General Coach Candidate News

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1 hour ago, Treesh said:

Well the NBA has changed to race and space. Teams want to play fast and everyone should be able to shoot the 3 and make it -- at all positions.

My argument -- The last time he was a head coach, the NBA wasn't race and space. They had centers who couldn't shoot, they have teams taking mid-range jumpers, etc.  

Maybe he could adapt, maybe Dane Fife could win a banner here, maybe Brad Stevens is coming tonight. No one knows anything. If Mike Woodson never played at Indiana then he really should not be a candidate. He hasn't done anything to stand out as a head coach for Indiana University. 

And he’s an assistant coach now in the the same NBA that is about race and space.  You seem to think he stopped coaching.  Just because the game has evolved doesn’t mean he hasn’t.

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8 minutes ago, triple said:

And even Moser has to look at our fanbase and recognize it's a risky move.  Not slamming us...just pointing out the reality of the situation.

Think about it...Sister Jean for us...

Hand me a rosary...

[Trish 11,683]

2 minutes ago, brumdog45 said:

And he’s an assistant coach now in the the same NBA that is about race and space.  You seem to think he stopped coaching.  Just because the game has evolved doesn’t mean he hasn’t.

And then back to the point I made earlier, the Knicks are the slowest team in the NBA, #30th in the league in PACE. They are not your typical NBA team today. 

Offensively, where he is suppose to be good, the Knicks are #23 in the league. 

[Golfman25 5,735]

1 hour ago, DChoosier said:

He didn’t start with nothing but Howard has transformed the roster. With Livers out three of his top 5 players are in their first year at Michigan (I.e. they were not “gifted” to him) and a fourth is only in his second year (has only played for Howard). That’s 4/5 of the top guys that have only been with the program during the Howard tenure.

His accomplishments sometimes seem to get downplayed  (he inherited a lot, Phil Martelli is the real coach etc. etc)  but I give the guy a TON of credit. He needed front and backcourt guys and he brought in two impactful transfers and his leading scorer is a freshman.  We sat on open scholarships and did not have a freshman anywhere close to impactful as Dickinson. He is the “CEO” and filled position needs, hired good assistants, has a fun team to watch, put in time as a NBA assistant learning from a good coach and has the number one class in the country, with two 5-stars and three 4-stars, coming. Time will tell but so far he has the program rolling.

Yeah, but the little guy with the funky hair freaks me out.  :)  

[HoosierFan1994 4,754]

18 minutes ago, IU Scott said:

Last time my #1 was Greg Marshall but glad that didn't happen

Billy Donovan was my number 1 lol. I thought it was Alford until he said after UK beat them he wasn't the coach. I knew then IU had their guy. I thought it was Bennett or Miller the morning of. 

[Hardwood83 4,774]

24 minutes ago, IU-DL said:

My preference, in order: Moser, Stevens, Musselman or Beard, Matta, Oats, Bennett. And I'd be perfectly fine with any of them.

Realistic to unrealistic: Musselman, Matta, Moser, Beard, Stevens, Bennett, Oats

Big fat disgusting screaming to the high heavens NO: Any "forced" IU guy. Alford, Woodson, Lewis as HC (assistant yes), Fife (assistant yes), USC coach, Beilein, Oregon coach, and I don't particularly love Drew. It's my moralistic ways that bother me about a few of these guys.

I'm with you, so it must be right! I would change your order and put Moser last but that is basically where I am. 

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1 minute ago, Treesh said:

And then back to the point I made earlier, the Knicks are the slowest team in the NBA, #30th in the league in PACE. They are not your typical NBA team today. 

Offensively, where he is suppose to be good, the Knicks are #23 in the league. 

I thought he was known for getting the most of defensive players?  I could be wrong.  He has a ring as an assistant coach with the Pistons.

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28 minutes ago, hper50 said:

Doesn’t Alford have a pretty big buyout?

Not big enough!!

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9 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

I would rather hire Woodson or one of the IU assistants than hire Moser. Mid-major guys worry the most out of anyone. Moser is only in his second tournament in 17 years as a head coach. I could possibly be talked into one of the IU guys but I would be really disappointed with Moser. 

If Indiana had to win its conference to make the tournament each year we wouldn’t have more than two in that time span either.

[Trish 11,683]

1 minute ago, Lebowski said:

I thought he was known for getting the most of defensive players?  I could be wrong.  He has a ring as an assistant coach with the Pistons.

An article I read suggest he's an offensive minded. That might be suggested because of his Knicks team with Carmelo in 2013.

I have no idea however --- I really don't know much about the fella besides him playing at Indiana back in the day. 

 

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1 minute ago, Treesh said:

And then back to the point I made earlier, the Knicks are the slowest team in the NBA, #30th in the league in PACE. They are not your typical NBA team today. 

Offensively, where he is suppose to be good, the Knicks are #23 in the league. 

He’s not the head coach.  And if you are going to attribute every stat to an assistant, then we should lead the NCAA in points allowed since that’s what the knicks are doing.

this gets back to the whole “they are winning but I don’t like how they are winning” argument about Bennett.  The Knicks have a bad NBA roster and are playing .500 ball by playing how they need to.  That’s a plus, not a minus.

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Just now, Treesh said:

An article I read suggest he's an offensive minded. That might be suggested because of his Knicks team with Carmelo in 2013.

I have no idea however --- I really don't know much about the fella besides him playing at Indiana back in the day. 

 

Gotcha, well, I guess he just adjusts his coaching based on player personnel?

[Trish 11,683]

Just now, brumdog45 said:

He’s not the head coach.  And if you are going to attribute every stat to an assistant, then we should lead the NCAA in points allowed since that’s what the knicks are doing.

this gets back to the whole “they are winning but I don’t like how they are winning” argument about Bennett.  The Knicks have a bad NBA roster and are playing .500 ball by playing how they need to.  That’s a plus, not a minus.

I don't know how their staff operates. Sometimes NBA and even college teams have offensive coordinators, defensive coordinators. Nonetheless, the staff is very old-school basketball which goes against what Scott Dolson wanted I thought? 

 

[Trish 11,683]

Just now, Lebowski said:

Gotcha, well, I guess he just adjusts his coaching based on player personnel?

One would think. He gets what he's given in the head coaching role / assistant coaching role in the NBA. 

Which worries me to another point, he's never coached college basketball let alone recruited high school kids. Personally, the potential hire of Woodson just isn't exciting at all and would honestly seem completely out of left-field. We all want Indiana to win again but are we really going to hire an NBA assistant coach that is only being considered because he played for Indiana? Ugh.

Just hire Dane Fife, I like his odds way more as an IU hire. At least high school kids already know him. 

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Just now, Treesh said:

One would think. He gets what he's given in the head coaching role / assistant coaching role in the NBA. 

Which worries me to another point, he's never coached college basketball let alone recruited high school kids. Personally, the potential hire of Woodson just isn't exciting at all and would honestly seem completely out of left-field. We all want Indiana to win again but are we really going to hire an NBA assistant coach that is only being considered because he played for Indiana? Ugh.

Just hire Dane Fife, I like his odds way more as an IU hire. At least high school kids already know him. 

Honestly, I just want a coach that wins.  I don't care who gets hired.

[Hoosierfan2017 21,797]

13 minutes ago, Magnanimous said:

If Indiana had to win its conference to make the tournament each year we wouldn’t have more than two either in that time span either.

Certainly, but the past four seasons he's had are the only seasons he's been anywhere close. 

The 13 seasons prior to the past four, he finished: 7th, 5th, 5th, 10th, 6th, 10th, 8th, 10th, 7th, 10th, 6th, 8th, 5th.

10 of those 13 seasons he had a losing conference record. Being a great team and missing the tournament because you don't win your conference tournament is one thing. But that wasn't what was happening to him. He went an entire decade without posting a winning record in his conference.

He's had a pretty good thing going the past few seasons. Their trip to the Final Four was a great moment. But recruiting mid-major players, coaching in the Missouri Valley Conference, and then coaching as the underdog in the NCAA tournament is a far cry from coaching at IU and in the Big 10. Could he kill it at IU? Sure, it's possible. But it would be a very large risk. I don't think IU is in a place where we can take that big of a risk. We're another bad hire away from flatlining and becoming Nebraska football. 

[Golfman25 5,735]

26 minutes ago, IU Scott said:

I am including myself in this statement that our fan base is just nuts.  We take every little tidbit that is tweeted and take it as gospel and freak out about it if it doesn't meet our agenda.  Dolson said you will not hear from him until the announcement on the new coach is made  So why not let him do his job and see what happens instead of freaking out every minute.  We have no idea if any of this info going out has any truth to it at all so let it play out.

It would be nice to have at least a "we are looking at many candidates, some of which are still dancing.  With respect to their programs, we won't entertain discussion with those candidates until their "one shining moment" is complete."  

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If we can't get Oats, we have to get Musselman!!!   

[Vauxhall and IU 317]

My brain is starting to turn to mush reading these threads. Here's what I know: four years ago I was following our coaching search just as intently as I am now, and I didn't learn about the hire from here or Twitter or anywhere else. I learned about it from this post ⬇️ on the official IU Basketball Facebook page. My hunch is we'll probably hear about the new hire the same way. I might need a break from this.

 

[HoosierFan1994 4,754]

3 minutes ago, Vauxhall and IU said:

My brain is starting to turn to mush reading these threads. Here's what I know: four years ago I was following our coaching search just as intently as I am now, and I didn't learn about the hire from here or Twitter or anywhere else. I learned about it from this post ⬇️ on the official IU Basketball Facebook page. My hunch is we'll probably hear about the new hire the same way. I might need a break from this.

 

I think Woj broke it. There was a lot of smoke that Saturday morning that Indiana was going to make an announcement that day. Just like the Sunday Evening/Monday morning last week regarding Archie. Nobody is going to break it here, but there will be some smoke.