Bracketology and Team Resumes

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Bracketville still has Rutgers in the field….I don’t see it.  

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9 minutes ago, brumdog45 said:

Bracketville still has Rutgers in the field….I don’t see it.  

6 wins against the projected field is hard to ignore and maybe 7 depending on Michigan.   Road win at Wisky.  Tough resume to place.   Losses to Umass and Lafayette stick out.   They would be safely in without those but since it’s entire body of work it’s why they are on the cut line.   
 

IU /Rutgers is a classic late season game between bubble teams that could be an elimination game.  

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22 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

6 wins against the projected field is hard to ignore and maybe 7 depending on Michigan.   Road win at Wisky.  Tough resume to place.   Losses to Umass and Lafayette stick out.   They would be safely in without those but since it’s entire body of work it’s why they are on the cut line.   
 

IU /Rutgers is a classic late season game between bubble teams that could be an elimination game.  

I thought the same thing.  We have to take care of Minnesota first to be able to set the stage for that one.  I am glad it’s at Assembly Hall!  I hope we match Rutgers energy, because they will bring it, but the crowd in Assembly Hall should help!

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21 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

6 wins against the projected field is hard to ignore and maybe 7 depending on Michigan.   Road win at Wisky.  Tough resume to place.   Losses to Umass and Lafayette stick out.   They would be safely in without those but since it’s entire body of work it’s why they are on the cut line.   
 

IU /Rutgers is a classic late season game between bubble teams that could be an elimination game.  

I get that.....but a NET in the 80s, POM at 76 and a non-conference POM SOS of 357 and a 16-12 record combined with an overall losing record against quad 1-3 is really hard to ignore as well.  If a team hosts them and loses, it is a quad three loss.....I'd say that's not really the mark of a tournament team.  7 losses against teams most definitely not in the field isn't a good look, IMO.

One bit of food for thought is how Rutgers fared the second time they played teams in the Big Ten:

Illinois:  lost first, won second

Purdue:  won first, lost second

Michigan:  won first, lost second

Maryland:  won first, lost second

Wisconsin:  won first, lost second

Nebraska: won first, won second

First matchup: 5-1, second matchup 2-4

 

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7 minutes ago, brumdog45 said:

I get that.....but a NET in the 80s, POM at 76 and a non-conference POM SOS of 357 and a 16-12 record combined with an overall losing record against quad 1-3 is really hard to ignore as well.  If a team hosts them and loses, it is a quad three loss.....I'd say that's not really the mark of a tournament team.  7 losses against teams most definitely not in the field isn't a good look, IMO.

One bit of food for thought is how Rutgers fared the second time they played teams in the Big Ten:

Illinois:  lost first, won second

Purdue:  won first, lost second

Michigan:  won first, lost second

Maryland:  won first, lost second

Wisconsin:  won first, lost second

Nebraska: won first, won second

First matchup: 5-1, second matchup 2-4

 

Yep not pretty that’s why they are on the cut line with 7 possible wins against the field.   Net non con is 298 which isn’t great but better then 357 

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54 minutes ago, brumdog45 said:

Bracketville still has Rutgers in the field….I don’t see it.  

Bardo said during the game yesterday that he felt they were "comfortably in." Ok. 

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38 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

6 wins against the projected field is hard to ignore and maybe 7 depending on Michigan.   Road win at Wisky.  Tough resume to place.   Losses to Umass and Lafayette stick out.   They would be safely in without those but since it’s entire body of work it’s why they are on the cut line.   
 

IU /Rutgers is a classic late season game between bubble teams that could be an elimination game.  

Thoughts on whether Loyola is an at large bid if they don't win their conference tournament?  Think they are cutting it really close.....think their most attractive wins certainly are pretty meh ones (neutral court against San Francisco, at Missouri State).  At best, any loss in the conference tournament would be quad 2.

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4 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Yep not pretty that’s why they are on the cut line with 7 possible wins against the field.   Net non con is 298 which isn’t great but better then 357 

Why is there such a big difference between NET sos and POM?  That part doesn't make sense to me.  POM basically saying its the worst non-conference schedule except 1, NET saying there are 60 or so teams worse.  That's certainly a huge difference.

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3 minutes ago, TheWatShot said:

Bardo said during the game yesterday that he felt they were "comfortably in." Ok. 

Better than Bill Walton, who said that there were 8 teams in the Pac 12 that were in.

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10 minutes ago, brumdog45 said:

Better than Bill Walton, who said that there were 8 teams in the Pac 12 that were in.

Bill Walton can afford the premium weed.

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1 minute ago, Rico said:

Bill Walton can afford the premium weed.

May not be just the good weed but the years of accumulation of bad weed.

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24 minutes ago, brumdog45 said:

Thoughts on whether Loyola is an at large bid if they don't win their conference tournament?  Think they are cutting it really close.....think their most attractive wins certainly are pretty meh ones (neutral court against San Francisco, at Missouri State).  At best, any loss in the conference tournament would be quad 2.

They will be right along the cut line.  If I was them I would at least make it to the championship game.   Going to be close if they don’t win the MVC tourney 

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1 hour ago, brumdog45 said:

Better than Bill Walton, who said that there were 8 teams in the Pac 12 that were in.

I absolutely love watching Walton BECAUSE it’s fun and absurd. But I do wonder if the confusion statements like this cause more casual fans is a good trade for the entertainment.

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1 hour ago, brumdog45 said:

Better than Bill Walton, who said that there were 8 teams in the Pac 12 that were in.

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4 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

I love gifs…..but you do know that there simply aren’t good gifs for every post.

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Interesting that in the WCC tournament bracket Santa Clara got the 3 seed.   This mean San Francisco (4) and BYU(5) will play earlier then expected and will have to play the Zags to each the finals.   That could be an elimination game especially for BYU 

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Loyola ends up with the 4 seed in the MVC tourney 

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5 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Interesting that in the WCC tournament bracket Santa Clara got the 3 seed.   This mean San Francisco (4) and BYU(5) will play earlier then expected and will have to play the Zags to each the finals.   That could be an elimination game especially for BYU 

With the WCC being a week earlier than the P5 tournaments, I would think that there would be a real sense of urgency for each to win (especially BYU).  Last chance to make an argument on the court will come almost two weeks before the P5 tournaments end.

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4 minutes ago, brumdog45 said:

With the WCC being a week earlier than the P5 tournaments, I would think that there would be a real sense of urgency for each to win (especially BYU).  Last chance to make an argument on the court will come almost two weeks before the P5 tournaments end.

Pope for BYU said he has been tried to schedule an extra game and has talked with about 15 teams.  Probably won’t happen but smart of him to try 

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2 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Loyola ends up with the 4 seed in the MVC tourney 

So that would mean to win the tournament they would be guaranteed to need to beat Bradley, then 1 seed Northern Iowa, then unless there are some upsets, either Missouri State or Drake.  I think that would mean that they would have to play three straight teams that have beaten them this year.