Coronavirus and Its Impact

[Brass Cannon 25,174]

One other thing about Bush. He had a pandemic response plan. 
 

Do you know why he had one. 
 

He read a book.  About the Spanish Flu. Man I miss having a president that reads stuff not about themselves. 

[Golfman25 6,288]

1 hour ago, rcs29 said:

This has become much less about the virus and much more arguing about politics and the party leader(s). When is the last time that argument got anywhere? Ever? Everyone knows better than the next guy and everyone's favorite candidate is better than the next guy's.

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Some people hate Trump.  Some people like Trump.  Move on.  

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich 9,060]

I read an article on him a few years ago from a guy that was by his side a lot. Said he kind of put on the folky attitude to relate with the people. Said he was incredibly intelligent. Obviously he had plenty of jokes coming his way and that’s fine. I didn’t see much of it to be mean spirited and that’s what comedy is really about. And he got a bit of the “stooge” treatment.” He also got about the biggest curveball you could get early on as a president with 9/11. And still had many great moments. The strike he threw for the first pitch was beautiful. When he had a show thrown at him was pretty funny.


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To add to it, obviously the Iraq War didn’t turn out how anyone wanted it to. And I’ve heard some things about it. I don’t believe it was a mistake and I do believe there might actually have been weapons they were hiding. I don’t think we went into the war to win which was a mistake. I’ve listened to Larry Elder talk about that period of time a bit and it was pretty interesting. He goes into it a good bit when talking to Dave Rubin if anyone wants to watch it in YouTube.


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[Golfman25 6,288]

54 minutes ago, Andowen1990IU said:

There are several Republican governors opening up public areas this weekend against the advice of pretty much every professional health organization and the health community at large because a small portion of the population wants them to (some with legitimate and concerns, others that just want to get a hair cut and go to the beach). Isn't everyone using this to try and get political points?

*I should add that the President is also using this to get political points. He had the Army General of the Army Core of Engineers on the other day and asked him to talk about the southern boarder wall during a presser on COVID hospital builds.

I guess the Gov. of Colorado changed parties.  https://www.cpr.org/2020/04/21/colorado-will-shift-from-stay-at-home-to-safe-at-home-heres-what-that-looks-like-as-the-state-slowly-reopens/

[Golfman25 6,288]

52 minutes ago, JSHoosier said:

Always shift blame, take a page out of the Trump playbook.  It's not like there are GOP governors opening up against the advice of experts during a pandemic, or a GOP assistant governor saying "there are things more important than living".

Or this guy.  https://www.cpr.org/2020/04/21/colorado-will-shift-from-stay-at-home-to-safe-at-home-heres-what-that-looks-like-as-the-state-slowly-reopens/

[Golfman25 6,288]

37 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

Exactly. He’s giving them material. Obama got criticized for a tan suit for a week....because they had nothing else to criticize.  
 

Bush got criticized for trying to open a locked door for god knows how long because despite his reputation new material wasn’t constant. 
 

Trump provides new wtf material every day. 

Don't forget his mom jeans.  

[Chips&Dipo 1,464]

3 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

I guess the Gov. of Colorado changed parties.  https://www.cpr.org/2020/04/21/colorado-will-shift-from-stay-at-home-to-safe-at-home-heres-what-that-looks-like-as-the-state-slowly-reopens/

Did you read that? This more closely mirrors what Denmark and The Netherlands are doing. No more than ten people in a closed space, still requiring curbside pick up. Seems like public parks and larger work places are still to remain closed.

The states that I was referring to are full on opening this weekend. You don't see the difference?

[Brass Cannon 25,174]

Just now, Andowen1990IU said:

Did you read that? This more closely mirrors what Denmark and The Netherlands are doing. No more than ten people in a closed space, still requiring curbside pick up. Seems like public parks and larger work places are still to remain closed.

The states that I was referring to are full on opening this weekend. You don't see the difference?

He does not 

[WayneFleekHoosier 49,857]

Since we have so many experts here.

 

How long do we stay home and stop living? Who pays the bills? Who pays those that pay the bills? The fear factor created by this will crush the economy even further when we do open up.

 

Everyone wants to nit pick and blame Trump. It’s sickening. The man wants to do well. He wants America to do well. If you don’t believe this you’ve been brainwashed by the media. This is an unprecedented event and EVERY single person, including the experts, are trying to figure this out day by day.

 

I’m still home following the guidelines and have made virtually no money for 5 weeks. There isn’t anything out there to help me. I make too much money to get the standard benefits. I’m not a business owner so I don’t get any of those benefits. I’m getting crushed. My workers are now compensated so well by state and federal unemployment they don’t want to work.

 

So do I stay home for 2 more months with no income? Or how long should it be, experts?

 

 

 

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[Brass Cannon 25,174]

Just now, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Since we have so many experts here.

How long do we stay home and stop living? Who pays the bills? Who pays those that pay the bills? The fear factor created by this will crush the economy even further when we do open up.

Everyone wants to nit pick and blame Trump. It’s sickening. The man wants to do well. He wants America to do well. If you don’t believe this you’ve been brainwashed by the media. This is an unprecedented event and EVERY single person, including the experts, are trying to figure this out day by day.

I’m still home following the guidelines and have made virtually no money for 5 weeks. There isn’t anything out there to help me. I make to much money to get the standard benefits. I’m not a business owner so I don’t get any of those benefits. I’m getting crushed. My workers are now compensated so well by state and federal unemployment they don’t want to work.

So do I stay home for 2 more months with no income? Or how long should it be, experts?



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You say he wants to do well and America do well as if it’s fact?  
 

You can’t dismiss allegations of corruption with that. 
 

And you stay home as long as the experts say too. Trump isn’t one of those experts. 

[mdn82 25,782]

Since we have so many experts here.
 
How long do we stay home and stop living? Who pays the bills? Who pays those that pay the bills? The fear factor created by this will crush the economy even further when we do open up.
 
Everyone wants to nit pick and blame Trump. It’s sickening. The man wants to do well. He wants America to do well. If you don’t believe this you’ve been brainwashed by the media. This is an unprecedented event and EVERY single person, including the experts, are trying to figure this out day by day.
 
I’m still home following the guidelines and have made virtually no money for 5 weeks. There isn’t anything out there to help me. I make too much money to get the standard benefits. I’m not a business owner so I don’t get any of those benefits. I’m getting crushed. My workers are now compensated so well by state and federal unemployment they don’t want to work.
 
So do I stay home for 2 more months with no income? Or how long should it be, experts?
 
 
 
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So you are mad at others for your economic situation? I am sorry the economy is what it is but today started over my comment of him suggesting disinfectant. So if that’s “nitpicking” I am sorry. As someone with a medical background would you be suggesting that to a national audience during a Coronavirus briefing when people are looking to you for leadership? That’s the only thing sickening to me. So no, I don’t think experts are trying to figure that out. They did a long time ago. You in your position? I am guessing 2 weeks btw.


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[WayneFleekHoosier 49,857]

You say he wants to do well and America do well as if it’s fact?  
 
You can’t dismiss allegations of corruption with that. 
 
And you stay home as long as the experts say too. Trump isn’t one of those experts. 

Unreal.

Well, the experts are recommending soft opening places and you guys are crushing them for that too.

Never going to win against people looking to blame in an event that’s going crush the economy and kill people no matter how you handle it. Blame is easy to find when there isn’t a way to eliminate either of those factors.

Lives are lost and economy is crushed no matter what is decided. The president can’t fix that. He tries to lessen lives lost and the economy collapse and he’s certainly 100% trying to do both of this things.


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[Stuhoo 85,606]

Maybe he didn't actually suggest the use of disinfectant, but was merely being sarcastic to mock reporters? 

Then all would be forgiven because that would be good form, right?

[Chips&Dipo 1,464]

11 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Unreal.

Well, the experts are recommending soft opening places and you guys are crushing them for that too.

Never going to win against people looking to blame in an event that’s going crush the economy and kill people no matter how you handle it. Blame is easy to find when there isn’t a way to eliminate either of those factors.

Lives are lost and economy is crushed no matter what is decided. The president can’t fix that. He tries to lessen lives lost and the economy collapse and he’s certainly 100% trying to do both of this things.


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I thought the recommendation was to follow the data? Indiana has the fourteen days of decline before phase 1. Yesterday was the highest single day increase (partially due to more testing being available).

I don't think anybody is against soft openings, but opening everything based on no evidence is not a soft open, it is reckless. If states are opening based on the evidence, then I say let them open and hope for the best. But the consequences of just opening without data backing that we have a handle on this could be bad for the economy AND lead to more deaths.

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich 9,060]

Maybe he didn't actually suggest the use of disinfectant, but was merely being sarcastic to mock reporters? 
Then all would be forgiven because that would be good form, right?

Or he wasn’t literally suggesting to inject Lysol into people but that’s just what you want it to be.


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[Brass Cannon 25,174]

24 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Unreal.

Well, the experts are recommending soft opening places and you guys are crushing them for that too.

Never going to win against people looking to blame in an event that’s going crush the economy and kill people no matter how you handle it. Blame is easy to find when there isn’t a way to eliminate either of those factors.

Lives are lost and economy is crushed no matter what is decided. The president can’t fix that. He tries to lessen lives lost and the economy collapse and he’s certainly 100% trying to do both of this things.


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Lol believe what you want to believe. The federal government hasn’t done much of anything. 
 

If he wanted to save lives he and his army of supporters wouldn’t have spent a month downplaying the virus and doing nothing. 
 

Even if you think he’s trying you are supposed to judge him by effectiveness.  It’s ironic his supporters are the same ones that whine about participation trophies yet they want to anoint him a success for “trying”.

And I’m curious which experts are saying open back up?

[JSHoosier 21,664]

Would the people defending Trump's comment be doing the same if, say, Obama had said it?  Unfortunately, I think I know the answer to that.

For the record, I'd be calling it a stupid dangerous comment regardless of party affiliation.

[Class of '66 Old Fart 87,799]

Whatever happened to the btb I once knew?

It's pretty clear who's on whose side and neither side is going to change their viewpoint so why the endless back and forth?  I mean I'm bored too but........!

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich 9,060]

Would the people defending Trump's comment be doing the same if, say, Obama had said it?  Unfortunately, I think I know the answer to that.
For the record, I'd be calling it a stupid dangerous comment regardless of party affiliation.

Knowing what he meant? No. I wouldn’t really care. I mean he did once say there were like 56 states or something stupid. Do I believe he thinks there are that many? No. I thought it was funny and moved on. Because I don’t take every word said on the planet literally. But it seems we are in a day and age where everything will get taken literally if you’re on the “wrong side.”


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[WayneFleekHoosier 49,857]

Lol believe what you want to believe. The federal government hasn’t done much of anything.   

If he wanted to save lives he and his army of supporters wouldn’t have spent a month downplaying the virus and doing nothing. 

 

Even if you think he’s trying you are supposed to judge him by effectiveness.  It’s ironic his supporters are the same ones that whine about participation trophies yet they want to anoint him a success for “trying”.

And I’m curious which experts are saying open back up?

 

We won’t ever agree and that’s fine and fair. I’ll never convince you and the reverse is true.

 

We could argue all day about your comment about the government doing nothing. I could make a list 1000 pages long on things they’ve done.

 

The participation trophy comment is silly. Yes, I come from a generation that didn’t give them. I prefer that, but whatever, that’s another argument.

 

As far as Trumping “trying”, what else can he do? We’ve shut everything down. Death tolls are still relatively low (based off projections). Even to the experts, it’s always been about flattening the curve. There is no winning with the virus because you could argue that us losing X number of people vs the projected is a win.

 

The economy is an attached argument. You and I can’t fathom to understand the impact this will have on it.

 

If you were president what would you have done differently? You do have all the answers after all.

 

 

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