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[woodenshoemanHoosierfan 6,703]

They averaged 70.8 points per game.  2022-23 average ppg was 67.6.  And that average is higher than Oregon’s average, the other team that Knecht strongly considered.

Stop with the facts. It doesn't fit the narrative

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[Scotty R 3,766]

2 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

Contacted him, were able to secure a zoom visit….but they didn’t want him?  C’mon.  It’s okay to say the staff didn’t get a player they wanted. 

So how do you know it wasn't the coaches who decided to move on

 No one on here has a clue what goes on in the recruiting.process

[RaceToTheTop 31,301]

Personally, I’ve not been in on the total ‘swing for the fences’ with every recruit approach.  That’s typically a losing proposition.  If you get one home run and then players that have a flaw but you find a way to minimize that, you will have good results.  Kansas State got good grades for what they did in the portal but the truth is they brought in guys that were considered to have flaws and they minimized them. No one thought at the beginning of the year they would do what they did.  Musselman does well in the portal but his success is more about putting his players in a position to win.  Justin Smith?  Very flawed.  But Musselnsn put in a position to maximize his strengths and minimize his flaws.

Time to find those type of players snd put them in a position to succeed.

[JSHoosier 22,232]

9 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Yeah, we can downplay guys after they commit to other schools, but a whole lot of guys we’ve pursued have gone elsewhere. Saying we’re being “selective” sounds like the guy at the bar making excuses for not getting any attention. 

Well, if the staff didn't really want a player that would've filled a need I guess that would qualify as "selective".

[RaceToTheTop 31,301]

3 minutes ago, Scotty R said:

So how do you know it wasn't the coaches who decided to move on

 No one on here has a clue what goes on in the recruiting.process

So your narrative is that the coaches felt they could get a top tenish portal transfer at a position of need and decided to move on from him?

I have to say your ‘defending’ of the staff is actually a pretty good put down.  The staff wanted him and didn’t get him.  It happens.  It’s not about the fall, it’s how they respond now.

[Scotty R 3,766]

I think coaches can't win when it comes to recruiting philosophy. Davis was always ripped for not offering a lot of players but settled on a select amount to recruit. Crean comes in and offers everyone and gets ripped because the fans thought players don't feel wanted when you offer that many players. Now Woodson is getting ripped for not offering enough players 

[Trish 14,482]

None of are in the offices determining the roster for the program next season. BUT, I will say it’s sort of alarming when potential transfers from mid majors or P5 continue to look elsewhere from Indiana. Especially considering Indiana has a strong NIL game, from what I hear at least. 
 

With roster spots as wide open as they are now, there has to be some reasons why kids are looking elsewhere. If the 2024 class doesn’t turn out to be a good one, then the concerns are verified IMO. 

[RaceToTheTop 31,301]

38 minutes ago, lillurk said:

Thanks. I work with folks in this age bracket and see students, athletes and otherwise, who make life-changing choices for weird/bad reasons all the time. As a result I find it tough to be overly critical of staffs absent other info — it’s pretty normal for 16-25 year olds to make even huge decisions for reasons that won’t make sense to them even months later.

Part of the reason the portal is so big.  Obviously NIL plays a huge part, but that’s not the only reason.  Honestly, I’m find the ability to do a one time free transfer.  Non-athletes transfer after a year or two all the time when they find the place they are isn’t where they want to be.

[maharkn 1,956]

Tennessee must have some big boosters emptying their pockets this week, shouldn't they have some kind of fine for being over the salary cap

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[Stuhoo 89,861]

1 minute ago, maharkn said:

Tennessee must have some big boosters emptying their pockets this week, shouldn't they have some kind of fine for being over the salary cap

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Salary cap is solely professional sports.

There is no salary cap in college basketball.

[Scotty R 3,766]

4 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

So your narrative is that the coaches felt they could get a top tenish portal transfer at a position of need and decided to move on from him?

I have to say your ‘defending’ of the staff is actually a pretty good put down.  The staff wanted him and didn’t get him.  It happens.  It’s not about the fall, it’s how they respond now.

I guess if they didn't like what they heard in the interview and what Knecht expected about touches or playing time.  Like I said non of us know what really goes on in the process

 You might be right or I might be but we don't know.  I just finds it funny that some just automatically turn on the coach when things don't go the way you want them to.

[RaceToTheTop 31,301]

8 minutes ago, Scotty R said:

I think coaches can't win when it comes to recruiting philosophy. Davis was always ripped for not offering a lot of players but settled on a select amount to recruit. Crean comes in and offers everyone and gets ripped because the fans thought players don't feel wanted when you offer that many players. Now Woodson is getting ripped for not offering enough players 

It’s all about the product on the floor.  Whatever recruiting strategy produces wins the fan base will accept.  I’m not as down on the results as a lot of posters.  I am expecting we will get a wing or shooting guard in the portal and do have more more hope than a lot of people on the board for next season, but most (not all, but most) are carrying pitchforks.

*. Big edit — meant to say mid are NOT carrying pitchforks

[lillurk 5,151]

1 minute ago, RaceToTheTop said:

Part of the reason the portal is so big.  Obviously NIL plays a huge part, but that’s not the only reason.  Honestly, I’m find the ability to do a one time free transfer.  Non-athletes transfer after a year or two all the time when they find the place they are isn’t where they want to be.

Right, agree. Theoretically athletes have additional layers of complication vs. a non-athlete even before you get to coaching changes, being recruited over, lied to, etc.

In general I would expect transfers to make more sensible decisions than frosh on where to go. It doesn’t always play out like that, athlete or non-, though.

[JSHoosier 22,232]

UT has a scholarship crunch and hits a homerun in the portal.  We have space available and can't even get a visit from players that could provide badly needed scoring.  

[RaceToTheTop 31,301]

3 minutes ago, maharkn said:

Tennessee must have some big boosters emptying their pockets this week, shouldn't they have some kind of fine for being over the salary cap

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They do.  They do in football as well.  Thus far their money still hasn’t equated to great success in either — but pretty good.

[Scotty R 3,766]

1 minute ago, RaceToTheTop said:

It’s all about the product on the floor.  Whatever recruiting strategy produces wins the fan base will accept.  I’m not as down on the results as a lot of posters.  I am expecting we will get a wing or shooting guard in the portal and do have more more hope than a lot of people on the board for next season, but most (not all, but most) are carrying pitchforks.

I have not said that in the end it will turn out great and might be a bad season next year. It just rubs me the wrong way seeing some posters just freaking out in Aoril

[TheWatShot 15,532]

6 minutes ago, Scotty R said:

I think coaches can't win when it comes to recruiting philosophy. Davis was always ripped for not offering a lot of players but settled on a select amount to recruit. Crean comes in and offers everyone and gets ripped because the fans thought players don't feel wanted when you offer that many players. Now Woodson is getting ripped for not offering enough players 

I think a lot of it stems from the program's long-term struggles with just about everything. Every season has become a struggle, seemingly every game is a struggle, getting recruits to commit has become a struggle. I think it's just worn people out. 

[lillurk 5,151]

1 minute ago, RaceToTheTop said:

I am expecting we will get a wing or shooting guard in the portal and do have more more hope than a lot of people on the board for next season, but most (not all, but most) are carrying pitchforks.

It’s not a perfect market but there are only so many high-major places with the resources IU has who are looking for a wing or two or three. Everyone wants more wings. Not everyone can offer a vet PG, former NBA HC, strong NIL program, two guys in the top ~40 draft picks out the door, etc.

I’m not toooooooooo stressed yet because I don’t really think someone who wants all those things has tons of other landing spots as the other seats fill up.

[Hoosierfan2017 25,040]

26 minutes ago, Scotty R said:

So how do you know it wasn't the coaches who decided to move on

 No one on here has a clue what goes on in the recruiting.process

You make excuse after excuse for the staff while simultaneously blaming the fans of all people for the staff’s shortcomings. It’s ridiculous. IU was a good but not great team last year. We had a nonexistent bench, and 4 of the 5 starters are gone, including our all-American 20/10 guy. Our incoming freshman class is mediocre. Woody needs a big portal haul and he’s not getting it. We’re watching target after target commit elsewhere, two of them to the same school. Ware is nice, but he does nothing to fill our gaping hole on the perimeter. 

[RaceToTheTop 31,301]

2 minutes ago, TheWatShot said:

I think a lot of it stems from the program's long-term struggles with just about everything. Every season has become a struggle, seemingly every game is a struggle, getting recruits to commit has become a struggle. I think it's just worn people out. 

Then again, if it truly had worn people out we wouldn’t be on a message board posting about the 2023-24 season in April.  A week ago we celebrated getting Ware, next week we worry the sky is falling.  We’ll probably have dozens of victories and defeats before we tip off in November.  Enjoy the ride.