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[Stuhoo 81,071]

Just now, Home Jersey said:

Lord I would hope so. As Kentuckysucks pointed out Woody would need a pay day but that does not seem to be a barrier whatsoever the way buyouts are structured.

It also would not be a problem because Dusty May's buyout is so, so low, and because Dusty May would make the same, or potentially a little less than Woody. 

[Home Jersey 7,715]

3 minutes ago, IndyResident16 said:

I'm sure he'd be (unfortunately) the #1 candidate.

This thread would reach 1500 pages as we'd simply be looking for another coach in 2027/2028

If that scenario happened Dusty would have a F4 and a S16 under his belt compared to one E8 and runner up appearance from another "preferred" candidate

[Stuhoo 81,071]

IF Woody were to go, I have two criteria for the next coach:

1. Someone who is from the State of Indiana.
2. Someone who is currently 47 years old.

I count at least three candidates who fit my criteria!      :)

[realTomCrean 1,540]

1 minute ago, Stuhoo said:

It also would not be a problem because Dusty May's buyout is so, so low, and because Dusty May would make the same, or potentially a little less than Woody. 

I'd love hearing of May (or any coach) taking a lesser guarantee and having a heavily incentivized contract that rewards winning (20 games, B1G, BTT, S16, FF, etc) 

[IndyResident16 567]

1 minute ago, Home Jersey said:

If that scenario happened Dusty would have a F4 and a S16 under his belt compared to one E8 from another "preferred" candidate

We forgetting Chris Beard lost in the national championship game in overtime?

[Home Jersey 7,715]

1 minute ago, IndyResident16 said:

We forgetting Chris Beard lost in the national championship game in overtime?

I did forget he lost in the championship at one of his many recent stops. So a F4 and S16 v runner up and E8... neither screams Archie Miller to me. But I agree Dusty needs to show more before we go all in on him 

[Stuhoo 81,071]

2 minutes ago, IndyResident16 said:

We forgetting Chris Beard lost in the national championship game in overtime?

Wait ... you're a fan of hiring Chris Beard? Geez, I didn't realize that.

;)

[IndyResident16 567]

2 minutes ago, Home Jersey said:

I did forget he lost in the championship at one of his many recent stops. So a F4 and S16 v runner up and E8... neither screams Archie Miller to me. But I agree Dusty needs to show more before we go all in on him 

Dusty May has had 1, possibly 2 successful years at a mid-major depending on how this year plays out. Chris Beard has taken 3 different P5 programs to the tournament and done it in a 4 year period.

There's zero comparison between the two. One is widely considered to be the best coach in college basketball while the other is a hot up and comer who may or may not make it at the next level when given a chance. 

[IndyResident16 567]

3 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

Wait ... you're a fan of hiring Chris Beard? Geez, I didn't realize that.

;)

I'm a fan of common sense. There's two hires that suggests IU is serious about winning.

1. Chris Beard

2. Bruce Pearl

Anything else is taking the lazy way out and the definition of insanity. 

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich 8,691]

My dream list I guess if that's what you wanna call it... For now..

1. Tommy Lloyd

2. Scott Drew

3. Chris Beard

4. Billy Donovan

5. Dusty May

6. Steve Alford

[IndyResident16 567]

2 minutes ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

My dream list I guess if that's what you wanna call it... For now..

1. Tommy Lloyd

2. Scott Drew

3. Chris Beard

4. Billy Donovan

5. Dusty May

6. Steve Alford

I like Scott Drew but there's an irreparable relationship with Indiana Elite who is one of the bigger AAU programs we recruit from. 

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich 8,691]

Just now, IndyResident16 said:

I like Scott Drew but there's an irreparable relationship with Indiana Elite who is one of the bigger AAU programs we recruit from. 

How often do we get recruits anymore from them? I couldn't careless about them.

[IndyResident16 567]

1 minute ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

How often do we get recruits anymore from them? I couldn't careless about them.

Not as much as we should. We'd be in good shape if we simply took the top 4-5 recruits from the 25 Indiana Elite team but instead we'll chase and throw money at Montverde kids, call them winners, and anoint them saviors before they ever play a game. Rinse, wash, repeat. Offseason champions every year for a reason.

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich 8,691]

1 minute ago, IndyResident16 said:

Not as much as we should. We'd be in good shape if we simply took the top 4-5 recruits from the 25 Indiana Elite team but instead we'll chase and throw money at Montverde kids, call them winners, and anoint them saviors before they ever play a game. Rinse, wash, repeat. Offseason champions every year for a reason.

Yea it's worked out so well in the past lol. Who could forget how amazing The Movement was?

[IndyResident16 567]

1 minute ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

Yea it's worked out so well in the past lol. Who could forget how amazing The Movement was?

I'm thinking about all the IE guys we've missed out on and/or not bothered to recruit in general. 

[Kentuckysucks 2,265]

21 minutes ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

Yea it's worked out so well in the past lol. Who could forget how amazing The Movement was?

It was the best.

[southernindianahoosier2 902]

8 hours ago, southernindianahoosier2 said:

In the 80’s Harry Gonso led a blue ribbon committee that hired Tom Ehrlich as IU president, the relationship with the university and basketball program soured to the point of Bob knight threatening to leave…. The administration was humiliated and held meetings on how they could actively de emphasize the basketball program in favor of academics. It’s the revenge of the nerds Plotline for 15 years. And they’ve never changed in the other direction. As far as the Mike Davis years, I analyzed every coach that made it to a national title from “afterglow” Davis, Kevin Ollie, Tubbie Smith, Bruce Weber. On average those coaches stayed 6 years. So we aren’t out of the norm. The issue is the firing of Sampson, and thus power vacuum That was filled by another blue ribbon committee by Harry Gonso which hired the likes of Fred Glass and Tom Crean. McRobbie could have held things accountable but he was so bad that the people who solicit donations at IU actively had to hide big donations from McRobie out of fear he’d interject and lose them the donation. So the dysfunction goes back to the 80’s and infected all the way up to the BoTs

Wanted to add some more context since this is in the Coaching candidate thread:

The university's strategic vision for years was to de-emphasize sports. That's seen through upgrading any facilities from the 70's until finally we built a practice facility in 2009, etc.

Dysfunction continued up until 2021 when Glass and Mcrobbie were both let go. Although their goal wasn't explicitly to de-emphasize sports under that administration, winning didn't seem to be a priority for them, and instead the focus and vision seemed to be "to do things the right way". This is seen through the lack of accountability falling on the AD from the president, and lack of accountability on the coaches from the AD. Losing programs are okay with this attitude, winning programs are not. 

Have things changed in the administration? Gonso, Shoulders, McRobbie, and Glass are all gone. However, Dolson may have been hired by the old IU guard, and I'm not sure Dolson is the change agent needed for a dramatic turnaround. If any board insider feels different please share. 

I feel the frustration of the fans, I myself am frustrated. If we had to democratically select the next coach based purely on votes from members of this board we would have never hired Davis, Sampson, Crean, Archie, or Woodson, which is telling of the disconnect within the admin. 

An analogy is: We're blockbuster, a once great brand that was on top of the world, we had the opportunity to buy netflix multiple times, and now we're failing in a world dominated by streaming.  If the fans are the employees in this scenario, we're worried about losing our jobs and desperately asking how our brand is going to get out of this and recover. And leadership is not publicly address any of the issues and providing a vision, they're disconnected from reality in their ivory towers with a holier than thou smugness making decisions based not on winning, but self preservation and what benefits them. Short term gains compiling over 30 years for the longest term losses. Until this changes IU will always be a losing program. 

For me, that is why I want a coach with some transparency on his strategic vision. I'm high on coach Cig just based on his transparency via tweeting on how he envisions the IUFB program. What I want in a coach is:

1. A change agent who's not afraid to tell the truth

2. Transparent in his strategic vision

3. Someone who wants to build a championship level program

4. Someone who embodies "How you do anything is how you do everything"

5. Someone who's willing to address every single aspect of the program. Meals, Game Day Experience, Uniforms, (not just X's and O's)

6. If all 5 of the above are present, I have no doubt that he's a winner. 

 

 

[HoosierTrav 7,896]

20 minutes ago, IndyResident16 said:

I'm thinking about all the IE guys we've missed out on and/or not bothered to recruit in general. 

The issue is that we haven’t had a single coach that would be able to win with those kids. I think that’s why the fanbase so desperately wants Stevens to coach here. We all know he can win with lower ranked kids from the state. He's proved that already. He has no known personal baggage. He would completely unite the fanbase. I agree. It’s never going to happen. But he’s the only guy that can meet everyone’s expectations.

Everyone else is a complete coin flip. Beard wins here immediately but fractures the base beyond repair. I’ll admit that. I have been on the record that I think he would win here and big. I don’t feel like going down that road again bc I don’t have the energy to fight with people and defend my character from assassination by complete strangers. I’ll just agree to disagree.

I’ll also admit that he’s not a good fit for the university. They take many issues more seriously than winning. Thats fine. I respect it in some ways (their firm stance on domestic violence). Some ways I don't (their decision to force Sampson out, rather than reprimand or suspend). I think the school wants to win but not as bad as the programs who are winning consistently. I think that fact is really difficult for anyone to dispute. I also think it’s a pill that the fanbase (myself included) needs to finally swallow, so that we can finally adjust our expectations for this program. If the university’s expectations match the fanbases, there would be 40 year gaps between titles and 50% tournament birth rate over a 20 year period. It simply wouldn’t happen. So I think the only rational explanation, is that winning is not a priority. Is what it is. We’d be happier as Purdue fans. 

[IndyResident16 567]

8 minutes ago, HoosierTrav said:

The issue is that we haven’t had a single coach that would be able to win with those kids. I think that’s why the fanbase so desperately wants Stevens to coach here. We all know he can win with lower ranked kids from the state. He's proved that already. He has no known personal baggage. He would completely unite the fanbase. I agree. It’s never going to happen. But he’s the only guy that can meet everyone’s expectations.

Everyone else is a complete coin flip. Beard wins here immediately but fractures the base beyond repair. I’ll admit that. I have been on the record that I think he would win here and big. I don’t feel like going down that road again bc I don’t have the energy to fight with people and defend my character from assassination by complete strangers. I’ll just agree to disagree.

I’ll also admit that he’s not a good fit for the university. They take many issues more seriously than winning. Thats fine. I respect it in some ways (their firm stance on domestic violence). Some ways I don't (their decision to force Sampson out, rather than reprimand or suspend). I think the school wants to win but not as bad as the programs who are winning consistently. I think that fact is really difficult for anyone to dispute. I also think it’s a pill that the fanbase (myself included) needs to finally swallow, so that we can finally adjust our expectations for this program. If the university’s expectations match the fanbases, there would be 40 year gaps between titles and 50% tournament birth rate over a 20 year period. It simply wouldn’t happen. So I think the only rational explanation, is that winning is not a priority. Is what it is. We’d be happier as Purdue fans. 

At least you're honest about it and I respect that.

They loud minority on here vehemently opposing someone like Chris Beard will also be the same camp 10-15 years from now wondering why IU is still a third rate B10 program. 

[Banksyrules 4,814]

3 hours ago, IndyResident16 said:

I know what you’re saying, but what does his domestic dispute have to do with his ability to coach? It’s a case closed, book shut type deal where all charges were dropped with no further legal proceedings that could jeopardize his availability on the sideline. 
 

And to your second point, coaching salaries and buyouts are donor funded at almost every school and in a lot of cases up to 100%. 

Because you still are employed by a university.  Who 50% of the students happen to be women.  The reality of the world is that the court system is horribly inept with domestic abuse. It might satisfy your needs but I guarantee you women will feel otherwise.  It just makes me so upset how there’s no perspective in life with some people.  Sports is not everything. And if it is to you , I’m sorry you need to branch out and diversify your life.  I’m personally glad I’m not rooting for a  SEC school and we actually have standards.