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[Uspshoosier 45,601]

6 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

What has TJD improved since the beginning of the season? Ditto for Race and Leal? TJD is the same player he was last season. He's not rebounding nearly enough for his abilities. His FG% in Big 1.o games is nothing to be bragging about. The crazy thing about that is our conference opponents haven't been that great. Crazy!

This team has wayyyyyyy more issues than just "X figuring it out."

We did drop our turnovers against PSU. Improvement! We've hit a better % from deep against inferior competition. That's not going to work in the Big 1.o when defenders aren't leaving the 1 or 2 shooters we have and we refuse to run good sets for those shooters.

Crazy the margin of error between winning and losing in college basketball.    IU basically has played 5 teams with a pulse. 4 away from home and 1 at home.  Even with all the problems IU has had this year they had the ball and a chance to win everyone of those games in the last minute.  Got to learn how to win ugly and win when you are not playing your best.  Season starts Thursday.  2 Top 32 teams at home coming up.  Hopefully they protect home court 

[RaceToTheTop 25,616]

6 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

What has TJD improved since the beginning of the season? Ditto for Race and Leal? TJD is the same player he was last season. He's not rebounding nearly enough for his abilities. His FG% in Big 1.o games is nothing to be bragging about. The crazy thing about that is our conference opponents haven't been that great. Crazy!

This team has wayyyyyyy more issues than just "X figuring it out."

We did drop our turnovers against PSU. Improvement! We've hit a better % from deep against inferior competition. That's not going to work in the Big 1.o when defenders aren't leaving the 1 or 2 shooters we have and we refuse to run good sets for those shooters.

If you think TJD is the same player on defense as he was last year, I don't know what to say.  And he's doing it without fouling.

[kreigh8 2,043]

Just now, Uspshoosier said:

Crazy the margin of error between winning and losing in college basketball.    IU basically has played 5 teams with a pulse. 4 away from home and 1 at home.  Even with all the problems IU has had this year they had the ball and a chance to win everyone of those games in the last minute.  Got to learn how to win ugly and win when you are not playing your best.  Season starts Thursday.  2 Top 32 teams at home coming up.  Hopefully they protect home court 

Thought about this today and had this run across my mind when thinking about those who want Lander in. Would IU have been able to keep the score as close as it was if Lander was in. We've seen his defensive inefficiencies already and have a hunch that's the main factor for him not seeing the floor. I've yet to see him really prove that offensively he'd be an upgrade over Phin or X - so with him in do we have a chance to win at the end of the game? Only something you can think of or run through a simulator of sorts, but something I thought of and pondered on a slow Monday after a frustrating loss. My hunch is we'd give up far more drives to the basket and would need more buckets to make up the difference which we struggle to get.

[HoosierAloha 30,068]

8 minutes ago, brumdog45 said:

If you think TJD is the same player on defense as he was last year, I don't know what to say.  And he's doing it without fouling.

He has played better defense. Let's see if he stays out of foul trouble as we progress in the Big 1.o. Our guards/wings struggle to keep their man in front of them. TJD has done a much better job defending without fouling, hopefully that continues.

Edit: I take some of that back with the lack of awareness on high-ball screens. Cuse feasted on that and PSU had a good run with that too. Definitely better on defense but still tons of room for improvement. TJD, individually, isn't this teams program though.

[RaceToTheTop 25,616]

43 minutes ago, IU Scott said:

You mean the offense that has scored 11 points in 10 minutes

Yeah, people pick some strange times to be envious.  Purdue's offense is world's ahead of ours, but so far tonight it's been very bad.  Wisky's 1 of 12 from three yet is up 29-24 at halftime AT Purdue.

[HoosierAloha 30,068]

7 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Crazy the margin of error between winning and losing in college basketball.    IU basically has played 5 teams with a pulse. 4 away from home and 1 at home.  Even with all the problems IU has had this year they had the ball and a chance to win everyone of those games in the last minute.  Got to learn how to win ugly and win when you are not playing your best.  Season starts Thursday.  2 Top 32 teams at home coming up.  Hopefully they protect home court 

Take care of the basics first then start worrying about winning when not playing your best. I'm afraid the team has basically taken the attitude that the "season starts ..." I'm looking forward to the pregame "pep" talk to see what we'll struggle with.

[Uspshoosier 45,601]

Just now, HoosierAloha said:

Take care of the basics first then start worrying about winning when not playing your best. I'm afraid the team has basically taken the attitude that the "season starts ..." I'm looking forward to the pregame "pep" talk to see what we'll struggle with.

Take care of the basics like Wisky does. 

[RaceToTheTop 25,616]

Just now, HoosierAloha said:

He has played better defense. Let's see if he stays out of foul trouble as we progress in the Big 1.o. Our guards/wings struggle to keep their man in front of them. TJD has done a much better job defending without fouling, hopefully that continues.

If he can, he widens his path to the NBA.  Even with the increase on desire for outside shooting, guys who are long defenders and can hold their own offensively have a space on an NBA roster.  

[HoosierAloha 30,068]

Just now, Uspshoosier said:

Take care of the basics like Wisky does. 

Cutout the tackle part of Wiscy and I would agree. They do a great job playing within the Big 1.o rules.

[Uspshoosier 45,601]

6 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

He has played better defense. Let's see if he stays out of foul trouble as we progress in the Big 1.o. Our guards/wings struggle to keep their man in front of them. TJD has done a much better job defending without fouling, hopefully that continues.

Most of his improvement on defense is has to do with change in defensive philosophy in my opinion.   Packline he wasn’t asked to come help side and protect the rim.   Now he is able to roam free and hunt blocks 

[RaceToTheTop 25,616]

Just now, Uspshoosier said:

Take care of the basics like Wisky does. 

Except without Bruce Davison basically kicking in the nuts and elbowing you in the jaw.

[HoosierAloha 30,068]

4 minutes ago, brumdog45 said:

If he can, he widens his path to the NBA.  Even with the increase on desire for outside shooting, guys who are long defenders and can hold their own offensively have a space on an NBA roster.  

I'm not going to bash TJD. I think he's a really good dude and has stuck it out with IU when he didn't have to.. I struggle to see him getting more than a sip of coffee in the NBA. The things he does well don't translate to the NBA. The things he struggles with will be even wider.

[MikeRoberts 6,998]

21 minutes ago, brumdog45 said:

Yeah, people pick some strange times to be envious.  Purdue's offense is world's ahead of ours, but so far tonight it's been very bad.  Wisky's 1 of 12 from three yet is up 29-24 at halftime AT Purdue.

Are you not envious of their offense? Their motion, creativity, depth? They are leagues better on offense than IU and no 5 minute stretch or one game will change that this season. I hate Purdue but nobody can argue they aren’t well positioned on offense.

also, they have worn Wisconsin down, they are about to play walk-ons as all their bigs have 4 fouls with 12 minutes to play.

[Uspshoosier 45,601]

17 minutes ago, MikeRoberts said:

Are you not envious of their offense? Their motion, creativity, depth? They are leagues better on offense than IU and no 5 minute stretch or one game will change that this season. I hate Purdue but nobody can argue they aren’t well positioned on offense.

also, they have worn Wisconsin down, they are about to play walk-ons as all their bigs have 4 fouls with 12 minutes to play.

They have the number 1 rated offense on Ken Pom.  A note on their offense.  Painter asked his newest assistant who came from NBA they he wanted an offense that was hard to guard and nothing like what’s in college today.  Most colleges use a ball screen up top to start the offense and he wanted something different.  He got his wish.   Their offense is really fun to watch 

[Uspshoosier 45,601]

22 minutes ago, MikeRoberts said:

Are you not envious of their offense? Their motion, creativity, depth? They are leagues better on offense than IU and no 5 minute stretch or one game will change that this season. I hate Purdue but nobody can argue they aren’t well positioned on offense.

also, they have worn Wisconsin down, they are about to play walk-ons as all their bigs have 4 fouls with 12 minutes to play.

 

[IUFAN1976 3,064]

2 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

They have the number 1 rated offense on Ken Pom.  A note on their offense.  Painter asked his newest assistant who came from NBA they he wanted an offense that was hard to guard and nothing like what’s in college today.  Most colleges use a ball screen up top to start the offense and he wanted something different.  He got his wish.   Their offense is really fun to watch 

Their offense reminds me of IU back in the 80’s & 90’s.  Constant motion!  I’m really surprised CMW isn’t running a similar offense 

[IUFAN1976 3,064]

1 hour ago, HoosierAloha said:

What has TJD improved since the beginning of the season? Ditto for Race and Leal? TJD is the same player he was last season. He's not rebounding nearly enough for his abilities. His FG% in Big 1.o games is nothing to be bragging about. The crazy thing about that is our conference opponents haven't been that great. Crazy!

This team has wayyyyyyy more issues than just "X figuring it out."

We did drop our turnovers against PSU. Improvement! We've hit a better % from deep against inferior competition. That's not going to work in the Big 1.o when defenders aren't leaving the 1 or 2 shooters we have and we refuse to run good sets for those shooters.

He’s a few outside shots, albeit, not consistent but still they are outside 3 feet. He’s going right a little more but still not shooting with his right hand, which concerns me.  

Race is rebounding more, handling the ball more and has hit a few 3’s.  Also, I think his free % has increased since the beginning of the year.

Leak’s defense has

[str8baller 5,214]

2 hours ago, MikeRoberts said:

Envious watching the motion in Purdue’s offfense. Nothing but screening, cutting, curling, flashing and nobody is holding onto the ball for more than a second or two.

 

our offense is soooo stagnant and boring

 

1 hour ago, MikeRoberts said:

Are you not envious of their offense? Their motion, creativity, depth? They are leagues better on offense than IU and no 5 minute stretch or one game will change that this season. I hate Purdue but nobody can argue they aren’t well positioned on offense.

also, they have worn Wisconsin down, they are about to play walk-ons as all their bigs have 4 fouls with 12 minutes to play.

Just bad timing to be talking up Purdue. Lol

 

 you’re right that their offense is generally in good shape. but their guards played like crap down the stretch tonight and painter was left with nothing but spamming edy over the undersized forwards from Wisky.   
 

Bottom line is Wisconsin got great play from their guards and Purdue didn’t. Sometimes it happens. Unless your like Aloha and think it was Purdue letting Davis get into a rhythm or something, you can’t always control for player variance or hot nights (or vice versa) like that. 
 

it’s premature to give a verdict on Woody now. I heard all about how Archie and Crean were “grand slams” before they ever coached a game here. Still waiting for either one of them to run motion. Sampson’s offense was and is horrid. Davis had orlando-1. We haven’t seen motion offense here for two decades. I wouldn’t hold my breathe over the next two decades. 

[HoosierAloha 30,068]

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What are they doing on offense when they don’t have the ball?! That’s weird.


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This is a dagger to my heart. Woodson has spent too much time in NBA offense. If we have the superior pieces it’ll eventually work. Can we get the superior pieces.


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