Negativity Thread

[mdn82]

We have 3 guards that can share that 80 minutes.


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Yes we do. But we also have four guards when all are playing within themselves have ability to be much better and fresh.


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[WayneFleekHoosier]

This thread really has nothing to do with firing Archie Miller this thread is an outlet for people’s frustration with a program that has slowly declined in on court results over the last 25 years. Archie just happens to be the latest coach at the center. Strip down the phrases on both sides of this debate (negative nellys, pumpers, and slow learners) and its a pretty simple debate. People who questioned the hire before he was hired are probably still going to question the hire 2 and half years in. People can say that winning would change their mind but when you are not invested in the person at the top even winning games might be hard to overcome.

People who liked the hire before he was hired are probably going to still like the hire 2 and half years in. People can say that losing should change their mind but when you are invested and believe in the person at top losing games can be overlooked.
Somewhere over the last couple months this place has lost something it desperately needs to get back. A middle ground where people can debate respectfully. It’s seems people are more worried about 1 upping, coming up with a zinger or getting the last word on a topic. I’ve been just as guilty. Wayne said it best the other day. Why the pettiness? I don’t have an answer for that
We say during the holidays how special this place is and we view it like family. One of the reasons this place was different then other places was people could express themselves and not get buried or eaten alive by piranhas waiting to attack a post. We are better then this. Positive, Negative, Archie lover, Archie hater, young or old BT banners we are better then this.

Losing is a disease and over the last 25 years it has infected this program and its fans to the point where there is a divide between a fanbase when the team that they are emotionally invested in is 15-4.
Think about that, a program coming off 3 years without a tournament appearance is 15-4 and solidly in the tournament field and losing has caused a divide between its fanbase on what exactly 15-4 means.

Not sure what happens next but I would like to think moving forward winning or losing we all work together to find a middle ground to where we can debate on the program we love in respectfully.




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Great post USPS.

I’ve been one of the “negative” posters as viewed by many. I’ve been singled out on multiple occasions. Most of us have. I’ve seen other “negative” posters get teamed up on. It all creates a divide. It should never be an issue.

I don’t think I’m negative at all but I ride with IUBB and it is what it is. We’ve not been a good program. I want hope. I like hope. I look for signs of hope. I want IUBB to get great and be feared.

Some people only post to pick on the “negative” guys. I’ve said before, we become a winning culture and most of that dies down. But it won’t entirely. Heck, look at Kentucky after all their success, they have a bad season, and a quarter of their fanbase wants Calipari fired.

I enjoy the back and forth. I enjoy both sides, because sometimes I see points I’ve not considered. I like to think I’m open minded. We all should be. When and if we become great again I’ll be head cheerleader enjoying the victory laps.

Let’s just leave to drama, namecalling, hate in the past. When Indiana is great, let’s rejoice. When we suck, let’s bring the pitchforks because that is what fans do. We shouldn’t take ourselves so seriously.


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[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

Yes we do. But we also have four guards when all are playing within themselves have ability to be much better and fresh.


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Problem is that Green can only do that for about 5 minutes.


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[mdn82]

Some posters said he'd be necessary against MSU.  He scored 2 and we won anyway.
He's not as needed as some have convinced themselves.  Good thing, as I've said his downsides are too common and his limited upside is too rare.

I can agree with this also. Same thought process for me I said to Joe. Test it. Throw him in and luckily most every night you know what you got within 2-3 minutes. Do what we did last game. Try him for short stretches with a quick pull. The problem is if he has a great game which he is capable of, what is done the following games? Longer leash earlier? I hope not. I just think the last game should be the model for seeing if Devonte has it that game.


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[mdn82]

Problem is that Green can only do that for about 5 minutes.


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Then play him five at a time. It’s on the coach to maximize the good or limit the bad. He hasn’t done a good job at that with certain players imo. He has to find a way to get Devonte on track for whatever short or long bursts. Or limit how much he hurts us. Devonte should be very aware of how we can beat good teams without him. I think we go further with good Devonte. If good Devonte is only available for about 5 minutes then 5 it is. If it’s like last game we can no longer wait 20 to find out.


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[Magnanimous]

24 minutes ago, JSHoosier said:

Some posters said he'd be necessary against MSU.  He scored 2 and we won anyway.

He's not as needed as some have convinced themselves.  Good thing, as I've said his downsides are too common and his limited upside is too rare.

We also didn’t need to score a ton to beat MSU. That’s the point I’m making.

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

Then play him five at a time. It’s on the coach to maximize the good or limit the bad. He hasn’t done a good job at that with certain players imo. He has to find a way to get Devonte on track for whatever short or long bursts. Or limit how much he hurts us. Devonte should be very aware of how we can beat good teams without him. I think we go further with good Devonte. If good Devonte is only available for about 5 minutes then 5 it is. If it’s like last game we can no longer wait 20 to find out.


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It seems odd that ever since “cheergate” happened and everything after the NW game, Davis’ energy has gotten better and he’s looked better and more locked in. Green had the Ohio State game and then just fell right back off while Davis has stayed up.


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[BGVille Hoosierfan]

We’re getting run out of our home court as our coach chews his gum. So can the trolls in this topic please come back and explain how everything is better now 

Maryland could shoot from half court backwards with their eyes closed and still make it. Not a lot you can do when a team is shooting like this.


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[Brass Cannon]

Just now, jbell833 said:

Maryland could shoot from half court backwards with their eyes closed and still make it. Not a lot you can do when a team is shooting like this.


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Except most teams shoot like this against us

[JSHoosier]

Just now, jbell833 said:

Maryland could shoot from half court backwards with their eyes closed and still make it. Not a lot you can do when a team is shooting like this.


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An effort to guard someone is a start.  Many of their shots have been wide open.

[Brass Cannon]

Archie made a pretty good adjustment after 12 minutes. It took him 12 minutes and a double digit deficit to make a basic adjustment 

[NOLA Hoosier]

Just checking in. About to get lit up in here.

[HoosierKnight]

Just checking in. About to get lit up in here.

It shouldn’t. Archie didn’t make Jerome throw the ball to the other team. Or make Trayce miss a layup.


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[NOLA Hoosier]

Just now, Drew L said:

It shouldn’t. Archie didn’t make Jerome throw the ball to the other team. Or make Trayce miss a layup.


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Totally agree it shouldn’t, but after every loss they’re bound to come out of the woodwork 

[Brass Cannon]

Failed to show up for 10+ minutes - Check 

Blew the game by having the wrong personnel - Check

Archie failing to hold people accountable - - Double check 

[Brass Cannon]

1 minute ago, Drew L said:

It shouldn’t. Archie didn’t make Jerome throw the ball to the other team. Or make Trayce miss a layup.


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He didn’t make an adjustment for 12 minutes then had the black hole in to finish a close game. 

[SlamaJamaSisley]

1 hour ago, Brass Cannon said:

He didn’t make an adjustment for 12 minutes then had the black hole in to finish a close game. 

So now we are hating on players?  Come on man!

[Stuhoo]

So glad we have this thread. Forum rules apply, but going here after a loss is done at some risk to one's mental health IMO.

 

[coonhounds]

So now we are hating on players?  Come on man!

Which player is the black hole I am not familiar? I thought he was talking about lineup lol

 

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[Feathery]

1 minute ago, coonhounds said:

Which player is the black hole I am not familiar? I thought he was talking about lineup lol

 

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