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[Magisterium 393]

5 hours ago, coonhounds said:

Lander has airballed alot of shots no arguing that but our guards as a whole have put up some of the worst looking misses in iu basketball recent history. I mean open looks that only catch the backboard and no where near the rim is as bad as a airball imo. Shooting under archie miller has been a disaster as not one single player has developed into a consistent shooter. We have zero guys that when the shot goes up we think that is going in. At least for me I think every shot that goes up is probably missing and its getting old

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some of these guys (especially Lander) appear to struggle in half-court sets and I suspect would play considerably better in an all-out running game--but I guess that's not in either Archie's background or his nature to install at IU.

[Josh 12,711]

4 hours ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

IMO one of the better articles discussing where IU basketball is today and the conclusion is it's time to cut the cord.

https://www.si.com/college/indiana/basketball/tom-brew-finally-time-for-indiana-to-move-on-from-archie-miller?fbclid=IwAR18EwLyMeQ7DIrbcrTnbLkPKoHXi9UUdqFp4PBm_i8rBkh_Mv_YdMYLxoU

Man, Tom Brew was a pumper.  This is a big endorsement to lose.

[Golfman25 5,747]

2 hours ago, JSHoosier said:

His MVC conference record is sub .500.

That's fair.  But he basically took over a Div 3 program.  At this point I'd settle for the kid that coaches the AEPi rec team over Archie.  

[HoosierAloha 30,077]

18 minutes ago, Magisterium said:

some of these guys (especially Lander) appear to struggle in half-court sets and I suspect would play considerably better in an all-out running game--but I guess that's not in either Archie's background or his nature to install at IU.

Have you seen them when they attempt to run?  We'll need to place some barriers around the floor so we don't get sued when one of the players chucks it off a fans noggin.  

I'm not opposed to this team getting out on the break but that's led to easy buckets for the other team when they turn it over at a higher rate.

[Golfman25 5,747]

3 hours ago, Uspshoosier said:

Archie’s problem this year in the B1G is defense.   Last I checked IU defensive efficiency in B1G games only was 10th out 14.    The offense was top 6 

Top 4 Big teams have an offense ppg/defense ppg over 10 ppg.  (ok OSU at 9.5)  IU is at 2.8 - That's basically one bucket.  Good for 9th and just above the really crappy teams who are less than 1.  They score more points (by possibly avoiding those 10-0 runs), while keeping their defense the same, they win more games.  

[coonhounds 9,266]

Man, Tom Brew was a pumper.  This is a big endorsement to lose.

He said in the article he doesn't engage in that kind of talk very often unless its necessary. He is like alot of posters on here they don't feel its necessary to comment on the negativity even though they are thinking it. Guys like us do enough of that for everybody

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[JaybobHoosier 11,921]

@ people that defended Archie over the years, even through much of this year, what was it that finally broke the camels back?
this isn’t meant as a gotcha at all, I’m just curious how the half that had faith in him all of a sudden lost it. His support from this crowd seems to have vanished in the last 3 weeks or so and I’m just curious why?
 

So I’m one that was never thrilled with this hire, but thought it had potential to be good. In my mind he had 4 years to right the ship, and knew it would take a little time getting everyone on board from a complete 180 philosophy.

Here we are, year 4, and we are not better than last year. I would say what really did it for me was the home loss to Purdue, and then this loss to MSU pushed me over the edge with no return.

The inconsistency and failure to adapt by Archie are his biggest downfalls. He’s too stubborn for his own good, and there’s no excuse for this team not to be a top 25 team.
I’m truly worried about our program with Archie and beyond, scary to think we may never come back to a blue blood or consistent program again.


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[Hovadipo 56,789]

33 minutes ago, Josh said:

Man, Tom Brew was a pumper.  This is a big endorsement to lose.

THE pumper. He’s basically just a big fan that gets to put the SI logo on his site. 

[Uspshoosier 46,329]

7 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

Top 4 Big teams have an offense ppg/defense ppg over 10 ppg.  (ok OSU at 9.5)  IU is at 2.8 - That's basically one bucket.  Good for 9th and just above the really crappy teams who are less than 1.  They score more points (by possibly avoiding those 10-0 runs), while keeping their defense the same, they win more games.  

They don’t give up 52 points in the second half to one of the B1G worst offensive teams they win one more 

[coonhounds 9,266]

So I’m one that was never thrilled with this hire, but thought it had potential to be good. In my mind he had 4 years to right the ship, and knew it would take a little time getting everyone on board from a complete 180 philosophy.

Here we are, year 4, and we are not better than last year. I would say what really did it for me was the home loss to Purdue, and then this loss to MSU pushed me over the edge with no return.

The inconsistency and failure to adapt by Archie are his biggest downfalls. He’s too stubborn for his own good, and there’s no excuse for this team not to be a top 25 team.
I’m truly worried about our program with Archie and beyond, scary to think we may never come back to a blue blood or consistent program again.


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Keep positive. If coaching change is made we can definitely get back to high level. Alot of blue bloods are not good this year. Just need the right fit it can happen. I am a believer in situational coaching positions what isn't right for one guy can be for another. Look at all great coaches in all sports they have to be in the right place to succeed. We have to find our guy now. I know nobody on here wants alford but he for example I believe could succeed here but hasn't really anywhere else. Not my guy just a example of my thinking. Same as Brad stevens would be a great hire and would be my pick but it isn't a lock for success but I feel it would be a good bet.

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[Magisterium 393]

41 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

Have you seen them when they attempt to run?  We'll need to place some barriers around the floor so we don't get sued when one of the players chucks it off a fans noggin.  

I'm not opposed to this team getting out on the break but that's led to easy buckets for the other team when they turn it over at a higher rate.

I'm not saying Archie should go all-out run game with THIS roster--only that some players (again, especially Lander) seem to really struggle in the sets Archie likes to run, and might be more comfortable with a more up-tempo offense. But IIRC Archie's teams have seldom if ever taken that approach.

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[JSHoosier 20,442]

19 minutes ago, coonhounds said:

Keep positive. If coaching change is made we can definitely get back to high level. Alot of blue bloods are not good this year. Just need the right fit it can happen. I am a believer in situational coaching positions what isn't right for one guy can be for another. Look at all great coaches in all sports they have to be in the right place to succeed. We have to find our guy now. I know nobody on here wants alford but he for example I believe could succeed here but hasn't really anywhere else. Not my guy just a example of my thinking. Same as Brad stevens would be a great hire and would be my pick but it isn't a lock for success but I feel it would be a good bet.

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With the right guy we could, if it's not too late; that's my worry, I said we had to get this one right and botched it badly.  Does the administration have any desire to get it right though?  Or do they just want a program that makes a little money and the fans to shut up?

[coonhounds 9,266]

With the right guy we could, if it's not too late; that's my worry, I said we had to get this one right and botched it badly.  Does the administration have any desire to get it right though?  Or do they just want a program that makes a little money and the fans to shut up?

To be honest its never to late just a matter of doing it. Crean had a good team so did Sampson. Both coaches followed near disasters. Archie was in the best spot of all coaches post knight. Davis could arguably been best situation but he was also following a legend but also led that team after 2 years to a title game. Need someone cause Archie isnt it but nobody is guaranteed to fail or succeed so just hope for the best

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[Hoosierfan2017 21,844]

Fortunately, we get to see very soon how serious our administration is about winning. Unfortunately, the answer to that question is going to be not very. 
 

A serious administration would already have Archie’s termination papers drafted and ready to hand to him after our last game. He has failed at every single facet of his job, except for two. He hasn’t done anything to embarrass the university, and his players haven’t either. It seems like those are the two most important things to the IU administration. They’re perfectly content with a mediocre basketball program so long as it makes the school money and it doesn’t embarrass itself. Winning isn’t at the top of any of their agendas, and they laugh at us mere peasants who want it to be. We’re just a bunch of blowhards who need to shut up and be happy about being a perennial bubble team. Anything more would be unreasonable of us to expect.

[MikeRoberts 7,182]

3 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Fortunately, we get to see very soon how serious our administration is about winning. Unfortunately, the answer to that question is going to be not very. 
 

A serious administration would already have Archie’s termination papers drafted and ready to hand to him after our last game. He has failed at every single facet of his job, except for two. He hasn’t done anything to embarrass the university, and his players haven’t either. It seems like those are the two most important things to the IU administration. They’re perfectly content with a mediocre basketball program so long as it makes the school money and it doesn’t embarrass itself. Winning isn’t at the top of any of their agendas, and they laugh at us mere peasants who want it to be. We’re just a bunch of blowhards who need to shut up and be happy about being a perennial bubble team. Anything more would be unreasonable of us to expect.

Honest question, who is our administration these days? Glass is gone right? When is McRobbies last day? Who else has a say?

[JSHoosier 20,442]

3 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Fortunately, we get to see very soon how serious our administration is about winning. Unfortunately, the answer to that question is going to be not very. 
 

A serious administration would already have Archie’s termination papers drafted and ready to hand to him after our last game. He has failed at every single facet of his job, except for two. He hasn’t done anything to embarrass the university, and his players haven’t either. It seems like those are the two most important things to the IU administration. They’re perfectly content with a mediocre basketball program so long as it makes the school money and it doesn’t embarrass itself. Winning isn’t at the top of any of their agendas, and they laugh at us mere peasants who want it to be. We’re just a bunch of blowhards who need to shut up and be happy about being a perennial bubble team. Anything more would be unreasonable of us to expect.

I'd argue he's done plenty to embarrass the program.

[HoosierAloha 30,077]

Fortunately, we get to see very soon how serious our administration is about winning. Unfortunately, the answer to that question is going to be not very. 
 
A serious administration would already have Archie’s termination papers drafted and ready to hand to him after our last game. He has failed at every single facet of his job, except for two. He hasn’t done anything to embarrass the university, and his players haven’t either. It seems like those are the two most important things to the IU administration. They’re perfectly content with a mediocre basketball program so long as it makes the school money and it doesn’t embarrass itself. Winning isn’t at the top of any of their agendas, and they laugh at us mere peasants who want it to be. We’re just a bunch of blowhards who need to shut up and be happy about being a perennial bubble team. Anything more would be unreasonable of us to expect.

It’ll take them losing money from big time donors before they take action. They can lose the diehard fans and their money because casual fans will still attend some games. I hope a few step up and take action to return us to the top. There were some willing several years ago but not sure who that would be these days.


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[Hoosierfan2017 21,844]

26 minutes ago, JSHoosier said:

I'd argue he's done plenty to embarrass the program.

He’s definitely embarrassed the program. But he hasn’t been involved in any scandals and his players aren’t out getting arrested so the powers that be are happy enough to maintain the status quo. 

[MikeRoberts 7,182]

2 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

He’s definitely embarrassed the program. But he hasn’t been involved in any scandals and his players aren’t out getting arrested so the powers that be are happy enough to maintain the status quo. 

And that is important but should be table stakes. Top 12 pay should result in top 12 performance and I don’t mean top 12 in the conference even though that’s never a guarantee 

[RaceToTheTop 26,286]

1 hour ago, coonhounds said:

To be honest its never to late just a matter of doing it. Crean had a good team so did Sampson. Both coaches followed near disasters. Archie was in the best spot of all coaches post knight. Davis could arguably been best situation but he was also following a legend but also led that team after 2 years to a title game. Need someone cause Archie isnt it but nobody is guaranteed to fail or succeed so just hope for the best

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In retrospect, it's amazing how much like **** this fan base treated Mike Davis.  Absolutely he wasn't a great X and O's guy, but I still remember some fellow IU fans who said they were actively rooting for us to lose the title game because if we won then "Davis would be here forever".