becomes a coaching and culture thing.

it sets a bad tone

What I'm bashing is the thought that we shouldn't have sat players who broke team rules.  If I mixed your thoughts on that with another posters, I apologize.

Question for you:  do you think we should not have suspended players because 'it was a winnable road game'?

[MikeRoberts 7,997]

18 minutes ago, Hovadipo said:

If you look at “breaking curfew” in a vacuum, it isn’t that big of a deal. If you look at it in the scope of doing that on the road (basically the ONE RULE you can’t break on the road, if you’ve ever traveled with a team) the night before a game…there’s just something so profoundly stupid and selfish about it. Even if they weren’t out doing anything “bad”, it’s just dumb. 
 

I don’t even know how I feel about the suspension. I hope that’s ok. I just wanted to again point out how absolutely asinine it was for those 5 to do that and if you want to look at that being the game that tanked the season, it’s still their fault and their fault alone. 

I was quick to agree that it was a dumb move by the players and shows how much they care about this team and season. That’s on them.

what doesn’t make sense to me and I haven’t heard a rationale explanation is “why did we return to normalcy thereafter? That was Stewart’s second suspension this season. Why is he playing more minutes now?

please, before anyone try’s to make up a case that people are trying to say that it wasn’t the kids fault, why are the adults allowing this to continue?

what was the point of that big move, a move that was a second violation for some if they end up getting more PT? I don’t get it

[Golfman25 6,833]

21 minutes ago, Hovadipo said:

If you look at “breaking curfew” in a vacuum, it isn’t that big of a deal. If you look at it in the scope of doing that on the road (basically the ONE RULE you can’t break on the road, if you’ve ever traveled with a team) the night before a game…there’s just something so profoundly stupid and selfish about it. Even if they weren’t out doing anything “bad”, it’s just dumb. 
 

I don’t even know how I feel about the suspension. I hope that’s ok. I just wanted to again point out how absolutely asinine it was for those 5 to do that and if you want to look at that being the game that tanked the season, it’s still their fault and their fault alone. 

We have to get to the point where you don’t even need a curfew rule.  Players who take the game with the seriousness it requires.