2022-2023 IUBB Roster Projection

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3 minutes ago, PB1230 said:

I think the point is that all the stats you cite would drop substantially if JG gets moved out of the post. 

Also, for all of JG's athleticism, he actually doesn't great lateral quickness or footwork which hurt him when guarding on the perimeter

He doesn't close out well. I do think that will improve, has to stop relying on his athleticism so much in those instances, though. 

[Alford Bailey]

According to ESPN we have the top 2 recruits coming to the B1G next year with JHS and MR.

[HoosierHoopster]

35 minutes ago, btownqb said:

So, all of that just told me he played solid at the 4.... he just struggled with foul trouble a little, having two really good players in front of him, and there were games (Syracuse being the most notable) he flat out could not play in for whatever reason. He was absolutely a walking TO in that game and it was as if he had never touched a ball vs. a zone defense before. All of that led to him not getting as many mins as he probably had hoped. 

I see very little difference in Smith and JG's games on the offensive end, other than JG has a better-looking shot. Defensively, JG just isn't in the same sentence as JS. I have a hard time seeing any OG in his game, OG was just immensely better than JG at this point in time. 

I don't really see any sort of an advantage that JG could create on the perimeter at this point in time because he hasn't shown even the remote resemblance of a perimeter game... on the offensive or defensive end. Blocks shots and dunks well though. 

Nice, we see things completely differently. 

[HoosierHoopster]

31 minutes ago, PB1230 said:

I think the point is that all the stats you cite would drop substantially if JG gets moved out of the post. 

Also, for all of JG's athleticism, he actually doesn't great lateral quickness or footwork which hurt him when guarding on the perimeter

Yeah, I don't buy it. His usage numbers, completely ignored, are already there.

[HoosierFan1994]

If Trayce Jackson-Davis does come back, I think Indiana has to be the unanimous favorite to win the Big Ten. As far as talent goes, no other team will really come close other than Michigan. That doesn't mean anything at the end of the day. But still, lots of excitement building up. Even if he doesn't come back, I think they'll be one of a few teams that can win it. 

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37 minutes ago, btownqb said:

So, all of that just told me he played solid at the 4.... he just struggled with foul trouble a little, having two really good players in front of him, and there were games (Syracuse being the most notable) he flat out could not play in for whatever reason. He was absolutely a walking TO in that game and it was as if he had never touched a ball vs. a zone defense before. All of that led to him not getting as many mins as he probably had hoped. 

I see very little difference in Smith and JG's games on the offensive end, other than JG has a better-looking shot. Defensively, JG just isn't in the same sentence as JS. I have a hard time seeing any OG in his game, OG was just immensely better than JG at this point in time. 

I don't really see any sort of an advantage that JG could create on the perimeter at this point in time because he hasn't shown even the remote resemblance of a perimeter game... on the offensive or defensive end. Blocks shots and dunks well though. 

JG definitely showed a midrange game as well 

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Just now, jk34 said:

JG definitely showed a midrange game as well 

Which, I don't really see how that could translate to a 3, but I agree. 

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Just now, btownqb said:

Which, I don't really see how that could translate to a 3, but I agree. 

He already showed an outside shot, the point made is that he has both, not one or the other, and Smith had neither. They aren't remotely the same player.

[Stuhoo]

5 minutes ago, HoosierHoopster said:

Nice, we see things completely differently. 

I'm with HoosierHoopster on this one.

I get that JG is mistake prone on defense, but when he's on the court the other teams' offense gets...nervous. Shooters are worried about standard jump shots being blocked or altered, and players who want to finish at the rim see JG swatting their sheet.

That is a big deal -- he's so friggin disruptive.

On offense? His mid-range game is already pretty decent, his form on catch and shoot is decent too, and his ability to offensive rebound and extend possessions is incredible.

He needs to be, as HoosierHoopster said, an optimist that sees his ballhandling and defensive mistake weaknesses as opportunities. Our team is so much more dangerous if he  can do that. 

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7 minutes ago, HoosierHoopster said:

He already showed an outside shot, the point made is that he has both, not one or the other, and Smith had neither. They aren't remotely the same player.

I agree, JS is an immensely better defender. He has made 13 3s at the college level. They are both incredibly limited offensively, outside of Oreb. 

JG 9-29 from 3

JS 7-32 from 3

both as SO

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11 minutes ago, btownqb said:

Which, I don't really see how that could translate to a 3, but I agree. 

It means not only is his 3 ball improving but when the defense closes out hard, he has the ability to step in and confidently hit the mid range shot. That’s a 3

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Just now, MikeRoberts said:

It means not only is his 3 ball improving but when the defense closes out hard, he has the ability to step in and confidently hit the mod range shot. That’s a 3

Not really. If you play on the wing in 2022 you should be able to distribute and close out better than he does. 

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3 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

I'm with HoosierHoopster on this one.

I get that JG is mistake prone on defense, but when he's on the court the other teams' offense gets...nervous. Shooters are worried about standard jump shots being blocked or altered, and players who want to finish at the rim see JG swatting their sheet.

That is a big deal -- he's so friggin disruptive.

On offense? His mid-range game is already pretty decent, his form on catch and shoot is decent too, and his ability to offensive rebound and extend possessions is incredible.

He needs to be, as HoosierHoopster said, an optimist that sees his ballhandling and defensive mistake weaknesses as opportunities. Our team is so much more dangerous if he  can do that. 

I agree with all of this, actually. He fouls too many jumpshooters, but that can be corrected. I think he is an immensely bigger asset and mistmatch at the 4, than he ever would be at the 3. 

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5 minutes ago, btownqb said:

Not really. If you play on the wing in 2022 you should be able to distribute and close out better than he does. 

Like Kopp?

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Just now, MikeRoberts said:

Like Kopp?

Kopp closes out very well, actually. And Miller had 32 assists this year, JG had 9. Neither can pass, Miller just passes a little better. 

[RaceToTheTop]

1 hour ago, btownqb said:

 

I don't really see any sort of an advantage that JG could create on the perimeter at this point in time because he hasn't shown even the remote resemblance of a perimeter game... on the offensive or defensive end. Blocks shots and dunks well though. 

Sorry, but that's flat out incorrect.  JG shot 46% on mid range jumpers and 31% from three.  46% on mid range jumpers (two point shots outside of the lane) lead the team.  31% from three isn't great but saying he has 'no resemblance of a perimeter game' is patently false.

[RaceToTheTop]

1 hour ago, btownqb said:

Which, I don't really see how that could translate to a 3, but I agree. 

You seriously don't see how a midrange game translates to a 3?????

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2 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

Sorry, but that's flat out incorrect.  JG shot 46% on mid range jumpers and 31% from three.  46% on mid range jumpers (two point shots outside of the lane) lead the team.  31% from three isn't great but saying he has 'no resemblance of a perimeter game' is patently false.

He hit 9 3s all year long. You can use %s all you want, but he has hit 13s at the college level. 

You also understand there is way more to the perimeter game than his shooting %. He doesn't distribute or create, and he doesn't defend well on the perimeter, so.... yeah, he hasn't shown much of a perimeter game, at all. 

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2 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

You seriously don't see how a midrange game translates to a 3?????

To the 3 position. Idk how him having the marginal ability to hit some mid range shots, makes him a wing. It doesn't. It makes him exactly what he is... an undersized 4. 

[HoosierHoopster]

1 hour ago, btownqb said:

I agree with all of this, actually. He fouls too many jumpshooters, but that can be corrected. I think he is an immensely bigger asset and mistmatch at the 4, than he ever would be at the 3. 

This is a good point that I think is also getting overlooked in this discussion. 

While the point is made that he has been played at the 4 not the 3 therefore he isn't/can't play on the wing (with which I wholeheartedly disagree), the flip side of that argument, with which I agree, is that he is an already very good and improving 4 who can be absolutely dominant -- and the question there, which I think the staff considers, is not who else can play on the wing, but who can play JG's current role when Race sits? JG is right there with TJD in rebounding and shot blocking (he actually leads per 40 in boards). So who fills the 4 role on significant minutes if JG is on the wing while Race sits? That, to me, is why he hasn't been played more on the wing, not because he doesn't have the ability.