Team Chemistry Issues?

[bigrod]

On a different subject, I was listening to POTB this morning. They had Rick Bozich on and he said he was talking to an NBA scout about Langford. He asked the scout if Lagford had hurt himself by coming to Indiana. The scout's response was something like (I'm paraphrasing from memory), No, not at all. He is playing with a G-league player and 3 other players who are likely reserves on most other B1G teams.

Ouch. If that's the case, there's a ways to go...

[ray]

On 2/20/2019 at 10:25 AM, Chris007 said:

Green and Smith are gone. Their blatant disrespect last night is terrible. Green was arguing with all the coaches every time he got taken out. Smith refused to look at or listen to any coach who tried to give him some coaching. His family has filled his head with crap that he should be scoring all of these points when he can't hit a jumper outside 5 feet. They both are so unhappy it is affecting the whole team. 

I should have read this thread first today.

[Uspshoosier]

Mark me down as one of the people who doesn't understand the APR or why it was so bad after Crean left. I thought one of Crean's calling cards was getting his players to class and graduating. I don't understand how ours can be so bad when schools like Duke and Kentucky have a constant revolving door of players.

Players that leave early regardless of transferring or to the nba have to leave the university in good academic standing. As long as they leave and above a 2.6 gpa they are considered in good academic standing. If someone leaves and they are below a 2.6 at the end of the semester they lose a point and the apr number goes down. APR is calculated on a 4 year average. Crean’s last 3 years were 943, 920, and 918 which meant that Archie’s 1st year had very little wiggle room for that 4 year average to fall below 930 which results in a post season ban.


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[mdn82]

Mark me down as one of the people who doesn't understand the APR or why it was so bad after Crean left. I thought one of Crean's calling cards was getting his players to class and graduating. I don't understand how ours can be so bad when schools like Duke and Kentucky have a constant revolving door of players.

It was until his last few seasons. Even though this is Archie’s second season, we haven’t seen his first Academic Progress Report until May of 2019. His should be better. But Creans last couple of years had a lot of transfers and his worst APR. So heading into last year before Archie started at IU he had 3 NLI signed. That is essentially a contract for their first year of scholarship. If they don’t come to IU that would be an issue. If a player already on scholarship drops out before the school year is over is over it hurts the APR. If a student sucks at school it hurts the APR. Now the scholarship from year to year ends and gets renewed in May. In that time a kid can transfer with no issues for both the player and the school. The kid sits out a year and the school is happy. It doesn’t make the school or player bad, it’s just the rules of things. We are in a position where we get postseason bans, scholarship reductions, and practice time cut if we drop much lower.


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[mdn82]

Correct leaving early for the NBA doesn’t hurt a schools APR.


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Correct as long as they complete their courses. Chances are they aren’t doing much class wise in the spring anyway if they are going to the nba.


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[mdn82]

Players that leave early regardless of transferring or to the nba have to leave the university in good academic standing. As long as they leave and above a 2.6 gpa they are considered in good academic standing. If someone leaves and they are below a 2.6 at the end of the semester they lose a point and the apr number goes down. APR is calculated on a 4 year average. Crean’s last 3 years were 943, 920, and 918 which meant that Archie’s 1st year had very little wiggle room for that 4 year average to fall below 930 which results in a post season ban.


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Absolutely. And we won’t hear about Archie’s first year tile this May. Creans worst two years were his last two. Archie had Cujo leave midseason. That’s a ding. He has no wiggle room. You get so many points for each semester. Archie won’t get a 1000 for year one. So next year is the important year (this academic year). That’s why no transfers can happen. Getting those two terrible scores off is huge.


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[IUc2016]

Players that leave early regardless of transferring or to the nba have to leave the university in good academic standing. As long as they leave and above a 2.6 gpa they are considered in good academic standing. If someone leaves and they are below a 2.6 at the end of the semester they lose a point and the apr number goes down. APR is calculated on a 4 year average. Crean’s last 3 years were 943, 920, and 918 which meant that Archie’s 1st year had very little wiggle room for that 4 year average to fall below 930 which results in a post season ban.


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^^^ this is how it has been explained to me. Leaving for NBA or transfer, is the same with regard to APR.

Crean had a lot of players transfer or leave early to go pro the last few years. You can bet that most of them had low GPA’s and it killed the APR. Creaning was bad in multiple ways

[Chris007]

13 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Players that leave early regardless of transferring or to the nba have to leave the university in good academic standing. As long as they leave and above a 2.6 gpa they are considered in good academic standing. If someone leaves and they are below a 2.6 at the end of the semester they lose a point and the apr number goes down. APR is calculated on a 4 year average. Crean’s last 3 years were 943, 920, and 918 which meant that Archie’s 1st year had very little wiggle room for that 4 year average to fall below 930 which results in a post season ban.


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Thank you, that's a very nice explanation of it. I knew someone on here knew how it worked

[Class of '66 Old Fart]

The whole APR issue is serious and I'm not really mocking it, but quite honestly, a post-season ban for this team.  Not much of a penalty is it?

[Str8Hoosiers]

[LIHoosier]

So transfers really bite you in the butt then and with so few players on a basketball roster, anything really more than 1 player/problem absolutely wrecks your APR.

That doesn't still explain why one and dones can leave in good standing and those schools still have 1000 scores.

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[mdn82]

The whole APR issue is serious and I'm not really mocking it, but quite honestly, a post-season ban for this team.  Not much of a penalty is it?

Yeah if it was just that it wouldn’t be the worst thing. Even for a future year. It’s the loss in practice time that will hurt you. You lose like 10 hours per week that strictly goes towards studies and they enforce it. Not too many recruits want that. That hurt UConn worse than the ban.


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[Chris007]

2 minutes ago, LIHoosier said:

So transfers really bite you in the butt then and with so few players on a basketball roster, anything really more than 1 player/problem absolutely wrecks your APR.

That doesn't still explain why one and dones can leave in good standing and those schools still have 1000 scores.

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I think you have to have 3 bad years in a row. One and done doesn't hurt if they leave in good academic standing 2.6 or above after their freshman year. 

[mdn82]

So transfers really bite you in the butt then and with so few players on a basketball roster, anything really more than 1 player/problem absolutely wrecks your APR.

That doesn't still explain why one and dones can leave in good standing and those schools still have 1000 scores.

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Absolutely. They don’t expect you to be perfect. That’s where the rolling 4 year score comes into play. As long as you finish a calendar school year in “good” academic standing you are fine. The GPA is not hard to obtain. In many cases it’s F’s or transfers that get you. We had Crean.


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[Str8Hoosiers]

15 minutes ago, LIHoosier said:

So transfers really bite you in the butt then and with so few players on a basketball roster, anything really more than 1 player/problem absolutely wrecks your APR.

That doesn't still explain why one and dones can leave in good standing and those schools still have 1000 scores.

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Timing is the key.... if you have a Mid-season transfer you are hurt.

It is players on scholarship in the fall being retained through the Spring... if at the end of the Spring they leave (after the season, 1 and done, etc) then it has no bearing. As long as they finish out their classes and get good grades then there is no issue because as mentioned before the scholarships are renewed yearly.

 

And yes the smaller basketball roster does put more emphasis on each player.

If you have 13 on scholarship you can afford 1 person to transfer  (in good standing) or 1 person to not be in good standing and still have a 961 APR but have 2 or have somebody transfer in bad standing and you are already low at 923

[Uspshoosier]

The whole APR issue is serious and I'm not really mocking it, but quite honestly, a post-season ban for this team.  Not much of a penalty is it?

Post season ban would of equaled no chance Romeo comes to IU which could of led to TJD not coming to IU


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[ray]

1 hour ago, bigrod said:

Mark me down as one of the people who doesn't understand the APR or why it was so bad after Crean left. I thought one of Crean's calling cards was getting his players to class and graduating. I don't understand how ours can be so bad when schools like Duke and Kentucky have a constant revolving door of players.

UNC basketball won a national championship shortly after multiple athletes from multiple sports were caught red-handed with transcripts (in their red hands) listing nonexistent courses.

Maybe I just don’t understand the whole APR thing either, bigrod? 

[LIHoosier]

Thanks Str8. What was confusing me was the midseason transfer or dropout. I assumed that applied to end of season transfers as well. Silly me expecting the NCAA to make something clear and sensical.

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[Str8Hoosiers]

4 minutes ago, ray said:

UNC basketball won a national championship shortly after multiple athletes from multiple sports were caught red-handed with transcripts (in their red hands) listing nonexistent courses.

Maybe I just don’t understand the whole APR thing either, bigrod? 

Each sport is separate... so the "multiple sports" aspect doesn't affect the other sports.

And I would assume they all had GREAT grades on those transcripts 

LOL honestly it is maddening to say the least with what they got away with, but it isn't actually an APR issue, they actually were defrauding the APR to circumvent the sanctions that real classes and real grades would have landed them. If there were no APR rules in place UNC wouldn't have worried about making fake classes to ensure their APR scores stayed up.

[IUrocker]

If the cancers from this team are gone next year and they were ones who treated Romeo like crap...any chance he stays next year to play with TJD, Armaan, and Keion (if he comes) and have a more enjoyable, successful experience?