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[IU - Kaulie 1,930]

16 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Getting it versus having the skill set to be a starter on a top 10-15 roster aren’t mutually exclusive.

Don’t get me wrong, I enjoy him over Kopp and Stewart. But some schools are playing Jaden Ivey types at the 2.


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Yeah and some schools are playing Kofi types at the 5.  
 

If he is starting and playing 30 minutes I’m good.  He brings a lot to the table and he is improving.  He has earned those minutes so kudos to CMW for rewarding him.  CMW has also said he has been phenomenal.  We need a player like Trey Galloway and he will continue to get better.  

[HoosierAloha 30,077]

5 minutes ago, IUFAN1976 said:

He isn’t a 4 either.   Most 4’s can hit outside shots, TJD can’t.  He isn’t good up close either, unless he is dunking the ball.  I like TJD, he is a Hoosier but think once he is gone, our offense will be much better and less predictable!

Okay, let's think this through.

TJD leaves and we replace him with... Durr? Duncomb?

We then have perimeter players who can't shoot (P Stew gone) and aren't really beating anyone off the dribble (X does sometimes, Gallo is probably the next most consistent player.)

What is our offense?

Teams can press up without fear of really getting beat and if they do who is the big or big wing that is going to make them pay in the lane?

Teams sag off because we can't shoot and we don't have anyone in the paint that can score.

We lack a dynamic approach because of the scheme. Losing a post is going to somehow make us more dynamic, changing the scheme and attacking from multiple levels will make us a more dynamic offense. It's too late in the season to make drastic changes but you'd think a good coach could get a little movement when the ball goes into the post.

 

[DChoosier 8,928]

34% from the field

24% from the three

59% from the “charity” stripe (number is actually worse when you consider the three or so times we missed the front end of a one and one).

We have plenty of issues on offense to discuss, in regards to how to get guys open/run sets etc, but our inability to just hit some shots is debilitating. In spite of our lack of movement, etc we still had a bunch of wide open shots that didn’t have a chance of going in. It’s very difficult to win with the above poor percentages and is baffling that Indiana can’t land some shooters.

[Joe_hoopsier 977]

Damn, nearly a decade since we've "won"-ish and that was with a coach that we couldn't stand his style. Hard to believe how many of us are still on message boards. There is some serious bad JU JU on this program. May I offer a piss on Myles Brand's grave seance to TOTALLY PISS ON this mess? It may not change anything but I'd feel better. @#ck MylesBrand!  

[Golfman25 5,905]

2 hours ago, HoosierAloha said:

Who is the heart of this team? Who is the leader on this team? Who is the player on this team that refuses to lose? Where is the chemistry?

Those teams had those things. This team lacks all of that.

It hasn’t even been 12 months.  

[HoosierAloha 30,077]

9 minutes ago, IU - Kaulie said:

Yeah and some schools are playing Kofi types at the 5.  
 

If he is starting and playing 30 minutes I’m good.  He brings a lot to the table and he is improving.  He has earned those minutes so kudos to CMW for rewarding him.  CMW has also said he has been phenomenal.  We need a player like Trey Galloway and he will continue to get better.  

Gallo compared to other options we have isn't really a question. The problem is it's such night and day because he cuts, makes quicker decisions, assists, and beats his defender with angles. The bigger issue is if we're going to compete in the Big 1.o or at a national level we have to upgrade that position with someone who does what Gallo does AND shoots at a high level while being able to go get a bucket when needed. That's not a knock on Gallo it's just not in his game.

Where would he rank among wings in the Big 1.o? Would he be in the top 15 of wing players in the conference? (not in looks, in production)

[HoosierAloha 30,077]

5 minutes ago, Joe_hoopsier said:

Damn, nearly a decade since we've "won"-ish and that was with a coach that we couldn't stand his style. Hard to believe how many of us are still on message boards. There is some serious bad JU JU on this program. May I offer a piss on Myles Brand's grave seance to TOTALLY PISS ON this mess? It may not change anything but I'd feel better. @#ck MylesBrand!  

[Golfman25 5,905]

2 hours ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Every good team needs quality role players. But you’re not getting anywhere with just role players. Will Sheehey was a great role player on the two sweet 16 teams. Then in 2014 we saw what he was when he wasn’t surrounded with talent. Oladipo and Zeller were the engines that drove those teams. The 2016 team had great role players like Zeisloft and Biedfelt (I probably butchered those names), but Yogi/Bryant/Troy drove that team. Right now we have some guys who could be quality role players but we don’t have the horses. 

Sorry but our role players aren’t IU guys.  Yet.  It’s a work in progress. No offense but most of you young fellas don’t know true IU basketball.  

[HoosierAloha 30,077]

3 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

It hasn’t even been 12 months.  

Has it been long enough that we can expect consistent e and e?

[Southside 1,914]

26 minutes ago, IUFAN1976 said:

He isn’t a 4 either.   Most 4’s can hit outside shots, TJD can’t.  He isn’t good up close either, unless he is dunking the ball.  I like TJD, he is a Hoosier but think once he is gone, our offense will be much better and less predictable!

He's good, very good, just forced to develop and play based purely on our lack of talent in places lol... 

Classic tweener. Had we had a true and established 5 when he got here, I think things might be different for him. He may have been brought along more slowly..... It is what it is though. 

Not sure we'll be much better once he's gone though. If we can find better outside shooters, then yes, maybe. Right now our outside shooting sucks. We have zero go-to guys on O except for TJD. That's not his fault. And those guys don't necessarily get better when he leaves lol.  

[Hoosierfan2017 22,253]

32 minutes ago, IU - Kaulie said:

Yeah and some schools are playing Kofi types at the 5.  
 

If he is starting and playing 30 minutes I’m good.  He brings a lot to the table and he is improving.  He has earned those minutes so kudos to CMW for rewarding him.  CMW has also said he has been phenomenal.  We need a player like Trey Galloway and he will continue to get better.  

He played 32 minutes, shot 0-6 from the field, and scored 1 point today. Championship contenders aren’t playing him 30 mpg. 

[HoosierAloha 30,077]

[MikeRoberts 7,353]

4 minutes ago, Southside said:

He's good, very good, just forced to develop and play based purely on our lack of talent in places lol... 

Classic tweener. Had we had a true and established 5 when he got here, I think things might be different for him. He may have been brought along more slowly..... It is what it is though. 

Not sure we'll be much better once he's gone though. If we can find better outside shooters, then yes, maybe. Right now our outside shooting sucks. We have zero go-to guys on O except for TJD. That's not his fault. And those guys don't necessarily get better when he leaves lol.  

We will continue to struggle shooting as long as we continue to play this style of offense. The offense consists of one guy trying to get it inside AMD the other 4 standing and watching. 
 

it’s putrid, Archie level stuff.

[Joe_hoopsier 977]

10 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

[Golfman25 5,905]

10 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

Has it been long enough that we can expect consistent e and e?

Nope.  Some guys have motors and attitudes.   Some don’t. 

[HoosierAloha 30,077]

1 minute ago, Golfman25 said:

Nope.  Some guys have motors and attitudes.   Some don’t. 

Should we just keep playing them so we really drive home the point that it's okay if you give e and e?

Should we wait 3 years, 4 years? Just wait until it finally happens?

Should we just throw the whole squad into the transfer portal and grab a new one?

Would those guys be IU guys?

 

[IU - Kaulie 1,930]

4 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

He played 32 minutes, shot 0-6 from the field, and scored 1 point today. 

He also played tough on defense.  How many turnovers did he have because he had to play point because we have zero options (KL is not an option).  I’ll wait.  How many good passes did he make?  I’ll wait.  He looked a whole lot better than the guy he just replaced in the starting lineup.

[Alford Bailey 12,425]

1 hour ago, IU - Kaulie said:

Nope.  He didn’t have his best game but this kid gets it.  Him starting and playing 30 minutes is right where he should be.

If he continues to see these minutes it because we continue to not be good. Dude absolutely cannot shoot. He is an energy guy off the bench on a good team.

[Hovadipo 57,426]

23 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

Sorry but our role players aren’t IU guys.  Yet.  It’s a work in progress. No offense but most of you young fellas don’t know true IU basketball.  

Idk I feel like the “true IU basketball” thing is far enough gone (like 30 years?) to no longer be relevant. Our history definitely matters and it’s fun to relish in and dump on Purdue with, but how we got there doesn’t matter in 2022.

Young people know what good, modern basketball looks like and we’ve played it two or three times since most of us (the younger folks) were born. That’s the issue. 

[Hoosierfan2017 22,253]

12 minutes ago, IU - Kaulie said:

He also played tough on defense.  How many turnovers did he have because he had to play point because we have zero options (KL is not an option).  I’ll wait.  How many good passes did he make?  I’ll wait.  He looked a whole lot better than the guy he just replaced in the starting lineup.

Galloway got the opportunity to start that you’ve been clamoring for and he played really poorly. Missed all six of his shots. They really weren’t even close. Wasn’t paying enough attention to see if his form looked pretty, though. He’s a player, especially at this point, that you want playing 15-20 minutes of energy a game off the bench. If he’s playing 30+ mpg you’re in trouble. He’s not that guy.