Uspshoosier Posted January 17, 2023 Author Posted January 17, 2023 2 minutes ago, IU_FanClub said: I just think it’s completely asinine to have Maryland right there Strong overall SOS with wins over Ohio St and Illinois at home and neutral against Miami is driving their resume. I have them ahead of IU also Quote
IUHoosierJoe Posted January 17, 2023 Posted January 17, 2023 3 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said: Strong overall SOS with wins over Ohio St and Illinois at home and neutral against Miami is driving their resume. I have them ahead of IU also I’ve got Indiana in as a 12 seed (#47) and Maryland well out (#62). Quote
Loaded Chicken Sandwich Posted January 17, 2023 Posted January 17, 2023 I'm not sure if there is a women's bracketology spot, but ESPNs bracketologist has us as a 1 seed right now. southsidehoosier, HoosierHoopster and Class of '66 Old Fart 3 Quote
Uspshoosier Posted January 17, 2023 Author Posted January 17, 2023 https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2023/team-net-sheet?team=Indiana https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2023/team-net-sheet?team=Maryland Quote
IUHoosierJoe Posted January 17, 2023 Posted January 17, 2023 18 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said: https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2023/team-net-sheet?team=Indiana https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2023/team-net-sheet?team=Maryland You may notice the NET rankings have Indiana 32 and Maryland 52. Mine are also computer generated but I put more weight on the result-based side than the NET does. I actually put equal weight on result-based and predictive, so mine are nearly identical to Sagarin’s old version in which he used pure points and elo chess. The committee used to rely on that old version of Sagarin’s rankings very heavily. Quote
Uspshoosier Posted January 17, 2023 Author Posted January 17, 2023 19 minutes ago, IUHoosierJoe said: You may notice the NET rankings have Indiana 32 and Maryland 52. Mine are also computer generated but I put more weight on the result-based side than the NET does. I actually put equal weight on result-based and predictive, so mine are nearly identical to Sagarin’s old version in which he used pure points and elo chess. The committee used to rely on that old version of Sagarin’s rankings very heavily. A teams overall NET number is used as a sorting tool. The numbers within the team sheet are what matter the most. Teams with NETs in the 30s have been left out because once committee dug into the team sheet they found their resume wasn’t good. Committee relied on RPI the most before they switched to NET. During my mock selection I attended during RPI days Sagarin was just another tool members could use but it wasn’t a set criteria like the RPI was Quote
IUHoosierJoe Posted January 17, 2023 Posted January 17, 2023 2 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said: A teams overall NET number is used as a sorting tool. The numbers within the team sheet are what matter the most. Teams with NETs in the 30s have been left out because once committee dug into the team sheet they found their resume wasn’t good. Committee relied on RPI the most before they switched to NET. During my mock selection I attended during RPI days Sagarin was just another tool members could use but it wasn’t a set criteria like the RPI was I realize that. There are no “set criteria.” They have criteria until they don’t. For instance, they look at “total body of work” until they want to take a team like Rutgers last year and ignore their bad losses. They have the NET, but it does not line up with the seeding because it weighs the predictive side too much. You don’t even need to dig into the sheet much, just weigh the result-based metric more than the NET does. With the RPI, there was no predictive side at all, so it wasn’t a set criteria either. They’re never going to put anything out there that gives away the whole field, because they want to leave themselves the flexibility to pick who they want. But Sagarin’s old ratings, before he changed his formula, was a really good predictor of the field and fairly good on seedlings, outside of, again, your teams like Rutgers last year getting in. Quote
RaceToTheTop Posted January 18, 2023 Posted January 18, 2023 On 1/17/2023 at 12:02 PM, Uspshoosier said: Strong overall SOS with wins over Ohio St and Illinois at home and neutral against Miami is driving their resume. I have them ahead of IU also My WAR rankings have Maryland barely ahead of IU as well. Maryland with a WAR of +0.48 and ranked 49th, IU at +0.13 and 53rd. Quote
IU_FanClub Posted January 19, 2023 Posted January 19, 2023 Lunardi bumped us up to a 9, Bracket Matrix has us averaged out at 9.40, https://www.teamrankings.com/ncaa-basketball/team/indiana-hoosiers/bracketology has us at 80% chance right now Curious where we would be with a win tonight ALASKA HOOSIER and lillurk 2 Quote
Uspshoosier Posted January 19, 2023 Author Posted January 19, 2023 11 minutes ago, IU_FanClub said: Lunardi bumped us up to a 9, Bracket Matrix has us averaged out at 9.40, https://www.teamrankings.com/ncaa-basketball/team/indiana-hoosiers/bracketology has us at 80% chance right now Curious where we would be with a win tonight That would depend on what others around IU does as well. I got them in the low 8 to 9 range. Getting another top NET 25 road win would be worth a seed line for me or at least they would move in the right direction on the seed list Quote
Uspshoosier Posted January 20, 2023 Author Posted January 20, 2023 1 minute ago, Uspshoosier said: IU jumped to 23 in the NET Illinois and IU basically just switched spots in the NET Quote
southsidehoosier Posted January 20, 2023 Posted January 20, 2023 21 hours ago, IU_FanClub said: Lunardi bumped us up to a 9, Bracket Matrix has us averaged out at 9.40, https://www.teamrankings.com/ncaa-basketball/team/indiana-hoosiers/bracketology has us at 80% chance right now Curious where we would be with a win tonight Yeah have to believe we’re no worse than an 8. OSU still showing ahead of us on bracket matrix ALASKA HOOSIER 1 Quote
HoosierHoopster Posted January 20, 2023 Posted January 20, 2023 Think it's worth noting that we've played 6 road conference games -- only Nebraska has played more. We're 2-4 on the road. We'll climb up the standings, question is just how much. Stuhoo 1 Quote
hoosierdogg Posted January 20, 2023 Posted January 20, 2023 15 minutes ago, HoosierHoopster said: Think it's worth noting that we've played 6 road conference games -- only Nebraska has played more. We're 2-4 on the road. We'll climb up the standings, question is just how much. Nebraska, Northwestern and Wisconsin were home games, while Rutgers, Iowa, Penn State and Illinois were road games, so 2-1 in home games, 1-3 in road games. Quote
southsidehoosier Posted January 20, 2023 Posted January 20, 2023 Mike Decoury might be worse than Lunardi Quote
LIHoosier Posted January 20, 2023 Posted January 20, 2023 Mike Decoury might be worse than LunardiThe difference is I believe Mike knows he's not the best, money's money. Morrie actually thinks he's good!?!Sent from my SM-S901U using Tapatalk lillurk 1 Quote
Uspshoosier Posted January 20, 2023 Author Posted January 20, 2023 33 minutes ago, LIHoosier said: The difference is I believe Mike knows he's not the best, money's money. Morrie actually thinks he's good!?! Sent from my SM-S901U using Tapatalk Mike is still relatively new at bracketology. He has only been doing it for a couple years. Fox had the Schwab(guy from espn game show) doing it their first year back covering the sport and he was awful. I’m guessing they asked Mike to do it after that. I’ve interacted with him on Twitter and at some high schools games and have talked about him getting into it. With that said 0 chance should of been out of his projections Quote
Scotty R Posted January 20, 2023 Posted January 20, 2023 2 hours ago, HoosierHoopster said: Think it's worth noting that we've played 6 road conference games -- only Nebraska has played more. We're 2-4 on the road. We'll climb up the standings, question is just how much. I think you are looking overall road record and not conference record Quote
HoosierHoopster Posted January 20, 2023 Posted January 20, 2023 17 minutes ago, Scotty R said: I think you are looking overall road record and not conference record Yes I don't know why I typed conference, of course we're 3-4 in conference, that said we've still played 6 away games and in conf 3 of our 4 losses were away. Now we have MSU, @ Minn, and OSU coming, real shot at 3-0 southsidehoosier 1 Quote
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